Brits Ban Michael Savage - the beginning of the end of Free Speech

[MioMyo]

Well then again the brits don't harbor Free Speech like we Yanks do holding
dear tenants like, "I may disagree with what you say but I'll fight to the
death for your right to say it."

Oh that's right the American Fascist Left have banned that one too!

SAVAGE'S RESPONSE
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=333633&comments=1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/16-banned-from-britain-named-and-shamed-1679127.html

Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named and shamed" by the
Home Office today.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to make public the names of 16
people banned since October so others could better understand what sort of
behaviour Britain was not prepared to tolerate.

The list includes hate preachers, anti-gay protesters and a far- right US
talk show host.

Related articles
Savage response: barred shock jock vows to sue
"I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts
of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and
the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," Ms Smith
told GMTV.

"Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that
we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude
you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people
that we have excluded.

"We are publishing the names of 16 of those that we have excluded since
October. We are telling people who they are and why it is we don't want them
in this country."

She said the number of people excluded from Britain had risen from an
average of two a month to five a month since October.


The list of the 16 "least wanted" includes radio talk show host Michael
Savage, real name Michael Weiner.

"This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of
such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually
likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were
allowed into the country," Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast.

Also named are American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and his
daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, who have picketed the funerals of Aids
victims and claimed the deaths of US soldiers are a punishment for US
tolerance of homosexuality.

"If people have so clearly overstepped the mark in terms of the way not just
that they are talking but the sort of attitudes that they are expressing to
the extent that we think that this is likely to cause or have the potential
to cause violence or inter-community tension in this country, then actually
I think the right thing is not to let them into the country in the first
place. Not to open the stable door then try to close it later," Ms Smith
said.

"It's a privilege to come to this country. There are certain behaviours that
mean you forfeit that privilege."

Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, former Ku Klux Klan
grand wizard Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe are also on the
list released today.

Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a violent Russian
skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders, are also banned
from coming to Britain. Both are currently in prison.

Making up the rest of the 16 named by the Home Office today are preachers
Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi
and Amir Siddique, Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa (previously Clarence
Reams), murderer and Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar and Kashmiri terror
group leader Nasr Javed.

[Bob Eld]

Post by MioMyo
Well then again the brits don't harbor Free Speech like we Yanks do holding
dear tenants like, "I may disagree with what you say but I'll fight to the
death for your right to say it."
Oh that's right the American Fascist Left have banned that one too!
SAVAGE'S RESPONSE
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=333633&comments=1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/16-banned-from-britain-named-a
nd-shamed-1679127.html

Post by MioMyo
Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named and shamed" by the
Home Office today.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to make public the names of 16
people banned since October so others could better understand what sort of
behaviour Britain was not prepared to tolerate.
The list includes hate preachers, anti-gay protesters and a far- right US
talk show host.
Related articles
Savage response: barred shock jock vows to sue
"I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts
of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and
the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," Ms Smith
told GMTV.
"Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that
we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude
you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people
that we have excluded.
"We are publishing the names of 16 of those that we have excluded since
October. We are telling people who they are and why it is we don't want them
in this country."
She said the number of people excluded from Britain had risen from an
average of two a month to five a month since October.
The list of the 16 "least wanted" includes radio talk show host Michael
Savage, real name Michael Weiner.
"This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of
such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually
likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were
allowed into the country," Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast.
Also named are American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and his
daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, who have picketed the funerals of Aids
victims and claimed the deaths of US soldiers are a punishment for US
tolerance of homosexuality.
"If people have so clearly overstepped the mark in terms of the way not just
that they are talking but the sort of attitudes that they are expressing to
the extent that we think that this is likely to cause or have the potential
to cause violence or inter-community tension in this country, then actually
I think the right thing is not to let them into the country in the first
place. Not to open the stable door then try to close it later," Ms Smith
said.
"It's a privilege to come to this country. There are certain behaviours that
mean you forfeit that privilege."
Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, former Ku Klux Klan
grand wizard Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe are also on the
list released today.
Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a violent Russian
skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders, are also banned
from coming to Britain. Both are currently in prison.
Making up the rest of the 16 named by the Home Office today are preachers
Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi
and Amir Siddique, Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa (previously Clarence
Reams), murderer and Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar and Kashmiri terror
group leader Nasr Javed.

People forget that unlike the US, there is no such thing as freedom of
speech
in England. If the government there doesn't like what you say, they can ban
you. Our system is clearly better unless a person actually causes harm or
violence. All speech should be protected as laid out in the first Amendment,
even Weeeener Savage's.

However, there is argument for some sort of "fairness doctrine" where the
rantings of nut balls can be challenged. AM radio offers no such avenue
being only one way communication. Freedom of speech must include methods to
comment and challenge.

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by MioMyo

Post by MioMyo
Well then again the brits don't harbor Free Speech like
we Yanks do
holding dear tenants like, "I may disagree with what you
say but
I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."
Oh that's right the American Fascist Left have banned
that one too!
SAVAGE'S RESPONSE
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=333633&comments=1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/16-banned-from-britain-named-a
nd-shamed-1679127.html

Post by MioMyo
Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named
and shamed"
by the Home Office today.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to make
public the
names of 16 people banned since October so others could
better
understand what sort of behaviour Britain was not
prepared to
tolerate.
The list includes hate preachers, anti-gay protesters and
a far-
right US talk show host.
Related articles
Savage response: barred shock jock vows to sue
"I think it's important that people understand the sorts
of values
and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that
it's a
privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you
won't be
welcome in this country," Ms Smith told GMTV.
"Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live
by the
rules that we live by, the standards and the values that
we live by,
we should exclude you from this country and, what's more,
now we
will make public those people that we have excluded.
"We are publishing the names of 16 of those that we have
excluded
since October. We are telling people who they are and why
it is we
don't want them in this country."
She said the number of people excluded from Britain had
risen from an
average of two a month to five a month since October.
The list of the 16 "least wanted" includes radio talk
show host
Michael Savage, real name Michael Weiner.
"This is someone who has fallen into the category of
fomenting
hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such
a way that
it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or
even
violence if that person were allowed into the country,"
Ms Smith
told BBC Breakfast.
Also named are American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron
Phelps Snr and
his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, who have picketed the
funerals of
Aids victims and claimed the deaths of US soldiers are a
punishment
for US tolerance of homosexuality.
"If people have so clearly overstepped the mark in terms
of the way
not just that they are talking but the sort of attitudes
that they
are expressing to the extent that we think that this is
likely to
cause or have the potential to cause violence or
inter-community
tension in this country, then actually I think the right
thing is
not to let them into the country in the first place. Not
to open the
stable door then try to close it later," Ms Smith said.
"It's a privilege to come to this country. There are
certain
behaviours that mean you forfeit that privilege."
Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky,
former Ku
Klux Klan grand wizard Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi
Erich
Gliebe are also on the list released today.
Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a
violent
Russian skinhead gang which committed 20 racially
motivated murders,
are also banned from coming to Britain. Both are
currently in prison.
Making up the rest of the 16 named by the Home Office
today are
preachers Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah
Qadri Al
Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi and Amir Siddique, Muslim activist
Abdul Ali
Musa (previously Clarence Reams), murderer and Hezbollah
terrorist
Samir Al Quntar and Kashmiri terror group leader Nasr
Javed.

People forget that unlike the US, there is no such thing
as freedom of
speech
in England.

There has never been full freedom of speech in the United
State, even political speech. Many people have been jailed
for political speech in this country. Check out the the
Sedition Act of 1798 and the Sedition Act of 1918.

The Sedition Act of 1798 made it illegal, among other things
to "write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done,
or assist in it, any false, scandalous, and malicious
writing against the government of the United States, or
either House of Congress, or the President, with intent to
defame, or bring either into contempt or disrepute..."

The Sedition Act of 1918 made it illegal for Americans to
use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language"
about the U.S. government, the U.S. flag, or the U.S. armed
forces during war as well as allowing the Postmaster General
to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy
during wartime.

Then, of course, we had the infamous McCarthy hearings in
the 50s.

Free speech? Sure.

Post by MioMyo
If the government there doesn't like what you say, they
can ban you. Our system is clearly better unless a person
actually
causes harm or violence. All speech should be protected as
laid out
in the first Amendment, even Weeeener Savage's.
However, there is argument for some sort of "fairness
doctrine" where
the rantings of nut balls can be challenged. AM radio
offers no such
avenue being only one way communication. Freedom of speech
must
include methods to comment and challenge.

[Bob Eld]

Snip.....

Post by Lamont Cranston

Post by Bob Eld
People forget that unlike the US, there is no such thing
as freedom of
speech
in England.

There has never been full freedom of speech in the United
State, even political speech. Many people have been jailed
for political speech in this country. Check out the the
Sedition Act of 1798 and the Sedition Act of 1918.
The Sedition Act of 1798 made it illegal, among other things
to "write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done,
or assist in it, any false, scandalous, and malicious
writing against the government of the United States, or
either House of Congress, or the President, with intent to
defame, or bring either into contempt or disrepute..."
The Sedition Act of 1918 made it illegal for Americans to
use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language"
about the U.S. government, the U.S. flag, or the U.S. armed
forces during war as well as allowing the Postmaster General
to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy
during wartime.
Then, of course, we had the infamous McCarthy hearings in
the 50s.
Free speech? Sure.

That's neither here nor there. The fact is that Weeeeener Savage, Limbaugh
Hannity and the rest of those republican nut cases can and do say what they
want. They laugh at your sedition laws, in fact they are much more concerned
that the "fairness doctrine" will return than any bull shit threats from
sedition. But, my point is and was that they go unchallenged on the public
airwaves. Many crab aout them later but not at the same time and to the same
audience.

[Clairbear]

Post by Bob Eld
Snip.....

Post by Lamont Cranston

Post by Bob Eld
People forget that unlike the US, there is no such thing
as freedom of
speech
in England.

There has never been full freedom of speech in the United
State, even political speech. Many people have been jailed
for political speech in this country. Check out the the
Sedition Act of 1798 and the Sedition Act of 1918.
The Sedition Act of 1798 made it illegal, among other things
to "write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done,
or assist in it, any false, scandalous, and malicious
writing against the government of the United States, or
either House of Congress, or the President, with intent to
defame, or bring either into contempt or disrepute..."
The Sedition Act of 1918 made it illegal for Americans to
use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language"
about the U.S. government, the U.S. flag, or the U.S. armed
forces during war as well as allowing the Postmaster General
to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy
during wartime.
Then, of course, we had the infamous McCarthy hearings in
the 50s.
Free speech? Sure.

That's neither here nor there. The fact is that Weeeeener Savage,
Limbaugh Hannity and the rest of those republican nut cases can and do
say what they want.

It is called constitutional protected free speech and it drive you liberal
crazy that more people are interested in the message tha were interested in
Stuart Smalley left wing radio America

Post by Bob Eld
They laugh at your sedition laws, in fact they are
much more concerned that the "fairness doctrine" will return than any
bull shit threats from sedition.

T Ptutting the quotatiion around the phrase "fairness doctrine" is the
right way to post it as it in more on an "unfairness doctrine" as it would
attempt to quash free speech You may have heard of that it is a RIGHT
guanateed in the costitution.

Post by Bob Eld
But, my point is and was that they go
unchallenged on the public airwaves.

Agaion beacuse leftwing talk radio can't find an audience Just ask the
dipsuted Senator Elect Stuart Smalley

Post by Bob Eld
Many crab aout them later but not
at the same time and to the same audience.

That last sentence makes about as much sense as Joe"the Human Gaffe
Machine" Biden

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by Bob Eld
Snip.....

Post by Lamont Cranston

Post by Bob Eld
People forget that unlike the US, there is no such
thing
as freedom of
speech
in England.

There has never been full freedom of speech in the United
State, even political speech. Many people have been
jailed
for political speech in this country. Check out the the
Sedition Act of 1798 and the Sedition Act of 1918.
The Sedition Act of 1798 made it illegal, among other
things
to "write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be
done,
or assist in it, any false, scandalous, and malicious
writing against the government of the United States, or
either House of Congress, or the President, with intent
to
defame, or bring either into contempt or disrepute..."
The Sedition Act of 1918 made it illegal for Americans to
use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language"
about the U.S. government, the U.S. flag, or the U.S.
armed
forces during war as well as allowing the Postmaster
General
to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy
during wartime.
Then, of course, we had the infamous McCarthy hearings in
the 50s.
Free speech? Sure.

That's neither here nor there. The fact is that Weeeeener
Savage,
Limbaugh Hannity and the rest of those republican nut
cases can and
do say what they want. They laugh at your sedition laws,
in fact they
are much more concerned that the "fairness doctrine" will
return than
any bull shit threats from sedition. But, my point is and
was that
they go unchallenged on the public airwaves. Many crab
aout them
later but not at the same time and to the same audience.

You're preaching to the choir in my case, Bob. But, it's
almost impossible for anybody to challenge them on the air.
They screen every call and even if you manage to con the
screener and actually get through, you will be cut off
before you can complete your challenge. Remember, Bill
O'Reilly's midde names are "Cut His Mike."

[Chimpy McLimpballs]

Post by MioMyo
Well then again the brits don't harbor Free Speech like we Yanks do
holding dear tenants like, "I may disagree with what you say but I'll
fight to the death for your right to say it."
Oh that's right the American Fascist Left have banned that one too!
SAVAGE'S RESPONSE

Usual righty wacko logic. If we protect free speech, that means by default
we're protecting other things Yahweh doesn't like, such as incest and
pedophilia. We need to include another clause saying marrying a toaster is
not protected.

Maybe instead they should clarify racial protection laws by saying "stupid
rednecx is not a race".
Silly, "but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."........as
long as I agree with it.

How do these rednecx morans get to vote? (Oh, that's right --- never
mind...it's in the US Constitution that Bush pissed on)

[Spartakus]

"MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote:

[--screens and screens of crying about Michael Savage being refused
entry into the U.K.--]

So fucking what? The U.K. also refused entry to Busta Rhymes and
***Martha Stewart***.

I didn't see you get out of joint over the U.S. refusing entry to Cat
Stevens.

[Stan de SD]

Post by Spartakus
[--screens and screens of crying about Michael Savage being refused
entry into the U.K.--]
So fucking what?  The U.K. also refused entry to Busta Rhymes and
***Martha Stewart***.

Martha Stewart is a convicted felon. Busta Rhymes was on probation for
assault, which would likely include some restrictions on travel.

Post by Spartakus
I didn't see you get out of joint over the U.S. refusing entry to Cat
Stevens.

Cat Stevens condoned killing someone (Salman Rushdie) on the basis of
religious belief, and refused to retract his remarks even when given
several opportunities to do so. There was also some belief that he had
been providing aid to a charity that was in turn providing it to
Hamas. Savage has merely P.O.d liberals, which of course they regard
as a bigger affront to humanity... :O|

[Bill Z.]

Post by Stan de SD
Savage has merely P.O.d liberals, which of course they regard
as a bigger affront to humanity... :O|

<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/michael-savage-banned-fro_n_196631.html>:

"I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values
and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a
privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be
welcome in this country," Smith told GMTV.

But some of the people on the list criticized it, and one analyst
said it contains a wide variety of people to avoid giving
Britain's Muslims the impression that it singles them out.

Popular American talk-radio host, Michael Savage, who broadcasts
from San Francisco and has called the Muslim holy book, the Quran,
a "book of hate," is on the list. Savage also has enraged parents
of children with autism by saying in most cases it's "a brat who
hasn't been told to cut the act out."

Let's see. The U.K. has Muslim citizens, and is banning Muslim extremists
from visiting the country. So it also bans someone who makes extremist
statements against Islam, if only to have a consistent policy and so that
the U.K.'s Muslim citizens feel that they are being treated fairly.

The U.S., BTW, has banned people who did not pose a threat to anyone
for political reasons. For example, Salvadore Allende's wife:
<http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/OPE/archive/0606/att-0149/01-1952-2005.doc>.
She had been invited for some lectures. You wouldn't have had to agree
with her or her deceased husband's politics to want to attend - you
might have just wanted to get an idea of how they thought about
issues. It's not like she was a Molotov-cocktail thrower. But she was
banned nonetheless.