And the Princess Pelosi Flailing Just Keeps On Rolling

[MioMyo]

Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a friend
of the Republican party......

ROFLMFAO...............

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in her
fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize the Bush
administration rather than career officials.

"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the
intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi said in a
statement.

Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to her
about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on terrorism
suspects.

Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.

Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California Democrat,
had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency records show
"CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed,'" according to
CIA records.

"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if that's
not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security
depends on it."

In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and forth
between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials. Republicans
said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career officials doing the
briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the time."

In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi is
under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.

At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her on
the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in 2003 that
terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that from an aide
who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.

Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.

At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.

"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in
the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

[sid9]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363

Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."

All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.

Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee.

How Many Briefings?

Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.

"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in September."

Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
that on three of the four dates there was no
briefing held."

He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
on the topic of detainee interrogation."

Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
told the agency what he had found in his notes.

"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on
the first three of four dates."

Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.

'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'

The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
mentioned during his briefing.

"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive techniques or that they had applied
these against any particular detainees," he says.

Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
Graham puts it another way.

"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."

Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
which was later shown to be flawed.

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power,
it was trying to speak what it thought power
wanted to hear."

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a
breath of fresh air and a friend of the
Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down
slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in her fight with the
CIA, saying that she really meant only to
criticize the Bush administration rather than
career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush
Administration did not appropriately inform
Congress is separate from my respect for those
in the intelligence community who work to keep
our country safe," Pelosi said in a statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she
accused the CIA of lying to her about its use of
waterboarding - which she considers torture - on
terrorism suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA
director, Leon Panetta, challenged her version
of events, insisting that his agency told her
the truth in a controversial September 2002
briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a
fellow California Democrat, had issued a memo to
CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency records
show "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing 'the
enhanced techniques that had been employed,'"
according to CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity,
professionalism and dedication," Panetta said in
the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is -
even if that's not what people always want to
hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends
on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi
had switched back and forth between criticizing
the CIA and Bush administration officials.
Republicans said she was unfairly criticizing
non-political career officials doing the
briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all
the time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of
her speakership, Pelosi is under fire about what
she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
approved by the Bush administration and when she
knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused
the CIA of misleading her on the topic, Pelosi
acknowledged for the first time that she knew in
2003 that terrorism suspects were waterboarded.
She said she learned that from an aide who sat
in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for
criticizing techniques as "torture" when she
tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept.
11 terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve
King (R-Iowa) - called on Pelosi Friday to step
down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question
why she didn't push back harder against the Bush
administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information
disclosed in a classified briefing. Asked why
she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep.
Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the
briefing with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy, Pelosi
said any objection would have done little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on
May 14 at a news conference. "It was clear we
had to change the leadership in Congress and in
the White House. That was my job, the Congress
part."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363

Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."

All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.

Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee.

How Many Briefings?

Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.

"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in September."

Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
that on three of the four dates there was no
briefing held."

He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
on the topic of detainee interrogation."

Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
told the agency what he had found in his notes.

"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on
the first three of four dates."

Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.

'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'

The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
mentioned during his briefing.

"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive techniques or that they had applied
these against any particular detainees," he says.

Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
Graham puts it another way.

"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."

Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
which was later shown to be flawed.

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power,
it was trying to speak what it thought power
wanted to hear."

[MioMyo]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall

Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth

CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.

His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the
key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That
is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in
response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from
September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had
been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the
evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."

In some ways, Panetta is doing what any executive would do: He's protecting
his people and trying to boost morale for an agency that's under fire. But
the political message is much stronger, as you have the a serious rift now
between the most powerful congressional Democrat and one of the top
officials in the Obama administration.

UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a gentle statement supporting the
work of the intelligence community, saying she was criticizing the Bush
administration, not the bureaucrats at the CIA:

"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the
intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and security
of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the Bush
Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my
respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country
safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment to ensuring
the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises its oversight
responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move forward."

The full Panetta memo is after the jump.

Message from the Director: Turning Down the Volume

There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our
business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will be
around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about interrogation
reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was accused of misleading
Congress.

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That
is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in
response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from
September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had
been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the
evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is straightforward: ignore the
noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be
distracted from our job of protecting this country.

We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our
task is to tell it like it is - even if that's not what people always want
to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it thought
power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while
Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the CIA
and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells Robert
Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what he
had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of four
dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the briefing
in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it another
way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a
week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led in
2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
what it thought power wanted to hear."

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a
friend of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in
her fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize
the Bush administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in
the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi
said in a statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to her
about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on
terrorism suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California
Democrat, had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency
records show "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu
Zubaydah, describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed,'"
according to CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if
that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national
security depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and forth
between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials.
Republicans said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career
officials doing the briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the
time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi
is under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her
on the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in
2003 that terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that
from an aide who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike
Sheehy, Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and
in the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

[CB]

That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.
Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully
on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all
the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."
In some ways, Panetta is doing what any executive would do: He's
protecting his people and trying to boost morale for an agency that's
under fire. But the political message is much stronger, as you have the a
serious rift now between the most powerful congressional Democrat and one
of the top officials in the Obama administration.
UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a gentle statement supporting
the work of the intelligence community, saying she was criticizing the
"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the
intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and security
of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the Bush
Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my
respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our
country safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment to
ensuring the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises its
oversight responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move
forward."
The full Panetta memo is after the jump.
Message from the Director: Turning Down the Volume
There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our
business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will
be around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about
interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was
accused of misleading Congress.
Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully
on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all
the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.
My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is straightforward: ignore the
noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be
distracted from our job of protecting this country.
We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our
task is to tell it like it is - even if that's not what people always want
to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it
thought power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the
time. Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
while Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the
CIA and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in
September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what
he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of
four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the
briefing in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham,
like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it another
way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a
week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led in
2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
what it thought power wanted to hear."

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a
friend of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in
her fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize
the Bush administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in
the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi
said in a statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to
her about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on
terrorism suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California
Democrat, had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency
records show "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of
Abu Zubaydah, describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been
employed,'" according to CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if
that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national
security depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and
forth between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials.
Republicans said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career
officials doing the briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the
time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi
is under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation
techniques approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her
on the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in
2003 that terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned
that from an aide who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike
Sheehy, Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress
and in the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

[MioMyo]

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch who
knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........

Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

Post by CB

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.
Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully
on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all
the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."
In some ways, Panetta is doing what any executive would do: He's
protecting his people and trying to boost morale for an agency that's
under fire. But the political message is much stronger, as you have the a
serious rift now between the most powerful congressional Democrat and one
of the top officials in the Obama administration.
UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a gentle statement supporting
the work of the intelligence community, saying she was criticizing the
"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the
intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and
security of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the
Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate
from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep
our country safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment
to ensuring the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises
its oversight responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move
forward."
The full Panetta memo is after the jump.
Message from the Director: Turning Down the Volume
There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of
our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it
will be around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about
interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was
accused of misleading Congress.
Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully
on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all
the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.
My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is straightforward: ignore the
noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be
distracted from our job of protecting this country.
We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our
task is to tell it like it is - even if that's not what people always
want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being
led in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following
the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it
thought power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the
time. Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
while Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily
log that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the
CIA and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in
September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what
he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of
four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the
briefing in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham,
like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it
another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within
a week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
what it thought power wanted to hear."

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a
friend of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS]
in her fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to
criticize the Bush administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in
the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi
said in a statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to
her about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on
terrorism suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her
the truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California
Democrat, had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency
records show "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of
Abu Zubaydah, describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been
employed,'" according to CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if
that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national
security depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and
forth between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials.
Republicans said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career
officials doing the briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the
time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi
is under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation
techniques approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her
on the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in
2003 that terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned
that from an aide who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push
back harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself
for not speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a
classified briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by
Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide
Mike Sheehy, Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress
and in the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

[BushCo Torture]

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture, Patriot
Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

[MioMyo]

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......

waiting......

[sid9]

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess
Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch who knows
nothing EXCEPT scorched earth
politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her
means is getting ready to scorch her ass all
the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush
ordered the torture, Patriot Act forbids Pelosi
and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained
to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is
unless you can show where I advocated the lying
bitch princess pelosi divulge classified
intel......
waiting......

She cannot be lying.

There is corroboration of her statements in
contemporaneous notes taken by Bob Graham.
It would appear that there are some CIA people
protecting Cheney's ass.

I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes
out about this story.




http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363

Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."

All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.

Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee.

How Many Briefings?

Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.

"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in September."

Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
that on three of the four dates there was no
briefing held."

He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
on the topic of detainee interrogation."

Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
told the agency what he had found in his notes.

"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on
the first three of four dates."

Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.

'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'

The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
mentioned during his briefing.

"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive techniques or that they had applied
these against any particular detainees," he says.

Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
Graham puts it another way.

"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."

Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
which was later shown to be flawed.

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power,
it was trying to speak what it thought power
wanted to hear."

[MioMyo]

Post by sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready
to scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......
waiting......

She cannot be lying.
There is corroboration of her statements in contemporaneous notes taken by
Bob Graham.
It would appear that there are some CIA people protecting Cheney's ass.
I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes out about this story.

Suggest what you will, libtard; however, Leon Panetta along with the CIA SAY
she's a Lying Bitch.....

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth

CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.

His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the
key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That
is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in
response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from
September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had
been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the
evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."

In some ways, Panetta is doing what any executive would do: He's protecting
his people and trying to boost morale for an agency that's under fire. But
the political message is much stronger, as you have the a serious rift now
between the most powerful congressional Democrat and one of the top
officials in the Obama administration.

UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a gentle statement supporting the
work of the intelligence community, saying she was criticizing the Bush
administration, not the bureaucrats at the CIA:

"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the
intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and security
of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the Bush
Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my
respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country
safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment to ensuring
the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises its oversight
responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move forward."

There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our
business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will be
around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about interrogation
reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was accused of misleading
Congress.

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That
is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in
response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from
September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had
been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the
evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is straightforward: ignore the
noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be
distracted from our job of protecting this country.

We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our
task is to tell it like it is - even if that's not what people always want
to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it thought
power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while
Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the CIA
and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells Robert
Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what he
had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of four
dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the briefing
in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it another
way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a
week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led in
2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
what it thought power wanted to hear."

[sid9]

Post by MioMyo

Post by sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess
Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch who knows
nothing EXCEPT scorched earth
politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies
her means is getting ready to scorch her ass
all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either?
Bush ordered the torture, Patriot Act forbids
Pelosi and others from divulging classified
info.
What part of that do you need to be explained
to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is
unless you can show where I advocated the
lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified
intel......
waiting......

She cannot be lying.
There is corroboration of her statements in
contemporaneous notes taken by Bob Graham.
It would appear that there are some CIA people
protecting Cheney's ass.
I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes
out about this story.

Suggest what you will, libtard; however, Leon
Panetta along with the CIA SAY she's a Lying
Bitch.....

Panetta's staff is lying to him.
He's new on the job and needs to establish rapport
with his staff
He will be firing people soon.

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the
truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern
message to his employees defending the agency
against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay
focused on your job.
Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or
practice to mislead Congress. That is against
our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional
inquiries, our contemporaneous records from
September 2002 indicate that CIA officers
briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu
Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to
Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach
its own conclusions about what happened."
In some ways, Panetta is doing what any
executive would do: He's protecting his people
and trying to boost morale for an agency that's
under fire. But the political message is much
stronger, as you have the a serious rift now
between the most powerful congressional Democrat
and one of the top officials in the Obama
administration.
UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a
gentle statement supporting the work of the
intelligence community, saying she was
criticizing the Bush administration, not the
"We all share great respect for the dedicated
men and women of the intelligence community who
are deeply committed to the safety and security
of the American people. My criticism of the
manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from
my respect for those in the intelligence
community who work to keep our country safe.
What is important now is to be united in our
commitment to ensuring the security of our
country; that, and how Congress exercises its
oversight responsibilities, will continue to be
my focus as we move forward."
There is a long tradition in Washington of
making political hay out of our business. It
predates my service with this great institution,
and it will be around long after I'm gone. But
the political debates about interrogation
reached a new decibel level yesterday when the
CIA was accused of misleading Congress.
Let me be clear: It is not our policy or
practice to mislead Congress. That is against
our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional
inquiries, our contemporaneous records from
September 2002 indicate that CIA officers
briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu
Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to
Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach
its own conclusions about what happened.
My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is
straightforward: ignore the noise and stay
focused on your mission. We have too much work
to do to be distracted from our job of
protecting this country.
We are an Agency of high integrity,
professionalism, and dedication. Our task is to
tell it like it is - even if that's not what
people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our
national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of
the CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it
had become an agency that instead of following
the admonition to speak truth to power, it was
trying to speak what it thought power wanted to
hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham
of Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version
of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, while Pelosi was the
top Democrat on the House Intelligence
Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and
has maintained a daily log that fills hundreds
of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida
History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham
tells Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in
April of '02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and
determined that on three of the four dates
there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was
a briefing held and, according to my notes, it
was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when
he told the agency what he had found in his
notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'"
Graham recalled. "When they finally did a few
days later, they indicated that I was correct.
Their information was in error. There was no
briefing on the first three of four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about
three weeks after the briefing in which the CIA
says it told Pelosi about the use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as
simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his
briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding,
other excessive techniques or that they had
applied these against any particular
detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the
CIA. Graham puts it another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised
me or has subsequently proven to be incorrect,"
he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept.
27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National
Intelligence Estimate of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to
be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002," Graham says.
"I think it had become an agency that instead
of following the admonition to speak truth to
power, it was trying to speak what it thought
power wanted to hear."

[MioMyo]

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Post by MioMyo

Post by sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan
Bitch who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready
to scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where
I advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified
intel......
waiting......

She cannot be lying.
There is corroboration of her statements in contemporaneous notes taken
by Bob Graham.
It would appear that there are some CIA people protecting Cheney's ass.
I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes out about this story.

Suggest what you will, libtard; however, Leon Panetta along with the CIA
SAY she's a Lying Bitch.....

Panetta's staff is lying to him.
He's new on the job and needs to establish rapport with his staff
He will be firing people soon.

What else would you say?

Let's see, everyone is lying except the imperial princess pelosi... Of
COURSE, That's Got To Be IT!

I noticed you FAILED to provide any citation for your claims libtard... aka
YOU F_CKING LIAR......

Post by sid9

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.
Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully
on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all
the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."
In some ways, Panetta is doing what any executive would do: He's
protecting his people and trying to boost morale for an agency that's
under fire. But the political message is much stronger, as you have the a
serious rift now between the most powerful congressional Democrat and one
of the top officials in the Obama administration.
UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a gentle statement supporting
the work of the intelligence community, saying she was criticizing the
"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the
intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and
security of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the
Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate
from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep
our country safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment
to ensuring the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises
its oversight responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move
forward."
There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of
our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it
will be around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about
interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was
accused of misleading Congress.
Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully
on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques
that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all
the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.
My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is straightforward: ignore the
noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be
distracted from our job of protecting this country.
We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our
task is to tell it like it is - even if that's not what people always
want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being
led in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following
the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it
thought power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the
time. Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
while Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily
log that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the
CIA and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in
September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what
he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of
four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the
briefing in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham,
like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it
another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within
a week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
what it thought power wanted to hear."

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

Post by MioMyo
Let's see, everyone is lying except the imperial princess pelosi... Of
COURSE, That's Got To Be IT!
I noticed you FAILED to provide any citation for your claims libtard...
aka YOU F_CKING LIAR......

What an asshole.

[Frank Pittel]

In alt.politics.usa.republican sid9 <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

: "MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote in
: message
: news:b_EPl.16355$***@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
: >
: > "sid9" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: > news:***@giganews.com...
: >>
: >> "MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote in
: >> message
: >> news:ouEPl.16345$***@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
: >>>
: >>> "BushCo Torture" <W. ***@ussrTexas.net>
: >>> wrote in message
: >>> news:OpDPl.7174$***@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
: >>>>
: >>>> "MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote in
: >>>> message
: >>>> news:VaDPl.29913$***@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
: >>>>>
: >>>>> "CB" <***@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
: >>>>> news:4a0efd47$0$7885$***@unlimited.newshosting.com...
: >>>>>> That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...
: >>>>>
: >>>>> The bottom line is the Imperial Princess
: >>>>> Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch who knows
: >>>>> nothing EXCEPT scorched earth
: >>>>> politicking........
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies
: >>>>> her means is getting ready to scorch her ass
: >>>>> all the way back to the Bronx.....
: >>>>
: >>>> So truth isn't your strong point either?
: >>>> Bush ordered the torture, Patriot Act forbids
: >>>> Pelosi and others from divulging classified
: >>>> info.
: >>>> What part of that do you need to be explained
: >>>> to you?
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is
: >>> unless you can show where I advocated the
: >>> lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified
: >>> intel......
: >>>
: >>> waiting......
: >>
: >>
: >> She cannot be lying.
: >>
: >> There is corroboration of her statements in
: >> contemporaneous notes taken by Bob Graham.
: >> It would appear that there are some CIA people
: >> protecting Cheney's ass.
: >>
: >> I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes
: >> out about this story.
: >
: > Suggest what you will, libtard; however, Leon
: > Panetta along with the CIA SAY she's a Lying
: > Bitch.....



: Panetta's staff is lying to him.
: He's new on the job and needs to establish rapport
: with his staff

Your credible proof to support this claim is..............????

: He will be firing people soon.

He's not marching lockstep with the looney tune brain dead lying
fascist loser lib dems. If he's not careful he'll not only be fired,
but he'll be arrested as well.

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

"MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote in message news:b_EPl.16355$***@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...

On any given day you tell hundreds of lies more than Pelosi.

[MioMyo]

Post by MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT
On any given day you tell hundreds of lies more than Pelosi.

Ah, poor baby. I could either kick harder or put a larger boot on satisfying
your needs to have it up your ass just little bit farther....

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

Post by MioMyo

Post by MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT
On any given day you tell hundreds of lies more than Pelosi.

Ah, poor baby. I could either kick harder or put a larger boot on
satisfying your needs to have it up your ass just little bit farther....

Considering the fact that you are a moron, inept american, impotent little
girl, coward, big talker, I doubt anything coming out of your mouth has any
factual basis.

[CB]

Bob Graham's notes are not the official record as the minutes be...duh

Post by sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready
to scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......
waiting......

She cannot be lying.
There is corroboration of her statements in contemporaneous notes taken by
Bob Graham.
It would appear that there are some CIA people protecting Cheney's ass.
I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes out about this story.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it thought
power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while
Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the CIA
and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells Robert
Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what he
had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of four
dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the briefing
in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it another
way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a
week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led in
2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
what it thought power wanted to hear."

[sid9]

It figures.
You don't understand the significance of his
notes.

Post by CB
Bob Graham's notes are not the official record
as the minutes be...duh

Post by sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess
Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch who knows
nothing EXCEPT scorched earth
politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies
her means is getting ready to scorch her ass
all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either?
Bush ordered the torture, Patriot Act forbids
Pelosi and others from divulging classified
info.
What part of that do you need to be explained
to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is
unless you can show where I advocated the
lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified
intel......
waiting......

She cannot be lying.
There is corroboration of her statements in
contemporaneous notes taken by Bob Graham.
It would appear that there are some CIA people
protecting Cheney's ass.
I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes
out about this story.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of
the CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it
had become an agency that instead of following
the admonition to speak truth to power, it was
trying to speak what it thought power wanted to
hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham
of Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version
of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, while Pelosi was the
top Democrat on the House Intelligence
Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and
has maintained a daily log that fills hundreds
of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida
History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham
tells Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in
April of '02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and
determined that on three of the four dates
there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was
a briefing held and, according to my notes, it
was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when
he told the agency what he had found in his
notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'"
Graham recalled. "When they finally did a few
days later, they indicated that I was correct.
Their information was in error. There was no
briefing on the first three of four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about
three weeks after the briefing in which the CIA
says it told Pelosi about the use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as
simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his
briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding,
other excessive techniques or that they had
applied these against any particular
detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the
CIA. Graham puts it another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised
me or has subsequently proven to be incorrect,"
he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept.
27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National
Intelligence Estimate of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to
be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002," Graham says.
"I think it had become an agency that instead
of following the admonition to speak truth to
power, it was trying to speak what it thought
power wanted to hear."

[Frank Pittel]

In alt.politics.usa.republican CB <***@prayforme.com> wrote:
: Bob Graham's notes are not the official record as the minutes be...duh

He's also just another looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser lib dem
trying to protect one of his fellow looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser
lib dems. He has zero credibility.


: "sid9" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: news:***@giganews.com...
: >
: > "MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
: > news:ouEPl.16345$***@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
: >>
: >> "BushCo Torture" <W. ***@ussrTexas.net> wrote in message
: >> news:OpDPl.7174$***@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
: >>>
: >>> "MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
: >>> news:VaDPl.29913$***@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
: >>>>
: >>>> "CB" <***@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
: >>>> news:4a0efd47$0$7885$***@unlimited.newshosting.com...
: >>>>> That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...
: >>>>
: >>>> The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
: >>>> who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
: >>>>
: >>>> Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready
: >>>> to scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....
: >>>
: >>> So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
: >>> Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
: >>> What part of that do you need to be explained to you?
: >>
: >>
: >> Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
: >> advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......
: >>
: >> waiting......
: >
: >
: > She cannot be lying.
: >
: > There is corroboration of her statements in contemporaneous notes taken by
: > Bob Graham.
: > It would appear that there are some CIA people protecting Cheney's ass.
: >
: > I suggest you reserve judgment until more comes out about this story.
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: >
: > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: >
: > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
: > in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following the
: > admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it thought
: > power wanted to hear."
: >
: > All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 ? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
: > accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding
: > during the Bush administration.
: >
: > Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
: > disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the time.
: > Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while
: > Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
: >
: > How Many Briefings?
: >
: > Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
: > that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
: > University of Florida Library of Florida History.
: >
: > "Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the CIA
: > and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells Robert
: > Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in September."
: >
: > Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
: > four dates there was no briefing held."
: >
: > He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
: > according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
: >
: > Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what he
: > had found in his notes.
: >
: > "They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
: > finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
: > information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of four
: > dates."
: >
: > Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
: > with the other dates.
: >
: > 'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
: >
: > The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the briefing
: > in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
: > technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
: > waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
: >
: > "There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or
: > that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
: >
: > Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it another
: > way.
: >
: > "Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
: > proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
: > commission."
: >
: > Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a
: > week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
: > Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
: > mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
: >
: > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led in
: > 2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
: > following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak
: > what it thought power wanted to hear."
: >

[RichTravsky]

Post by Frank Pittel
: Bob Graham's notes are not the official record as the minutes be...duh
He's also just another looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser lib dem
trying to protect one of his fellow looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser
lib dems. He has zero credibility.

So Graham had a time machine and went back and made those notes after
the fact? HAHAHAHHA

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by RichTravsky

Post by Frank Pittel
: Bob Graham's notes are not the official record as the
minutes
: be...duh
He's also just another looney tune brain dead lying
fascist loser
lib dem trying to protect one of his fellow looney tune
brain dead
lying fascist loser lib dems. He has zero credibility.

So Graham had a time machine and went back and made those
notes after
the fact? HAHAHAHHA

It's the same time machine that Obama used to go back to
1961 and put his birth announcements into the Honolulu
newspapers.

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......
waiting......

Pelosi was NOT speaker when Bush began torture. Hastert was.
What part of that do you need explained to you?

[MioMyo]

Post by MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready
to scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......
waiting......

Pelosi was NOT speaker when Bush began torture. Hastert was.
What part of that do you need explained to you?

So, what's your point?

Furthermore, how does your convoluted thinking exonerate the Imperial
Princess Pelosi from being a lying bitch since there's no more doubt that
she had FIRST HAND knowledge of Enhanced Interrogations (her definition of
torture) in 2003??

What part of that do you need explained to you?

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

Post by MioMyo

Post by MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan
Bitch who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready
to scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture,
Patriot Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where
I advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified
intel......
waiting......

Pelosi was NOT speaker when Bush began torture. Hastert was.
What part of that do you need explained to you?

So, what's your point?
Furthermore, how does your convoluted thinking exonerate the Imperial
Princess Pelosi from being a lying bitch since there's no more doubt that
she had FIRST HAND knowledge of Enhanced Interrogations (her definition of
torture) in 2003??
What part of that do you need explained to you?

The only Imperial Princess I've ever seen in the WH was Nancy Reagan, if you
don't count George Bush <guffaw>.

[US Army Veteran]

Post by MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT

Post by MioMyo

Post by BushCo Torture

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch who
knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

So truth isn't your strong point either? Bush ordered the torture, Patriot
Act forbids Pelosi and others from divulging classified info.
What part of that do you need to be explained to you?

Lying does seem to be your ONLY point that is unless you can show where I
advocated the lying bitch princess pelosi divulge classified intel......
waiting......

Pelosi was NOT speaker when Bush began torture. Hastert was.
What part of that do you need explained to you?

Perhaps Needham and Charlie Barta should start here:

http://www.kids.gov/

[CB]

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

Nothing will come of it.

The Sunday talk shows will show her as a lying bitch as she 'is' but as time
wears on...

The only way she'll be held accountable for her lies is for Republicans to
offer a bill to impeach her. That 'is', after a (sic) blue ribbon commission
investigates. That means for Congress to produce the official
recorded/minutes of all Pelosi briefings , not 'notes' that Bill McCollum
allegedly took.

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.
Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's
"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed
truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the
enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to
Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions
about what happened."
In some ways, Panetta is doing what any executive would do: He's
protecting his people and trying to boost morale for an agency that's
under fire. But the political message is much stronger, as you have the
a serious rift now between the most powerful congressional Democrat and
one of the top officials in the Obama administration.
UPDATE: Pelosi's office has responded with a gentle statement supporting
the work of the intelligence community, saying she was criticizing the
"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the
intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and
security of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the
Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate
from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep
our country safe. What is important now is to be united in our
commitment to ensuring the security of our country; that, and how
Congress exercises its oversight responsibilities, will continue to be
my focus as we move forward."
The full Panetta memo is after the jump.
Message from the Director: Turning Down the Volume
There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of
our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it
will be around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about
interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was
accused of misleading Congress.
Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress.
That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated
previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous
records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed
truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the
enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to
Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions
about what happened.
My advice - indeed, my direction - to you is straightforward: ignore the
noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to
be distracted from our job of protecting this country.
We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our
task is to tell it like it is - even if that's not what people always
want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being
led in 2002. I think it had become an agency that instead of following
the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to speak what it
thought power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has
accused the CIA of misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the
time. Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
while Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily
log that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the
CIA and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in
September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the
four dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what
he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of
four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up
with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the
briefing in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not mentioned during his
briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques
or that they had applied these against any particular detainees," he
says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA. Graham puts it
another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me or has subsequently
proven to be incorrect," he says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within
a week of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA as it was being led
in 2002," Graham says. "I think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying to
speak what it thought power wanted to hear."

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a
friend of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS]
in her fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to
criticize the Bush administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in
the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi
said in a statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to
her about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on
terrorism suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her
the truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California
Democrat, had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that
agency records show "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing 'the enhanced techniques
that had been employed,'" according to CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if
that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national
security depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and
forth between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials.
Republicans said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career
officials doing the briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the
time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership,
Pelosi is under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation
techniques approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading
her on the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew
in 2003 that terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she
learned that from an aide who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push
back harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself
for not speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a
classified briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection
by Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi
aide Mike Sheehy, Pelosi said any objection would have done little
good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress
and in the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

[sid9]

Post by CB

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi
is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth
politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her
means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the
Bronx.....

Nothing will come of it.
The Sunday talk shows will show her as a lying
bitch as she 'is' but as time
wears on...
The only way she'll be held accountable for her
lies is for Republicans to
offer a bill to impeach her. That 'is', after a
(sic) blue ribbon commission
investigates. That means for Congress to produce
the official
recorded/minutes of all Pelosi briefings , not
'notes' that Bill McCollum
allegedly took.

1. Bob Graham's notes have been deposited in his
library since he left office
2. His notes are contemporaneous notes.
3. You ought to read the article before you
comment:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363

Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings

“I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
to speak what it thought power wanted to hear.”

All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.

Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee.

How Many Briefings?

Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.

"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in September."

Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
that on three of the four dates there was no
briefing held."

He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
on the topic of detainee interrogation."

Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
told the agency what he had found in his notes.

"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on
the first three of four dates."

Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.

'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'

The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
mentioned during his briefing.

"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive techniques or that they had applied
these against any particular detainees," he says.

Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
Graham puts it another way.

"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."

Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
which was later shown to be flawed.

"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power,
it was trying to speak what it thought power
wanted to hear."

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

Post by CB

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

Nothing will come of it.
The Sunday talk shows will show her as a lying bitch as she 'is' but as time
wears on...
The only way she'll be held accountable for her lies is for Republicans to
offer a bill to impeach her. That 'is', after a (sic) blue ribbon commission
investigates. That means for Congress to produce the official
recorded/minutes of all Pelosi briefings , not 'notes' that Bill McCollum
allegedly took.

Pelosi followed Bush's orders to keep the torture classified. How is she
lying?

[CB]

Post by MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT

Post by CB

Post by MioMyo

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

The bottom line is the Imperial Princess Pelosi is Lying Partisan Bitch
who knows nothing EXCEPT scorched earth politicking........
Now finally the princess's Ends, justifies her means is getting ready to
scorch her ass all the way back to the Bronx.....

Nothing will come of it.
The Sunday talk shows will show her as a lying bitch as she 'is' but as time
wears on...
The only way she'll be held accountable for her lies is for Republicans to
offer a bill to impeach her. That 'is', after a (sic) blue ribbon commission
investigates. That means for Congress to produce the official
recorded/minutes of all Pelosi briefings , not 'notes' that Bill McCollum
allegedly took.

Pelosi followed Bush's orders to keep the torture classified. How is she
lying?

By denying she was in the loop and calling the CIA liars.

Pelosi is the typical politician out for her own greedy self. No wonder you
protect her

[RichTravsky]

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
...
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while Pelosi
was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the University
of Florida Library of Florida History.

"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the CIA
and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells Robert
Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in September."

Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the four
dates there was no briefing held."

He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."

Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what he
had found in his notes.

"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of four
dates."

Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up with
the other dates.

The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the briefing
in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.

"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or that
they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
...
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a week
of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate Intelligence
Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
...


"the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up with the other dates"

Checkmate.

[Z]

No sane person can rationalize that On-Demand Partial-Birth Abortion is OK,
& that water-boarding 3 top Muslim terrorists is a crime.

Z

Post by sid9

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees
defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
...
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he received at the time.
Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, while Pelosi
was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has maintained a daily log
that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which now reside at the University
of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up, I called the CIA
and asked for the dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells Robert
Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of '02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on three of the four
dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told the agency what he
had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham recalled. "When they
finally did a few days later, they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on the first three of four
dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up with
the other dates.
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks after the briefing
in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning. Graham, like Pelosi, says
waterboarding was not mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other excessive techniques or that
they had applied these against any particular detainees," he says.
...
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims, noting that within a week
of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the Senate Intelligence
Committee its National Intelligence Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
...
"the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came up with the other dates"
Checkmate.

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by Z
No sane person can rationalize that On-Demand
Partial-Birth Abortion
is OK, & that water-boarding 3 top Muslim terrorists is a
crime.
Z

The first is legal and the second isn't. What's to
rationalize?

Post by Z

Post by sid9

Post by CB
That's Checkmate to Sid's but...but...

Post by MioMyo
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Panetta_to_CIA_employees_We_told_Pelosi_the_truth.html?showall
Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth
CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to
his
employees defending the agency against Speaker Nancy
Pelosi's
criticisms.
His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused
on your job.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
...
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also
disputing the CIA's version of the briefings that he
received at the
time. Graham was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee,
while Pelosi
was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a
daily log that fills hundreds of spiral notebooks, which
now reside
at the University
of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to bubble up,
I called
the CIA and asked for the dates in which I had been
briefed," Graham
tells Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in
September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined that on
three of
the four
dates there was no briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and,
according to my notes, it was on the topic of detainee
interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he told
the agency
what he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When
they finally did a few days later, they indicated that I
was
correct. Their information was in error. There was no
briefing on
the first three of four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation regarding
how it came
up with
the other dates.
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three weeks
after the
briefing in which the CIA says it told Pelosi about the
use of
waterboarding, a technique also described as simulated
drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not mentioned
during his
briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive
techniques or that
they had applied these against any particular detainees,"
he says.
...
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's claims,
noting that
within a week
of its Sept. 27 briefing, the agency presented to the
Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence Estimate
of weapons
of mass destruction in
Iraq, which was later shown to be flawed.
...
"the agency offered no explanation regarding how it came
up with the
other dates"
Checkmate.

[MioMyo]

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
that on three of the four dates there was no
briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
told the agency what he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on
the first three of four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive techniques or that they had applied
these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
Graham puts it another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power,
it was trying to speak what it thought power
wanted to hear."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings

Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see power
again.

Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.

Is that why the Lying Imperial Bitch is hanging out in Arizona?

Or maybe she's there spewing venom at a few scorpions in the hopes they will
at least believe her?

[RichTravsky]

Post by MioMyo

Post by sid9
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
become an agency that instead of following the
admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 · House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
misleading her in 2002 about its use of
waterboarding during the Bush administration.
Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee.
How Many Briefings?
Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
University of Florida Library of Florida History.
"Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
'02, two in September."
Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
that on three of the four dates there was no
briefing held."
He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
on the topic of detainee interrogation."
Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
told the agency what he had found in his notes.
"They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
they indicated that I was correct. Their
information was in error. There was no briefing on
the first three of four dates."
Graham says the agency offered no explanation
regarding how it came up with the other dates.
'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
technique also described as simulated drowning.
Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
mentioned during his briefing.
"There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
excessive techniques or that they had applied
these against any particular detainees," he says.
Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
Graham puts it another way.
"Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
says. "It was a matter of omission, not
commission."
Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
which was later shown to be flawed.
"I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
think it had become an agency that instead of
following the admonition to speak truth to power,
it was trying to speak what it thought power
wanted to hear."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings

Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see power
again.

Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.

Is that why the Lying Imperial Bitch is hanging out in Arizona?
Or maybe she's there spewing venom at a few scorpions in the hopes they will
at least believe her?

Snipping something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html
Monday June 2, 2003
Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up
secret review
Specialists removed questionable evidence about weapons
from draft of secretary of state's speech to UN
...
Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's
banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News
and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack
of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not
reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.
...

[Frank Pittel]

In alt.politics.usa.republican RichTravsky <***@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:
: MioMyo wrote:
: >
: > "RichTravsky" <***@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
: > news:***@hotmMOVEail.com...
: > > Daniel wrote:
: > >>
: > >> On May 16, 1:33 pm, "sid9" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
: > >> > CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
: > >> > become an agency that instead of following the
: > >> > admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
: > >> > to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 ?? House
: > >> > Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
: > >> > misleading her in 2002 about its use of
: > >> > waterboarding during the Bush administration.
: > >> >
: > >> > Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
: > >> > Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
: > >> > the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
: > >> > was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
: > >> > Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
: > >> > the House Intelligence Committee.
: > >> >
: > >> > How Many Briefings?
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
: > >> > maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
: > >> > spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
: > >> > University of Florida Library of Florida History.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
: > >> > bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
: > >> > dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
: > >> > Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
: > >> > '02, two in September."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
: > >> > that on three of the four dates there was no
: > >> > briefing held."
: > >> >
: > >> > He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
: > >> > briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
: > >> > on the topic of detainee interrogation."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
: > >> > told the agency what he had found in his notes.
: > >> >
: > >> > "They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
: > >> > recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
: > >> > they indicated that I was correct. Their
: > >> > information was in error. There was no briefing on
: > >> > the first three of four dates."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the agency offered no explanation
: > >> > regarding how it came up with the other dates.
: > >> >
: > >> > 'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
: > >> >
: > >> > The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
: > >> > weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
: > >> > told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
: > >> > technique also described as simulated drowning.
: > >> > Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
: > >> > mentioned during his briefing.
: > >> >
: > >> > "There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
: > >> > excessive techniques or that they had applied
: > >> > these against any particular detainees," he says.
: > >> >
: > >> > Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
: > >> > Graham puts it another way.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
: > >> > or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
: > >> > says. "It was a matter of omission, not
: > >> > commission."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
: > >> > claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
: > >> > briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
: > >> > Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
: > >> > Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
: > >> > which was later shown to be flawed.
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
: > >> > as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
: > >> > think it had become an agency that instead of
: > >> > following the admonition to speak truth to power,
: > >> > it was trying to speak what it thought power
: > >> > wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >>
: > >> Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
: > >> and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
: > >> bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see power
: > >> again.
: > >
: > > Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.
: >
: > Is that why the Lying Imperial Bitch is hanging out in Arizona?
: >
: > Or maybe she's there spewing venom at a few scorpions in the hopes they will
: > at least believe her?

: Snipping something?

: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html
: Monday June 2, 2003
: Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up
: secret review
: Specialists removed questionable evidence about weapons
: from draft of secretary of state's speech to UN
: ...
: Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's
: banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News
: and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack
: of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not
: reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.
: ...

What does any of that blabber have to do with the lies told by the whore of the house??

[RichTravsky]

Post by Frank Pittel
: >
: > >>
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
: > >> > CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
: > >> > become an agency that instead of following the
: > >> > admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
: > >> > to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 ?? House
: > >> > Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
: > >> > misleading her in 2002 about its use of
: > >> > waterboarding during the Bush administration.
: > >> >
: > >> > Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
: > >> > Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
: > >> > the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
: > >> > was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
: > >> > Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
: > >> > the House Intelligence Committee.
: > >> >
: > >> > How Many Briefings?
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
: > >> > maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
: > >> > spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
: > >> > University of Florida Library of Florida History.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
: > >> > bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
: > >> > dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
: > >> > Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
: > >> > '02, two in September."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
: > >> > that on three of the four dates there was no
: > >> > briefing held."
: > >> >
: > >> > He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
: > >> > briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
: > >> > on the topic of detainee interrogation."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
: > >> > told the agency what he had found in his notes.
: > >> >
: > >> > "They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
: > >> > recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
: > >> > they indicated that I was correct. Their
: > >> > information was in error. There was no briefing on
: > >> > the first three of four dates."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the agency offered no explanation
: > >> > regarding how it came up with the other dates.
: > >> >
: > >> > 'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
: > >> >
: > >> > The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
: > >> > weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
: > >> > told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
: > >> > technique also described as simulated drowning.
: > >> > Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
: > >> > mentioned during his briefing.
: > >> >
: > >> > "There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
: > >> > excessive techniques or that they had applied
: > >> > these against any particular detainees," he says.
: > >> >
: > >> > Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
: > >> > Graham puts it another way.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
: > >> > or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
: > >> > says. "It was a matter of omission, not
: > >> > commission."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
: > >> > claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
: > >> > briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
: > >> > Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
: > >> > Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
: > >> > which was later shown to be flawed.
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
: > >> > as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
: > >> > think it had become an agency that instead of
: > >> > following the admonition to speak truth to power,
: > >> > it was trying to speak what it thought power
: > >> > wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >>
: > >> Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
: > >> and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
: > >> bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see power
: > >> again.
: > >
: > > Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.
: >
: > Is that why the Lying Imperial Bitch is hanging out in Arizona?
: >
: > Or maybe she's there spewing venom at a few scorpions in the hopes they will
: > at least believe her?
: Snipping something?
: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html
: Monday June 2, 2003
: Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up
: secret review
: Specialists removed questionable evidence about weapons
: from draft of secretary of state's speech to UN
: ...
: Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's
: banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News
: and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack
: of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not
: reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.
: ...
What does any of that blabber have to do with the lies told by the whore of the house??

Gee, Piddle, the CIA has a record of lying... DUH

[MioMyo]

Post by RichTravsky

Post by Frank Pittel
: >
: > >>
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
: > >> > CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
: > >> > become an agency that instead of following the
: > >> > admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
: > >> > to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 ?? House
: > >> > Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
: > >> > misleading her in 2002 about its use of
: > >> > waterboarding during the Bush administration.
: > >> >
: > >> > Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
: > >> > Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
: > >> > the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
: > >> > was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
: > >> > Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
: > >> > the House Intelligence Committee.
: > >> >
: > >> > How Many Briefings?
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
: > >> > maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
: > >> > spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
: > >> > University of Florida Library of Florida History.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
: > >> > bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
: > >> > dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
: > >> > Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
: > >> > '02, two in September."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
: > >> > that on three of the four dates there was no
: > >> > briefing held."
: > >> >
: > >> > He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
: > >> > briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
: > >> > on the topic of detainee interrogation."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
: > >> > told the agency what he had found in his notes.
: > >> >
: > >> > "They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
: > >> > recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
: > >> > they indicated that I was correct. Their
: > >> > information was in error. There was no briefing on
: > >> > the first three of four dates."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the agency offered no explanation
: > >> > regarding how it came up with the other dates.
: > >> >
: > >> > 'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
: > >> >
: > >> > The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
: > >> > weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
: > >> > told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
: > >> > technique also described as simulated drowning.
: > >> > Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
: > >> > mentioned during his briefing.
: > >> >
: > >> > "There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
: > >> > excessive techniques or that they had applied
: > >> > these against any particular detainees," he says.
: > >> >
: > >> > Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
: > >> > Graham puts it another way.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
: > >> > or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
: > >> > says. "It was a matter of omission, not
: > >> > commission."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
: > >> > claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
: > >> > briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
: > >> > Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
: > >> > Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
: > >> > which was later shown to be flawed.
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
: > >> > as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
: > >> > think it had become an agency that instead of
: > >> > following the admonition to speak truth to power,
: > >> > it was trying to speak what it thought power
: > >> > wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >>
: > >> Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
: > >> and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
: > >> bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see power
: > >> again.
: > >
: > > Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.
: >
: > Is that why the Lying Imperial Bitch is hanging out in Arizona?
: >
: > Or maybe she's there spewing venom at a few scorpions in the hopes they will
: > at least believe her?
: Snipping something?
: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html
: Monday June 2, 2003
: Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up
: secret review
: Specialists removed questionable evidence about weapons
: from draft of secretary of state's speech to UN
: ...
: Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's
: banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News
: and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack
: of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not
: reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.
: ...
What does any of that blabber have to do with the lies told by the whore of the house??

Gee, Piddle, the CIA has a record of lying... DUH

Then you and the Princess Pelosi shouldn't have any problem providing some
credible PROOF of your claims they have a record of lying.....

Double DUHHHHHHHHHH............

[P***@SillyWalk.com]

On Sun, 24 May 2009 07:40:29 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Then you and the Princess Pelosi shouldn't have any problem providing some
credible PROOF of your claims they have a record of lying.....

Pelosi isn't in the position to prosecute anyone

Seems it's your whining (hence the name WHINEO) that
seems to be loudest.

[MioMyo]

Post by P***@SillyWalk.com
On Sun, 24 May 2009 07:40:29 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Then you and the Princess Pelosi shouldn't have any problem providing some
credible PROOF of your claims they have a record of lying.....

Pelosi isn't in the position to prosecute anyone
Seems it's your whining (hence the name WHINEO) that
seems to be loudest.

Well of course, she's merely third on the short list to be president and
undeniably the most powerful (power-hungry too) member of congress. But you
danced around that little inconvenient fact that lying to congress is a
crime......

[RichTravsky]

Post by MioMyo

Post by RichTravsky

Post by Frank Pittel
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
: > >> > CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
: > >> > become an agency that instead of following the
: > >> > admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
: > >> > to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 ?? House
: > >> > Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
: > >> > misleading her in 2002 about its use of
: > >> > waterboarding during the Bush administration.
: > >> >
: > >> > Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
: > >> > Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
: > >> > the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
: > >> > was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
: > >> > Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
: > >> > the House Intelligence Committee.
: > >> >
: > >> > How Many Briefings?
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
: > >> > maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
: > >> > spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
: > >> > University of Florida Library of Florida History.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
: > >> > bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
: > >> > dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
: > >> > Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
: > >> > '02, two in September."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
: > >> > that on three of the four dates there was no
: > >> > briefing held."
: > >> >
: > >> > He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
: > >> > briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
: > >> > on the topic of detainee interrogation."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
: > >> > told the agency what he had found in his notes.
: > >> >
: > >> > "They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
: > >> > recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
: > >> > they indicated that I was correct. Their
: > >> > information was in error. There was no briefing on
: > >> > the first three of four dates."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says the agency offered no explanation
: > >> > regarding how it came up with the other dates.
: > >> >
: > >> > 'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
: > >> >
: > >> > The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
: > >> > weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
: > >> > told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
: > >> > technique also described as simulated drowning.
: > >> > Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
: > >> > mentioned during his briefing.
: > >> >
: > >> > "There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
: > >> > excessive techniques or that they had applied
: > >> > these against any particular detainees," he says.
: > >> >
: > >> > Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
: > >> > Graham puts it another way.
: > >> >
: > >> > "Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
: > >> > or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
: > >> > says. "It was a matter of omission, not
: > >> > commission."
: > >> >
: > >> > Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
: > >> > claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
: > >> > briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
: > >> > Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
: > >> > Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
: > >> > which was later shown to be flawed.
: > >> >
: > >> > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
: > >> > as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
: > >> > think it had become an agency that instead of
: > >> > following the admonition to speak truth to power,
: > >> > it was trying to speak what it thought power
: > >> > wanted to hear."
: > >> >
: > >> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >> >
: > >> > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >>
: > >> Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
: > >> and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
: > >> bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see power
: > >> again.
: > >
: > > Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.
: >
: > Is that why the Lying Imperial Bitch is hanging out in Arizona?
: >
: > Or maybe she's there spewing venom at a few scorpions in the hopes they will
: > at least believe her?
: Snipping something?
: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html
: Monday June 2, 2003
: Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up
: secret review
: Specialists removed questionable evidence about weapons
: from draft of secretary of state's speech to UN
: ...
: Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's
: banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News
: and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack
: of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not
: reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.
: ...
What does any of that blabber have to do with the lies told by the whore
of the house??

Gee, Piddle, the CIA has a record of lying... DUH

Then you and the Princess Pelosi shouldn't have any problem providing some
credible PROOF of your claims they have a record of lying.....
Double DUHHHHHHHHHH............

DUH - the part above? DUH? (that's a double duh)

[MioMyo]

: >
: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >
: > > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: > >
: > > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the
: > > CIA as it was being led in 2002. I think it had
: > > become an agency that instead of following the
: > > admonition to speak truth to power, it was trying
: > > to speak what it thought power wanted to hear."
: > >
: > > All Things Considered, May 15, 2009 ?? House
: > > Speaker Nancy Pelosi has accused the CIA of
: > > misleading her in 2002 about its use of
: > > waterboarding during the Bush administration.
: > >
: > > Now her fellow Democrat, former Sen. Bob Graham of
: > > Florida, is also disputing the CIA's version of
: > > the briefings that he received at the time. Graham
: > > was then chairman of the Senate Intelligence
: > > Committee, while Pelosi was the top Democrat on
: > > the House Intelligence Committee.
: > >
: > > How Many Briefings?
: > >
: > > Graham is known as a meticulous note-taker and has
: > > maintained a daily log that fills hundreds of
: > > spiral notebooks, which now reside at the
: > > University of Florida Library of Florida History.
: > >
: > > "Several weeks ago, when this issue started to
: > > bubble up, I called the CIA and asked for the
: > > dates in which I had been briefed," Graham tells
: > > Robert Siegel. "They gave me four: two in April of
: > > '02, two in September."
: > >
: > > Graham says he consulted his logs "and determined
: > > that on three of the four dates there was no
: > > briefing held."
: > >
: > > He adds: "On one date, Sept. 27, '02, there was a
: > > briefing held and, according to my notes, it was
: > > on the topic of detainee interrogation."
: > >
: > > Graham says the CIA was initially reticent when he
: > > told the agency what he had found in his notes.
: > >
: > > "They said, 'We will check and call back,'" Graham
: > > recalled. "When they finally did a few days later,
: > > they indicated that I was correct. Their
: > > information was in error. There was no briefing on
: > > the first three of four dates."
: > >
: > > Graham says the agency offered no explanation
: > > regarding how it came up with the other dates.
: > >
: > > 'No Discussion Of Waterboarding'
: > >
: > > The Sept. 27, 2002, briefing occurred about three
: > > weeks after the briefing in which the CIA says it
: > > told Pelosi about the use of waterboarding, a
: > > technique also described as simulated drowning.
: > > Graham, like Pelosi, says waterboarding was not
: > > mentioned during his briefing.
: > >
: > > "There was no discussion of waterboarding, other
: > > excessive techniques or that they had applied
: > > these against any particular detainees," he says.
: > >
: > > Pelosi has charged that she was misled by the CIA.
: > > Graham puts it another way.
: > >
: > > "Nothing that I can recall being said surprised me
: > > or has subsequently proven to be incorrect," he
: > > says. "It was a matter of omission, not
: > > commission."
: > >
: > > Graham says he is not surprised at the CIA's
: > > claims, noting that within a week of its Sept. 27
: > > briefing, the agency presented to the Senate
: > > Intelligence Committee its National Intelligence
: > > Estimate of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,
: > > which was later shown to be flawed.
: > >
: > > "I'm not impressed with the credibility of the CIA
: > > as it was being led in 2002," Graham says. "I
: > > think it had become an agency that instead of
: > > following the admonition to speak truth to power,
: > > it was trying to speak what it thought power
: > > wanted to hear."
: > >
: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363
: > >
: > > Florida's Graham Backs Pelosi On CIA Briefings
: >
: > Face it, dipshit. Piglosi lied and got caught. Democrats knew about
: > and endorsed what you idiots call "torture". Oh please please PLEASE
: > bring on the "truth" commission....LOL You idiots will never see
power
: > again.
: Face it dipshit, the CIA did lie.
Prove that the CIA lied to the whore of the house about torture like the
whore of the has claims.

Let's have some hearings...under oath.
It's about time someone in the bush,jr/ Cheney administration stood up,
sworn to tell the truth, and testified.

Deal... I take it democrats (such as princess pelosi) who were complicit
under the terms outlined by the AG like the attorneys who drafted the
Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EIT) Memos will also be fair game, put
under oath and made to testify what they knew, when the knew it and what
their role was in these EIT?

Right?

[Bob Eld]

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a friend
of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-critici
sm-2009-05-16.html

Post by MioMyo
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in her
fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize the Bush
administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the
intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi said in a
statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to her
about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on terrorism
suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California Democrat,
had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency records show
"CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed,'" according to
CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if that's
not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security
depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and forth
between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials. Republicans
said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career officials doing the
briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi is
under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her on
the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in 2003 that
terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that from an aide
who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in
the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

Pelosi may have over stated the case but we all know the CIA lies on
occasion. At the very minimum they tell partial truths and leave out things
to reinforce their case. This is not anything new. They lied about "slam
dunk," yellow cake, WMD, Saddam-Al Qaeda connection, nuclear programs and
other things to bolster the Administrations case for war. The CIA is a part
of the executive branch was doing the bidding of the administration as they
had done in previous administrations. They did the same thing during the
Iran Contra basically lying about what went on. Congressional oversight is
a joke. Nobody can take notes, everything is classified and the
congressional participants can't even discuss the issues with their staff or
the Congress at large. The whole thing is rigged so the only records are
what the CIA claims. How convenient. It's also interesting that Kitt Bond
and Boehner Claim the CIA never lied to them? Either they are bull shit
artists, are very stupid and naive or they were not critical of the torture
programs. Naturally the CIA is going to cherry pick what they say depending
on who's listening.

The real question is what has the CIA done to protect the US in recent
years?. It seems their track record is piss poor over the past 30 years or
so. Their biggest failure was not predicting the collapse of the Soviet
Union. That was supposed to be their forte where they spent the most
resources and effort yet they missed it. Of course they also missed Bin
Laden and the whole Al Qaeda thing. One wonders what good they are? Maybe is
passed time to re-organize the agency into a leaner more efficient and
effective group with the interests of the US, it's people and it's
constitution in mind. We can do without Iran Contra, WMD, Yellow cake and
other bull shit to focus on accurate, legal, up to date, realistic and
truthful information. We've had enough crap out of that organization to last
a life time.

[sid9]

Post by MioMyo

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a
breath of fresh air and a

friend

Post by MioMyo
of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-critici
sm-2009-05-16.html

Post by MioMyo
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down
slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in

her

Post by MioMyo
fight with the CIA, saying that she really
meant only to criticize the

Bush

Post by MioMyo
administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush
Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from
my respect for those in the
intelligence community who work to keep our
country safe," Pelosi said in

a

Post by MioMyo
statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she
accused the CIA of lying to her
about its use of waterboarding - which she
considers torture - on

terrorism

Post by MioMyo
suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA
director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting
that his agency told her the
truth in a controversial September 2002
briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as
a fellow California

Democrat,

Post by MioMyo
had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday
reiterating that agency records show
"CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
describing 'the enhanced techniques that had
been employed,'" according to
CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity,
professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell
it like it is - even if

that's

Post by MioMyo
not what people always want to hear. Keep it
up. Our national security
depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi
had switched back and forth
between criticizing the CIA and Bush
administration officials. Republicans
said she was unfairly criticizing non-political
career officials doing the
briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all
the time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of
her speakership, Pelosi is
under fire about what she knew of the abusive
interrogation techniques
approved by the Bush administration and when
she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused
the CIA of misleading her on
the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first
time that she knew in 2003

that

Post by MioMyo
terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said
she learned that from an

aide

Post by MioMyo
who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for
criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the
practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve
King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question
why she didn't push back
harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi
defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information
disclosed in a classified
briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal
objection by Rep. Jane
Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing
with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
Pelosi said any objection would have done
little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said
on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the
leadership in Congress and

in

Post by MioMyo
the White House. That was my job, the Congress
part."

Pelosi may have over stated the case but we all
know the CIA lies on
occasion. At the very minimum they tell partial
truths and leave out things
to reinforce their case. This is not anything
new. They lied about "slam
dunk," yellow cake, WMD, Saddam-Al Qaeda
connection, nuclear programs and
other things to bolster the Administrations case
for war. The CIA is a part
of the executive branch was doing the bidding of
the administration as they
had done in previous administrations. They did
the same thing during the
Iran Contra basically lying about what went on.
Congressional oversight is
a joke. Nobody can take notes, everything is
classified and the
congressional participants can't even discuss
the issues with their staff or
the Congress at large. The whole thing is rigged
so the only records are
what the CIA claims. How convenient. It's also
interesting that Kitt Bond
and Boehner Claim the CIA never lied to them?
Either they are bull shit
artists, are very stupid and naive or they were
not critical of the torture
programs. Naturally the CIA is going to cherry
pick what they say depending
on who's listening.
The real question is what has the CIA done to
protect the US in recent
years?. It seems their track record is piss poor
over the past 30 years or
so. Their biggest failure was not predicting the
collapse of the Soviet
Union. That was supposed to be their forte where
they spent the most
resources and effort yet they missed it. Of
course they also missed Bin
Laden and the whole Al Qaeda thing. One wonders
what good they are? Maybe is
passed time to re-organize the agency into a
leaner more efficient and
effective group with the interests of the US,
it's people and it's
constitution in mind. We can do without Iran
Contra, WMD, Yellow cake and
other bull shit to focus on accurate, legal, up
to date, realistic and
truthful information. We've had enough crap out
of that organization to last
a life time.

We didn’t need the CIA to tell us that the Soviet
Union was in dire straits.
Reagan needed an enemy so the CIA reports, if any
were kept from the public.
The Soviet Union, which should have been the bread
basket of Europe could not feed its own citizens.

[MINISTRY OF CONTEMPT]

Post by MioMyo

Post by MioMyo
Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a

friend

Post by MioMyo
of the Republican party......
ROFLMFAO...............

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-critici
sm-2009-05-16.html

Post by MioMyo
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in

her

Post by MioMyo
fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize the

Bush

Post by MioMyo
administration rather than career officials.
"My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the
intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi said
in

a

Post by MioMyo
statement.
Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to her
about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on

terrorism

Post by MioMyo
suspects.
Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California

Democrat,

Post by MioMyo
had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency records show
"CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed,'" according to
CIA records.
"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if

that's

Post by MioMyo
not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security
depends on it."
In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and forth
between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials. Republicans
said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career officials doing the
briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the time."
In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi is
under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her on
the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in 2003

that

Post by MioMyo
terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that from an

aide

Post by MioMyo
who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
"torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.
"No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress
and

in

Post by MioMyo
the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

Pelosi may have over stated the case but we all know the CIA lies on
occasion. At the very minimum they tell partial truths and leave out things
to reinforce their case. This is not anything new. They lied about "slam
dunk," yellow cake, WMD, Saddam-Al Qaeda connection, nuclear programs and
other things to bolster the Administrations case for war. The CIA is a part
of the executive branch was doing the bidding of the administration as they
had done in previous administrations. They did the same thing during the
Iran Contra basically lying about what went on. Congressional oversight
is
a joke. Nobody can take notes, everything is classified and the
congressional participants can't even discuss the issues with their staff or
the Congress at large. The whole thing is rigged so the only records are
what the CIA claims. How convenient. It's also interesting that Kitt Bond
and Boehner Claim the CIA never lied to them? Either they are bull shit
artists, are very stupid and naive or they were not critical of the torture
programs. Naturally the CIA is going to cherry pick what they say depending
on who's listening.
The real question is what has the CIA done to protect the US in recent
years?. It seems their track record is piss poor over the past 30 years or
so. Their biggest failure was not predicting the collapse of the Soviet
Union. That was supposed to be their forte where they spent the most
resources and effort yet they missed it. Of course they also missed Bin
Laden and the whole Al Qaeda thing. One wonders what good they are? Maybe is
passed time to re-organize the agency into a leaner more efficient and
effective group with the interests of the US, it's people and it's
constitution in mind. We can do without Iran Contra, WMD, Yellow cake and
other bull shit to focus on accurate, legal, up to date, realistic and
truthful information. We've had enough crap out of that organization to last
a life time.

We didn't need the CIA to tell us that the Soviet Union was in dire
straits.
Reagan needed an enemy so the CIA reports, if any were kept from the
public.
The Soviet Union, which should have been the bread basket of Europe could
not feed its own citizens.

Neither can Texas. California is feeding Texas because of Bush.

[Frank Pittel]

The whore of the house was very clear when she claimed the cia lied to her.


In alt.politics.usa.republican MioMyo <***@somewhere.com> wrote:
: Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a friend
: of the Republican party......

: ROFLMFAO...............

: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html

: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in her
: fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize the Bush
: administration rather than career officials.

: "My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
: appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the
: intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi said in a
: statement.

: Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to her
: about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on terrorism
: suspects.

: Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
: challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
: truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.

: Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California Democrat,
: had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency records show
: "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
: describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed,'" according to
: CIA records.

: "We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
: Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if that's
: not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security
: depends on it."

: In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and forth
: between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials. Republicans
: said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career officials doing the
: briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the time."

: In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi is
: under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
: approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.

: At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her on
: the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in 2003 that
: terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that from an aide
: who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.

: Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
: "torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
: terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
: Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.

: At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
: harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
: speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
: briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
: Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
: Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.

: "No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
: conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in
: the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."

[MioMyo]

Actually, the imperial princess Pelosi has been a God-Sent for republicans
wanting to put bamby's march to socialism on hold. Plus, I was actually
amazed to see the liberal press whores corner her.

If she keeps this up, it will only be a matter of time for count down to her
speakership position.

Post by Frank Pittel
The whore of the house was very clear when she claimed the cia lied to her.
: Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a breath of fresh air and a friend
: of the Republican party......
: ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in her
: fight with the CIA, saying that she really meant only to criticize the Bush
: administration rather than career officials.
: "My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not
: appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the
: intelligence community who work to keep our country safe," Pelosi said in a
: statement.
: Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she accused the CIA of lying to her
: about its use of waterboarding - which she considers torture - on terrorism
: suspects.
: Her comment came after President Obama's CIA director, Leon Panetta,
: challenged her version of events, insisting that his agency told her the
: truth in a controversial September 2002 briefing.
: Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress as a fellow California Democrat,
: had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday reiterating that agency records show
: "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
: describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed,'" according to
: CIA records.
: "We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,"
: Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is - even if that's
: not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security
: depends on it."
: In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi had switched back and forth
: between criticizing the CIA and Bush administration officials. Republicans
: said she was unfairly criticizing non-political career officials doing the
: briefing when she claimed "they mislead us all the time."
: In what is so far the most difficult episode of her speakership, Pelosi is
: under fire about what she knew of the abusive interrogation techniques
: approved by the Bush administration and when she knew it.
: At the same news conference where she accused the CIA of misleading her on
: the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in 2003 that
: terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that from an aide
: who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
: Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as
: "torture" when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11
: terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) - called on
: Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
: At the same time, liberal groups could question why she didn't push back
: harder against the Bush administration. Pelosi defended herself for not
: speaking out at the time about information disclosed in a classified
: briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a formal objection by Rep. Jane
: Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
: Pelosi said any objection would have done little good.
: "No letter could change the policy," she said on May 14 at a news
: conference. "It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in
: the White House. That was my job, the Congress part."
--
-------------------
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you

[sid9]

RRRs can't hang anything on Obama so you attack
Pelosi.

Let's have some hearings under oath to get into
the whole mess that lied us into war

Post by MioMyo
Actually, the imperial princess Pelosi has been
a God-Sent for republicans wanting to put
bamby's march to socialism on hold. Plus, I was
actually amazed to see the liberal press whores
corner her.
If she keeps this up, it will only be a matter
of time for count down to her speakership
position.

Post by Frank Pittel
The whore of the house was very clear when she
claimed the cia lied to her.
In alt.politics.usa.republican MioMyo
: Thank you Princess Pelosi. You indeed are a
breath of fresh air and a friend
: of the Republican party......
: ROFLMFAO...............
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html
: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down
slightly [SLIGHTLY MY ASS] in her
: fight with the CIA, saying that she really
meant only to criticize the Bush
: administration rather than career officials.
: "My criticism of the manner in which the Bush
Administration did not
: appropriately inform Congress is separate
from my respect for those in the
: intelligence community who work to keep our
country safe," Pelosi said in a
: statement.
: Pelosi caused an uproar Thursday when she
accused the CIA of lying to her
: about its use of waterboarding - which she
considers torture - on terrorism
: suspects.
: Her comment came after President Obama's CIA
director, Leon Panetta,
: challenged her version of events, insisting
that his agency told her the
: truth in a controversial September 2002
briefing.
: Panetta, who served with Pelosi in Congress
as a fellow California Democrat,
: had issued a memo to CIA staff Friday
reiterating that agency records show
: "CIA officers briefed truthfully on the
interrogation of Abu Zubaydah,
: describing 'the enhanced techniques that had
been employed,'" according to
: CIA records.
: "We are an agency of high integrity,
professionalism and dedication,"
: Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to
tell it like it is - even if that's
: not what people always want to hear. Keep it
up. Our national security
: depends on it."
: In her statement and answers Thursday, Pelosi
had switched back and forth
: between criticizing the CIA and Bush
administration officials. Republicans
: said she was unfairly criticizing
non-political career officials doing the
: briefing when she claimed "they mislead us
all the time."
: In what is so far the most difficult episode
of her speakership, Pelosi is
: under fire about what she knew of the abusive
interrogation techniques
: approved by the Bush administration and when
she knew it.
: At the same news conference where she accused
the CIA of misleading her on
: the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first
time that she knew in 2003 that
: terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She
said she learned that from an aide
: who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.
: Republicans have called her a hypocrite for
criticizing techniques as
: "torture" when she tacitly agreed to the
practices after the Sept. 11
: terrorist attacks. One lawmaker - Rep. Steve
King (R-Iowa) - called on
: Pelosi Friday to step down as Speaker.
: At the same time, liberal groups could
question why she didn't push back
: harder against the Bush administration.
Pelosi defended herself for not
: speaking out at the time about information
disclosed in a classified
: briefing. Asked why she didn't co-sign a
formal objection by Rep. Jane
: Harman (D-Calif.), who attended the briefing
with Pelosi aide Mike Sheehy,
: Pelosi said any objection would have done
little good.
: "No letter could change the policy," she said
on May 14 at a news
: conference. "It was clear we had to change
the leadership in Congress and in
: the White House. That was my job, the
Congress part."
--
-------------------
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you

[Spartakus]

To hear the wingnuts say it (and really, it's hard to miss their
ululating at rock concert volumes), we don't have a problem with the
administration that demanded torture, or the legal counsel that
patched together a legal justification for torture, or the medical
personnel who stood by and watched the torture, or the punditocracy
who used a popular TV show to justify torture, or the rank-and-file
military and intelligence personnel who unquestioningly did the dirty
work of torture.

Nope. No problem at all.

None of these wingnuts showed any understanding that using torture
turns us into monsters until news broke that a certain congresswoman
may or may not have been briefed on these matters back in 2002 or
2003. THEN it became the most awful thing ever.

Strange are the ways of wingnuts.