Discussion:
EPA pushes smog control for yard equipment.
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kujebak
2007-04-18 22:49:11 UTC
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And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?

http://tinyurl.com/24vhh5

"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that on certain days nearly 25 percent of the particulate
matter in the skies above Los Angeles can be traced
to China. Some experts predict China could one day
account for a third of all California's air pollution."

http://tinyurl.com/2zgaka

How about this:
How about leaning on the Chinese instead?
How about a total trade embargo until they
convert all their coal plants to natural gas?


Hellooo!!!
FEEB
2007-04-19 11:48:15 UTC
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Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
http://tinyurl.com/24vhh5
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that on certain days nearly 25 percent of the particulate
matter in the skies above Los Angeles can be traced
to China. Some experts predict China could one day
account for a third of all California's air pollution."
http://tinyurl.com/2zgaka
How about leaning on the Chinese instead?
How about a total trade embargo until they
convert all their coal plants to natural gas?
Hellooo!!!
Oh, come one! That would not be politically correct. You know as well as
I do that Chinese are just poor idealistic communists while we in North
America are just blood sucking imperialists.


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Jack Stone
2007-04-19 19:20:02 UTC
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Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
Post by kujebak
http://tinyurl.com/24vhh5
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that on certain days nearly 25 percent of the particulate
matter in the skies above Los Angeles can be traced
to China. Some experts predict China could one day
account for a third of all California's air pollution."
http://tinyurl.com/2zgaka
How about leaning on the Chinese instead?
How about a total trade embargo until they
convert all their coal plants to natural gas?
Hellooo!!!
Zdislav V. Kovarik
2007-04-19 21:58:03 UTC
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Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
In my pre-penthouse years, I used a peculiar instrument for mowing a
lawn: it had two wheels, a handle, and a cogwheel mechanism set up so that
as I pushed that thing in front of me on a lawn, a rotor with several
blades rotated (that's what rotors do) and mowed the grass. Does that
qualify as a lawn mower? :-)=
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
http://tinyurl.com/24vhh5
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that on certain days nearly 25 percent of the particulate
matter in the skies above Los Angeles can be traced
to China. Some experts predict China could one day
account for a third of all California's air pollution."
http://tinyurl.com/2zgaka
How about leaning on the Chinese instead?
How about a total trade embargo until they
convert all their coal plants to natural gas?
Fat chance. The Chinese may frown... and the "international community"
with them.

In addition, the supermarkets would be deprived of tons of canned
groceries made in China (with unregulated contents of lead), as well as
pens, pencils, children's toys (with unregulated contents of lead),
clothing,...
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
Hellooo!!!
Cheers, Slavek(ZVK)
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Maminko, maminko, sousedi maji bajecnej gramofon! Nemusi se to
vubec strkat do elektriky, jenom se zatoci klickou a hraje to!
kujebak
2007-04-20 01:12:00 UTC
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Post by Zdislav V. Kovarik
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
In my pre-penthouse years, I used a peculiar instrument for mowing a
lawn: it had two wheels, a handle, and a cogwheel mechanism set up so that
as I pushed that thing in front of me on a lawn, a rotor with several
blades rotated (that's what rotors do) and mowed the grass. Does that
qualify as a lawn mower? :-)=
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
http://tinyurl.com/24vhh5
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that on certain days nearly 25 percent of the particulate
matter in the skies above Los Angeles can be traced
to China. Some experts predict China could one day
account for a third of all California's air pollution."
http://tinyurl.com/2zgaka
How about leaning on the Chinese instead?
How about a total trade embargo until they
convert all their coal plants to natural gas?
Fat chance. The Chinese may frown... and the "international community"
with them.
In addition, the supermarkets would be deprived of tons of canned
groceries made in China (with unregulated contents of lead), as well as
pens, pencils, children's toys (with unregulated contents of lead),
clothing,...
I'm not sure what "canned groceries" you're referring to,
but it is evident from your comments that quality of our
nutrition would actually improve :-)
As far as the writing utensils, toys, and all the other ob-
jects of our throw-away consumerism provided by China,
I'm sure our economy would be able to compensate. And,
as far as the effect of such a trade embargo on the Chinese,
it would almost surely behoove them to finally focus on the
root of their own problems, which is their authoritarian form
of government.
Jenicek
2007-04-20 01:25:17 UTC
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Post by Zdislav V. Kovarik
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
In my pre-penthouse years, I used a peculiar instrument for mowing a
lawn: it had two wheels, a handle, and a cogwheel mechanism set up so that
as I pushed that thing in front of me on a lawn, a rotor with several
blades rotated (that's what rotors do) and mowed the grass. Does that
qualify as a lawn mower? :-)=
Yes it is lawn mover. However carbon emission depends only on your farts
during the work.
Paul J Kriha
2007-04-21 09:00:15 UTC
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Post by Zdislav V. Kovarik
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
In my pre-penthouse years, I used a peculiar instrument for mowing a
lawn: it had two wheels, a handle, and a cogwheel mechanism set up so that
as I pushed that thing in front of me on a lawn, a rotor with several
blades rotated (that's what rotors do) and mowed the grass. Does that
qualify as a lawn mower? :-)=
Pushing that type of mower around is hard work. You get hungry
and eat more beef. While growing extra beef for you the cows
generate more methane and to deliver the extra meat to you
the vehicles generate more CO2. You better pour a 1/2 inch
slab of concrete over your lawn and paint it green.

pjk
Post by Zdislav V. Kovarik
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
http://tinyurl.com/24vhh5
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that on certain days nearly 25 percent of the particulate
matter in the skies above Los Angeles can be traced
to China. Some experts predict China could one day
account for a third of all California's air pollution."
http://tinyurl.com/2zgaka
How about leaning on the Chinese instead?
How about a total trade embargo until they
convert all their coal plants to natural gas?
Fat chance. The Chinese may frown... and the "international community"
with them.
In addition, the supermarkets would be deprived of tons of canned
groceries made in China (with unregulated contents of lead), as well as
pens, pencils, children's toys (with unregulated contents of lead),
clothing,...
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
Hellooo!!!
Cheers, Slavek(ZVK)
-------------------------------
Maminko, maminko, sousedi maji bajecnej gramofon! Nemusi se to
vubec strkat do elektriky, jenom se zatoci klickou a hraje to!
kujebak
2007-04-21 17:09:39 UTC
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Post by Paul J Kriha
Post by Zdislav V. Kovarik
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
In my pre-penthouse years, I used a peculiar instrument for mowing a
lawn: it had two wheels, a handle, and a cogwheel mechanism set up so that
as I pushed that thing in front of me on a lawn, a rotor with several
blades rotated (that's what rotors do) and mowed the grass. Does that
qualify as a lawn mower? :-)=
Pushing that type of mower around is hard work. You get hungry
and eat more beef. While growing extra beef for you the cows
generate more methane and to deliver the extra meat to you
the vehicles generate more CO2. You better pour a 1/2 inch
slab of concrete over your lawn and paint it green.
pjk
Let's not forget AstroTurf :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstroTurf
FEEB
2007-04-20 13:30:38 UTC
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Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
I used to have 115V electric lawn mower some 20 years ago until my wife
accidentally ran over the cable while mowing the lawn and blew the main
fuses to the house. We had to call Hydro to repair the fuses and we were
several hours without any electricity. After that I sold the mower for $50
to my colleague who used it to mow his handkerchief sized front lawn
somewhere in downtown T.O.

Battery powered electric lawn mowers are piece of crap. I had a battery
powered lawn mower. It was under-powered, it was not able to mow the whole
lawn on one charge and the battery went dead after one year. Do not even
think of trying to use it on a slightly overgrown grass. It would just
stop. It ended up in garbage (nobody would buy it). I have had several
battery powered electrical trimmers, I think I am on my third now. Again,
the battery goes dead very quickly (a year, two max), new battery costs
almost as much as a new trimmer - it is a major PITA. I still use them
because I do not do too much trimming and the gas powered trimmer seems to
be too big for my usage.

But do not even think of suggesting I should use battery powered or cable
powered electrical mower. No way :-)


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Paul J Kriha
2007-04-21 09:12:53 UTC
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Post by FEEB
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
I used to have 115V electric lawn mower some 20 years ago until my wife
accidentally ran over the cable while mowing the lawn and blew the main
fuses to the house. We had to call Hydro to repair the fuses and we were
several hours without any electricity. After that I sold the mower for $50
to my colleague who used it to mow his handkerchief sized front lawn
somewhere in downtown T.O.
Battery powered electric lawn mowers are piece of crap. I had a battery
powered lawn mower. It was under-powered, it was not able to mow the whole
lawn on one charge and the battery went dead after one year. Do not even
think of trying to use it on a slightly overgrown grass. It would just
stop. It ended up in garbage (nobody would buy it). I have had several
battery powered electrical trimmers, I think I am on my third now. Again,
the battery goes dead very quickly (a year, two max), new battery costs
almost as much as a new trimmer - it is a major PITA. I still use them
because I do not do too much trimming and the gas powered trimmer seems to
be too big for my usage.
But do not even think of suggesting I should use battery powered or cable
powered electrical mower. No way :-)
A guy from a local franchise called "Mr.Green" comes to do my lawns
every 10-14 days. He uses about 3 different machines, they are
all petrol engine internal combustion driven beasts of many many
horsepowers. His main mower seems to be able to mow and consume
palm tree fronds and branches fallen off the neighbour's oak tree as well
as loose tiles and bricks. The greatest part of his service is that he
takes away all the clippings and the branches I trim off the trees and
leave in the corner of the garden.

pjk
kujebak
2007-04-21 16:39:33 UTC
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Post by Paul J Kriha
Post by FEEB
Post by Jack Stone
Post by kujebak
And now the envirohucksters want to put a cata-
lytic converter on my lawn mower? Can anyone
tell me what catalytic converters on garden equip-
ment will do for "carbon emissions"?
How about using electric one ? :-)))))))))
I used to have 115V electric lawn mower some 20 years ago until my wife
accidentally ran over the cable while mowing the lawn and blew the main
fuses to the house. We had to call Hydro to repair the fuses and we were
several hours without any electricity. After that I sold the mower for $50
to my colleague who used it to mow his handkerchief sized front lawn
somewhere in downtown T.O.
Battery powered electric lawn mowers are piece of crap. I had a battery
powered lawn mower. It was under-powered, it was not able to mow the whole
lawn on one charge and the battery went dead after one year. Do not even
think of trying to use it on a slightly overgrown grass. It would just
stop. It ended up in garbage (nobody would buy it). I have had several
battery powered electrical trimmers, I think I am on my third now. Again,
the battery goes dead very quickly (a year, two max), new battery costs
almost as much as a new trimmer - it is a major PITA. I still use them
because I do not do too much trimming and the gas powered trimmer seems to
be too big for my usage.
But do not even think of suggesting I should use battery powered or cable
powered electrical mower. No way :-)
A guy from a local franchise called "Mr.Green" comes to do my lawns
every 10-14 days. He uses about 3 different machines, they are
all petrol engine internal combustion driven beasts of many many
horsepowers. His main mower seems to be able to mow and consume
palm tree fronds and branches fallen off the neighbour's oak tree as well
as loose tiles and bricks. The greatest part of his service is that he
takes away all the clippings and the branches I trim off the trees and
leave in the corner of the garden.
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The greatest thing about gasoline driven mowers
is that, in addition to cutting your lawn, they also
vacuum the clippings and all the other debris that
accumulates on it. The main reason why electric
mowers haven't made greater inroads into our col-
lective gardening consciousness is that they are
not very good at this.
FEEB
2007-04-23 12:49:53 UTC
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Post by kujebak
The greatest thing about gasoline driven mowers
is that, in addition to cutting your lawn, they also
vacuum the clippings and all the other debris that
accumulates on it.
Exactly. That's what I do each fall. I got couple of large maple trees
and the amount of leaves they shed in fall is staggering. I just vacuum
them with my lawn mower and recycle them in green bins. Beats raking hands
down if you ask me :-)



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FEEB
2007-04-23 12:45:49 UTC
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Post by Paul J Kriha
A guy from a local franchise called "Mr.Green" comes to do my lawns
every 10-14 days. He uses about 3 different machines, they are
all petrol engine internal combustion driven beasts of many many
horsepowers. His main mower seems to be able to mow and consume
palm tree fronds and branches fallen off the neighbour's oak tree as well
as loose tiles and bricks. The greatest part of his service is that he
takes away all the clippings and the branches I trim off the trees and
leave in the corner of the garden.
These can be easily recycled around here. We just put them into our green
bins. The amount is not limited.


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