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Paul Simon
2008-11-28 19:56:09 UTC
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Obama’s Budget Head Would Cut Social Security

By Matthew Rothschild, Posted November 28, 2008.

Peter Orszag, Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office, is on
record favoring a reduction in Social Security benefits.

Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office is on record favoring
a reduction in Social Security benefits.

On Tuesday, Obama picked Peter Orszag to direct the Office of
Management and Budget (OMB). Orszag believes that Social Security
benefits should be cut back to help balance the Social Security Trust
Fund over the next 75 years.

He spells out his views in a paper he wrote with Peter A. Diamond for
the Brookings Institute back in 2005, called “Saving Social Security:
The Diamond-Orszag Plan.”

In it, they call for “a reduction in benefits, which would apply to
all workers age 59 and younger.”

The younger you are, the more you’ll get hurt.

“The reduction in benefits for a 45-year-old average earner is less
than 1 percent,” the plan says. “For a 35-year-old, less than 5
percent; and for a 25-year-old, less than 9 percent. Reductions are
smaller for lower earners, and larger for higher ones.”

In the paper, Orszag and Diamond come out strongly against replacing
part of Social Security with individual accounts, which Republicans
have proposed. The authors call this “a grave mistake.”

But Orszag and Diamond say that there is no free lunch in making sure
Social Security remains solvent. So they propose cutting benefits and
raising Social Security taxes.

The Social Security Trust Fund’s reserves are projected to run out in
2041. At that point, the system will be bringing in less than it is
committed to paying out.

But the consequence of that may be exaggerated.

“It’s not exactly the end of the world,” write Dean Baker and Mark
Weisbrot in Social Security: The Phony Crisis.

“For one thing, the Social Security system would be far from ‘broke.'
While it would indeed be short of revenue to maintain promised
benefits, it would still be able to pay retirees higher real benefits
than they are receiving today. And the nation has managed obligations
of this size in the past: the financing gap would be roughly equal to
the amount by which we increased military spending between 1976 and
1986 (a period in which we were not, incidentally, at war).”

When Barack Obama announced his OMB choice, he said we “have to be
willing to shed the spending we don’t need.”

Some of that spending may be on Social Security, if Peter Orszag has
any say over the matter. And he’s in a position to have a big say.
Ockham's Razor
2008-11-28 21:57:41 UTC
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Post by Paul Simon
Obama’s Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
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Scratch
2008-11-28 22:39:48 UTC
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Subject: Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
ba.politics,ca.politics,or.politics,seattle.politics,wash.politics
Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
By Matthew Rothschild, Posted November 28, 2008.
The left will rob you every stinking chance they get. THAT you can depend
on.
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then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason
whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Oh
yea, makes perfect sense.
Clave
2008-11-28 23:09:11 UTC
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Post by Scratch
Subject: Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
ba.politics,ca.politics,or.politics,seattle.politics,wash.politics
Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
By Matthew Rothschild, Posted November 28, 2008.
The left will rob you every stinking chance they get. THAT you can depend
on.
And none of you wingfucks have *any* idea how childishly bitter and utterly
stupid you sound.

Jim
Chicken Little Sr
2008-11-29 00:36:45 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC), Scratch
Post by Scratch
Subject: Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
ba.politics,ca.politics,or.politics,seattle.politics,wash.politics
Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
By Matthew Rothschild, Posted November 28, 2008.
The left will rob you every stinking chance they get. THAT you can depend
on.
--
ATHEISM - The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing
and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and
then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason
whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Oh
yea, makes perfect sense.
Makes a lot more sense than some magic fucking murderous sky moppet.

Sky moppet sez appear and everything appears like it was last Thursday...

Fucking religious nutters
SMITH29
2008-11-30 20:00:33 UTC
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Post by Chicken Little Sr
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC), Scratch
Post by Scratch
Subject: Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
ba.politics,ca.politics,or.politics,seattle.politics,wash.politics
Obama's Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
By Matthew Rothschild, Posted November 28, 2008.
The left will rob you every stinking chance they get. THAT you can depend
on.
--
ATHEISM - The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing
and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and
then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason
whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Oh
yea, makes perfect sense.
Makes a lot more sense than some magic fucking murderous sky moppet.
Sky moppet sez appear and everything appears like it was last Thursday...
Fucking religious nutters
xxxx
Holy rollers are far more acceptable than your Eljer face.

29 :-)

Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )
2008-11-29 01:06:35 UTC
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Post by Paul Simon
Obama’s Budget Head Would Cut Social Security
By Matthew Rothschild, Posted November 28, 2008.
Peter Orszag, Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office, is on
record favoring a reduction in Social Security benefits.
Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office is on record favoring
a reduction in Social Security benefits.
On Tuesday, Obama picked Peter Orszag to direct the Office of
Management and Budget (OMB). Orszag believes that Social Security
benefits should be cut back to help balance the Social Security Trust
Fund over the next 75 years.
He spells out his views in a paper he wrote with Peter A. Diamond for
The Diamond-Orszag Plan.”
In it, they call for “a reduction in benefits, which would apply to
all workers age 59 and younger.”
The younger you are, the more you’ll get hurt.
Also, the more time you've got to plan for the shortfall.
Post by Paul Simon
“The reduction in benefits for a 45-year-old average earner is less
than 1 percent,” the plan says. “For a 35-year-old, less than 5
percent; and for a 25-year-old, less than 9 percent. Reductions are
smaller for lower earners, and larger for higher ones.”
In the paper, Orszag and Diamond come out strongly against replacing
part of Social Security with individual accounts, which Republicans
have proposed. The authors call this “a grave mistake.”
It's not because by having individual accounts, you can finally
force the SSTF to be invested in something that actually has a
means of paying back into the fund. Individual accounts are not the
only way to do this. A sensible third way could be to invest the
money in infrastructure bonds with a defined means of being paid
back. This might be a bridge with a toll or a freeway with a
committed funding source like a certain amount of a gasoline tax.
Post by Paul Simon
But Orszag and Diamond say that there is no free lunch in making sure
Social Security remains solvent. So they propose cutting benefits and
raising Social Security taxes.
The Social Security Trust Fund’s reserves are projected to run out in
2041. At that point, the system will be bringing in less than it is
committed to paying out.
It should be noted that 2041 makes the rather farcical assumption
that the money that was paid into the SSTF and loaned to the
general fund will somehow be paid back with interest. Since the
general fund is in deficit and has no plan to get out of deficit,
assuming that it can pay anything back is a leap off a cliff.
Post by Paul Simon
But the consequence of that may be exaggerated.
“It’s not exactly the end of the world,” write Dean Baker and Mark
Weisbrot in Social Security: The Phony Crisis.
“For one thing, the Social Security system would be far from ‘broke.'
While it would indeed be short of revenue to maintain promised
benefits, it would still be able to pay retirees higher real benefits
than they are receiving today. And the nation has managed obligations
of this size in the past: the financing gap would be roughly equal to
the amount by which we increased military spending between 1976 and
1986 (a period in which we were not, incidentally, at war).”
Again, this ignores the fact that the general fund owes massive
amounts to the SSTF and the general fund is in deficit. Why not
redo the numbers assuming nothing out of the general fund? What
year is that crisis?
Ian B MacLure
2008-11-29 07:17:40 UTC
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"Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )"
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Post by Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )
Again, this ignores the fact that the general fund owes massive
amounts to the SSTF and the general fund is in deficit. Why not
redo the numbers assuming nothing out of the general fund? What
year is that crisis?
2013 IIRC ( could be 2016 cause I'm going from memory )

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Lobby Dosser
2008-11-29 07:50:31 UTC
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Post by Ian B MacLure
"Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )"
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Post by Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )
Again, this ignores the fact that the general fund owes massive
amounts to the SSTF and the general fund is in deficit. Why not
redo the numbers assuming nothing out of the general fund? What
year is that crisis?
2013 IIRC ( could be 2016 cause I'm going from memory )
IBM
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Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )
2008-11-29 22:36:44 UTC
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Post by Ian B MacLure
"Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )"
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Post by Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )
Again, this ignores the fact that the general fund owes massive
amounts to the SSTF and the general fund is in deficit. Why not
redo the numbers assuming nothing out of the general fund? What
year is that crisis?
2013 IIRC ( could be 2016 cause I'm going from memory )
So that's when the SSTF starts asking for the general fund to pay
it back? Because that's not far away. And the general fund is
broke.
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repairman and put back into its stained glass window say to another
piece of the stained glass window after it had been carefully
soldered in place by the stained glass repairman?

A: Foiled again!
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