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Last Ditch Attempt to Resurrect Princess Pelosi
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MioMyo
2009-07-14 12:10:34 UTC
Permalink
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some credibility to their
estranged house speaker. But even if the demagogue witch hangs onto her
seat, she's damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder that democrats
are the out-of-control extremists in Washington.

In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not telling her about
waterboarding, something the other briefed congress members DO NOT
corroborate. So all this twisting and obfuscation does not distract from the
fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her allegation......

Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream Americans.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-ahead-with-probe-of-cia-2009-07-13.html

By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are pushing ahead with plans
to hold a series of hearings investigating instances in which intelligence
officials may have misled members of Congress.

Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement could come by the end
of week, but it was already clear on Monday that House Democrats are seizing
on weekend news reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney hid
information from Congress.

The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA, under the direction of
Cheney, developed a secret counterterrorism program and then was directed by
the vice president to conceal it from Congress.

The Wall Street Journal first reported that the program was a classified
initiative to kill or capture al Qaeda operatives. Cheney has not commented
on the media reports.

Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence committees learned
about the program last week, when CIA Director Leon Panetta told them in
classified hearings that he had just learned about the program and had
ordered it terminated.

But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the Intelligence panels
that Cheney had directed his predecessors to conceal the program from all
members of Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House and Senate
leaders and top Intelligence committee members, who are directed under
federal law to receive regular intelligence briefings.

Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest briefing angered members of
the panels, even though Panetta had only weeks prior admitted to members of
the Intelligence committees that the CIA had, under past directors, engaged
in obfuscation following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The latest development on Cheney has prodded some senior Democrats to begin
calling for hearings, which up until late last week had been something many
leading Democrats were hesitant to do.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday signaled that she would give
the House Intelligence Committee a green light to investigate incidents in
which the CIA misled or lied to Congress, including times when Cheney was
supposedly involved.

"I think that it behooves the committee to take whatever actions they
believe are necessary to get more information on that subject as to whether
the intelligence community was directed by the vice president to create a
program and intentionally withhold that information from Congress. And
further, if these same intelligence community people were asked, 'Is there
anything else we should know?' whether they said yes or whether they said
no," Pelosi told reporters.

Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward instead of backwards
when pressed on other issues, such as impeaching President George W. Bush
and prosecuting Bush administration officials. But in the wake of the Cheney
reports, she is allowing her panel chairmen to act should they choose to do
so.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday said Congress should
"absolutely" investigate the fractured relationship between the intelligence
community and Congress.

But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking Democrat in the upper
chamber, says some Democrats are getting ahead of themselves.

In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on Monday, Schumer said if
there are egregious violations, they should be investigated.

"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is jumping the gun,"
Schumer said. "We don't know enough."

After it was noted that other Democrats are calling for a probe of Cheney,
Schumer replied, "Different strokes for different folks."

In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel Democrats - Rep. Jan Schakowsky
(D-Ill.), who heads the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, and,
separately, Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have already called for hearings.

Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas), has not publicly
said how he will handle those, and any other, requests.

"The chairman is reviewing the information and the options available to him
and consulting with the ranking member," said Courtney Littig, a spokeswoman
for the committee.

Prior to last week, when it was first made public that Panetta admitted
privately to past instances of misleading briefings, Democrats have had a
difficult time navigating the politics of the intelligence community's
transgressions.

After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had regularly been misled by
the CIA, she and Democrats were dogged by charges of making their own
questionable claims, which were levied relentlessly by Republicans who
demanded that Pelosi either prove her claims or apologize for them.

Democrats now believe further revelations about the degree to which the Bush
administration misled Congress are giving them political cover.

"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush administration," a Democratic
aide said. "The Republicans attempted to use this as an issue, but with more
and more evidence coming out about the Bush-Cheney administration
circumventing Congress completely, it shows it's a real red herring."

Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's involvement through press
reports. Last week she told reporters that she likewise had only heard about
Panetta's admission that agency officials had repeatedly lied to Congress
through press reports.

That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans to continue to call
on Pelosi to provide details about how she was misled and when.
tenjets
2009-07-14 13:19:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some credibility to their
estranged house speaker. But even if the demagogue witch hangs onto her
seat, she's damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder that democrats
are the out-of-control extremists in Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not telling her about
waterboarding, something the other briefed congress members DO NOT
corroborate. So all this twisting and obfuscation does not distract from the
fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-a...
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are pushing ahead with plans
to hold a series of hearings investigating instances in which intelligence
officials may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement could come by the end
of week, but it was already clear on Monday that House Democrats are seizing
on weekend news reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney hid
information from Congress.
 The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA, under the direction of
Cheney, developed a secret counterterrorism program and then was directed by
the vice president to conceal it from Congress.
The Wall Street Journal first reported that the program was a classified
initiative to kill or capture al Qaeda operatives. Cheney has not commented
on the media reports.
Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence committees learned
about the program last week, when CIA Director Leon Panetta told them in
classified hearings that he had just learned about the program and had
ordered it terminated.
But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the Intelligence panels
that Cheney had directed his predecessors to conceal the program from all
members of Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House and Senate
leaders and top Intelligence committee members, who are directed under
federal law to receive regular intelligence briefings.
Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest briefing angered members of
the panels, even though Panetta had only weeks prior admitted to members of
the Intelligence committees that the CIA had, under past directors, engaged
in obfuscation following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The latest development on Cheney has prodded some senior Democrats to begin
calling for hearings, which up until late last week had been something many
leading Democrats were hesitant to do.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday signaled that she would give
the House Intelligence Committee a green light to investigate incidents in
which the CIA misled or lied to Congress, including times when Cheney was
supposedly involved.
"I think that it behooves the committee to take whatever actions they
believe are necessary to get more information on that subject as to whether
the intelligence community was directed by the vice president to create a
program and intentionally withhold that information from Congress. And
further, if these same intelligence community people were asked, 'Is there
anything else we should know?' whether they said yes or whether they said
no," Pelosi told reporters.
Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward instead of backwards
when pressed on other issues, such as impeaching President George W. Bush
and prosecuting Bush administration officials. But in the wake of the Cheney
reports, she is allowing her panel chairmen to act should they choose to do
so.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday said Congress should
"absolutely" investigate the fractured relationship between the intelligence
community and Congress.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking Democrat in the upper
chamber, says some Democrats are getting ahead of themselves.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on Monday, Schumer said if
there are egregious violations, they should be investigated.
"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is jumping the gun,"
Schumer said. "We don't know enough."
After it was noted that other Democrats are calling for a probe of Cheney,
Schumer replied, "Different strokes for different folks."
In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel Democrats - Rep. Jan Schakowsky
(D-Ill.), who heads the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, and,
separately, Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have already called for hearings.
Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas), has not publicly
said how he will handle those, and any other, requests.
"The chairman is reviewing the information and the options available to him
and consulting with the ranking member," said Courtney Littig, a spokeswoman
for the committee.
Prior to last week, when it was first made public that Panetta admitted
privately to past instances of misleading briefings, Democrats have had a
difficult time navigating the politics of the intelligence community's
transgressions.
After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had regularly been misled by
the CIA, she and Democrats were dogged by charges of making their own
questionable claims, which were levied relentlessly by Republicans who
demanded that Pelosi either prove her claims or apologize for them.
Democrats now believe further revelations about the degree to which the Bush
administration misled Congress are giving them political cover.
"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush administration," a Democratic
aide said. "The Republicans attempted to use this as an issue, but with more
and more evidence coming out about the Bush-Cheney administration
circumventing Congress completely, it shows it's a real red herring."
Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's involvement through press
reports. Last week she told reporters that she likewise had only heard about
Panetta's admission that agency officials had repeatedly lied to Congress
through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans to continue to call
on Pelosi to provide details about how she was misled and when.
" ... call on Pelosi to provide details about how she was misled and
when."
Maybe she led them on and got what she deserved, you know, the ol'
rapist defense.
Sid9
2009-07-14 15:27:57 UTC
Permalink
Obama does not want to look backward into the abuses of the
bush,jr/ Cheney administration.
Republicans ran roughshod over Democrats when they were in
power.
Now it's payback time.
Obama cannot stop the hearings that will come out of this.
The outcomes are totally unpredictable.
No one knows where they will take us.
This is real bad news for Republicans.
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some
credibility to their estranged house speaker. But even if
the demagogue witch hangs onto her seat, she's damaged
goods and an excellent poster reminder that democrats are
the out-of-control extremists in Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not
telling her about waterboarding, something the other
briefed congress members DO NOT corroborate. So all this
twisting and obfuscation does not distract from the fact,
the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her
allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream
Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-ahead-with-probe-of-cia-2009-07-13.html
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are
pushing ahead with plans to hold a series of hearings
investigating instances in which intelligence officials
may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement
could come by the end of week, but it was already clear on
Monday that House Democrats are seizing on weekend news
reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney hid
information from Congress.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA, under
the direction of Cheney, developed a secret
counterterrorism program and then was directed by the vice
president to conceal it from Congress.
The Wall Street Journal first reported that the program
was a classified initiative to kill or capture al Qaeda
operatives. Cheney has not commented on the media reports.
Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence
committees learned about the program last week, when CIA
Director Leon Panetta told them in classified hearings
that he had just learned about the program and had ordered
it terminated.
But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the
Intelligence panels that Cheney had directed his
predecessors to conceal the program from all members of
Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House and
Senate leaders and top Intelligence committee members, who
are directed under federal law to receive regular
intelligence briefings.
Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest briefing
angered members of the panels, even though Panetta had
only weeks prior admitted to members of the Intelligence
committees that the CIA had, under past directors, engaged
in obfuscation following the terrorist attacks of Sept.
11, 2001.
The latest development on Cheney has prodded some senior
Democrats to begin calling for hearings, which up until
late last week had been something many leading Democrats
were hesitant to do.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday signaled
that she would give the House Intelligence Committee a
green light to investigate incidents in which the CIA
misled or lied to Congress, including times when Cheney
was supposedly involved.
"I think that it behooves the committee to take whatever
actions they believe are necessary to get more information
on that subject as to whether the intelligence community
was directed by the vice president to create a program and
intentionally withhold that information from Congress. And
further, if these same intelligence community people were
asked, 'Is there anything else we should know?' whether
they said yes or whether they said no," Pelosi told
reporters.
Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward
instead of backwards when pressed on other issues, such as
impeaching President George W. Bush and prosecuting Bush
administration officials. But in the wake of the Cheney
reports, she is allowing her panel chairmen to act should
they choose to do so.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday said
Congress should "absolutely" investigate the fractured
relationship between the intelligence community and
Congress.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking
Democrat in the upper chamber, says some Democrats are
getting ahead of themselves.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on
Monday, Schumer said if there are egregious violations,
they should be investigated.
"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is
jumping the gun," Schumer said. "We don't know enough."
After it was noted that other Democrats are calling for a
probe of Cheney, Schumer replied, "Different strokes for
different folks."
In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel Democrats -
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), who heads the Oversight and
Investigations Subcommittee, and, separately, Rep. Anna
Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have already called for hearings.
Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas),
has not publicly said how he will handle those, and any
other, requests.
"The chairman is reviewing the information and the options
available to him and consulting with the ranking member,"
said Courtney Littig, a spokeswoman for the committee.
Prior to last week, when it was first made public that
Panetta admitted privately to past instances of misleading
briefings, Democrats have had a difficult time navigating
the politics of the intelligence community's
transgressions.
After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had
regularly been misled by the CIA, she and Democrats were
dogged by charges of making their own questionable claims,
which were levied relentlessly by Republicans who demanded
that Pelosi either prove her claims or apologize for them.
Democrats now believe further revelations about the degree
to which the Bush administration misled Congress are
giving them political cover.
"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush
administration," a Democratic aide said. "The Republicans
attempted to use this as an issue, but with more and more
evidence coming out about the Bush-Cheney administration
circumventing Congress completely, it shows it's a real
red herring."
Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's
involvement through press reports. Last week she told
reporters that she likewise had only heard about Panetta's
admission that agency officials had repeatedly lied to
Congress through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans
to continue to call on Pelosi to provide details about how
she was misled and when.
Bruce Olin
2009-07-14 17:31:56 UTC
Permalink
Obama does not want to look backward into the abuses of the bush,jr/
Cheney administration.
Republicans ran roughshod over Democrats when they were in power.
Now it's payback time.
Obama cannot stop the hearings that will come out of this.
The outcomes are totally unpredictable.
No one knows where they will take us.
This is real bad news for Republicans.
The problem is that it is bad news for the country, as well. Think the
Repuglycunts are going to cooperate in government if the truth is officially
exposed? No. They will shut down all legislation. And you might as well
flip a coin to decide what the "public" will think... The bloodlust that
clouded their minds after 9/11 still lingers in more than a few. Most of
the population would rather believe hateful lies than look at an honest
picture of America that is capable of war crimes... Not us, we don't commit
war crimes, or, if we do, it was OK because we are the good guys.

Don't get me wrong... I would like noting better than to see Bush and
Cheney hanged. It would be the "right" thing. But if it would happen, the
whole country would become polarized to the extent that government would be
powerless to hold back the economic threat of genuine depression. All that
is holding it back is belief, and a true look at ourselves will shatter that
belief. I don't like it, but I think I understand why Obama is trying to
hold back on punishing the guilty.

Bruce Olin
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some credibility to their
estranged house speaker. But even if the demagogue witch hangs onto her
seat, she's damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder that democrats
are the out-of-control extremists in Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not telling her
about waterboarding, something the other briefed congress members DO NOT
corroborate. So all this twisting and obfuscation does not distract from
the fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-ahead-with-probe-of-cia-2009-07-13.html
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are pushing ahead with
plans to hold a series of hearings investigating instances in which
intelligence officials may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement could come by the
end of week, but it was already clear on Monday that House Democrats are
seizing on weekend news reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney
hid information from Congress.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA, under the direction
of Cheney, developed a secret counterterrorism program and then was
directed by the vice president to conceal it from Congress.
The Wall Street Journal first reported that the program was a classified
initiative to kill or capture al Qaeda operatives. Cheney has not
commented on the media reports.
Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence committees learned
about the program last week, when CIA Director Leon Panetta told them in
classified hearings that he had just learned about the program and had
ordered it terminated.
But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the Intelligence
panels that Cheney had directed his predecessors to conceal the program
from all members of Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House and
Senate leaders and top Intelligence committee members, who are directed
under federal law to receive regular intelligence briefings.
Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest briefing angered members
of the panels, even though Panetta had only weeks prior admitted to
members of the Intelligence committees that the CIA had, under past
directors, engaged in obfuscation following the terrorist attacks of
Sept. 11, 2001.
The latest development on Cheney has prodded some senior Democrats to
begin calling for hearings, which up until late last week had been
something many leading Democrats were hesitant to do.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday signaled that she would
give the House Intelligence Committee a green light to investigate
incidents in which the CIA misled or lied to Congress, including times
when Cheney was supposedly involved.
"I think that it behooves the committee to take whatever actions they
believe are necessary to get more information on that subject as to
whether the intelligence community was directed by the vice president to
create a program and intentionally withhold that information from
Congress. And further, if these same intelligence community people were
asked, 'Is there anything else we should know?' whether they said yes or
whether they said no," Pelosi told reporters.
Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward instead of
backwards when pressed on other issues, such as impeaching President
George W. Bush and prosecuting Bush administration officials. But in the
wake of the Cheney reports, she is allowing her panel chairmen to act
should they choose to do so.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday said Congress should
"absolutely" investigate the fractured relationship between the
intelligence community and Congress.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking Democrat in the upper
chamber, says some Democrats are getting ahead of themselves.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on Monday, Schumer said
if there are egregious violations, they should be investigated.
"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is jumping the gun,"
Schumer said. "We don't know enough."
After it was noted that other Democrats are calling for a probe of
Cheney, Schumer replied, "Different strokes for different folks."
In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel Democrats - Rep. Jan
Schakowsky (D-Ill.), who heads the Oversight and Investigations
Subcommittee, and, separately, Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have already
called for hearings.
Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas), has not
publicly said how he will handle those, and any other, requests.
"The chairman is reviewing the information and the options available to
him and consulting with the ranking member," said Courtney Littig, a
spokeswoman for the committee.
Prior to last week, when it was first made public that Panetta admitted
privately to past instances of misleading briefings, Democrats have had a
difficult time navigating the politics of the intelligence community's
transgressions.
After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had regularly been misled
by the CIA, she and Democrats were dogged by charges of making their own
questionable claims, which were levied relentlessly by Republicans who
demanded that Pelosi either prove her claims or apologize for them.
Democrats now believe further revelations about the degree to which the
Bush administration misled Congress are giving them political cover.
"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush administration," a Democratic
aide said. "The Republicans attempted to use this as an issue, but with
more and more evidence coming out about the Bush-Cheney administration
circumventing Congress completely, it shows it's a real red herring."
Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's involvement through
press reports. Last week she told reporters that she likewise had only
heard about Panetta's admission that agency officials had repeatedly lied
to Congress through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans to continue to
call on Pelosi to provide details about how she was misled and when.
Sid9
2009-07-14 17:42:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Obama does not want to look backward into the abuses of
the bush,jr/ Cheney administration.
Republicans ran roughshod over Democrats when they were
in power.
Now it's payback time.
Obama cannot stop the hearings that will come out of
this.
The outcomes are totally unpredictable.
No one knows where they will take us.
This is real bad news for Republicans.
The problem is that it is bad news for the country, as
well. Think the Repuglycunts are going to cooperate in
government if the truth is officially exposed? No. They
will shut down all legislation. And you might as well
flip a coin to decide what the "public" will think... The
bloodlust that clouded their minds after 9/11 still
lingers in more than a few. Most of the population would
rather believe hateful lies than look at an honest picture
of America that is capable of war crimes... Not us, we
don't commit war crimes, or, if we do, it was OK because
we are the good guys.
Don't get me wrong... I would like noting better than to
see Bush and Cheney hanged. It would be the "right"
thing. But if it would happen, the whole country would
become polarized to the extent that government would be
powerless to hold back the economic threat of genuine
depression. All that is holding it back is belief, and a
true look at ourselves will shatter that belief. I don't
like it, but I think I understand why Obama is trying to
hold back on punishing the guilty.
Bruce Olin
Republicans do not have the power to shut anything down.
So far they have been treated gently by the Democrats.

If real criminality is exposed during such hearings there
are enough patriotic Republicans who will put party aside
and do what is right.
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some
credibility to their estranged house speaker. But even
if the demagogue witch hangs onto her seat, she's
damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder that
democrats are the out-of-control extremists in
Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not
telling her about waterboarding, something the other
briefed congress members DO NOT corroborate. So all this
twisting and obfuscation does not distract from the
fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her
allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream
Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-ahead-with-probe-of-cia-2009-07-13.html
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are
pushing ahead with plans to hold a series of hearings
investigating instances in which intelligence officials
may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement
could come by the end of week, but it was already clear
on Monday that House Democrats are seizing on weekend
news reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney hid
information from Congress.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA,
under the direction of Cheney, developed a secret
counterterrorism program and then was directed by the
vice president to conceal it from Congress.
The Wall Street Journal first reported that the program
was a classified initiative to kill or capture al Qaeda
operatives. Cheney has not commented on the media
reports.
Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence
committees learned about the program last week, when CIA
Director Leon Panetta told them in classified hearings
that he had just learned about the program and had
ordered it terminated.
But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the
Intelligence panels that Cheney had directed his
predecessors to conceal the program from all members of
Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House and
Senate leaders and top Intelligence committee members,
who are directed under federal law to receive regular
intelligence briefings.
Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest
briefing angered members of the panels, even though
Panetta had only weeks prior admitted to members of the
Intelligence committees that the CIA had, under past
directors, engaged in obfuscation following the
terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The latest development on Cheney has prodded some senior
Democrats to begin calling for hearings, which up until
late last week had been something many leading Democrats
were hesitant to do.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday signaled
that she would give the House Intelligence Committee a
green light to investigate incidents in which the CIA
misled or lied to Congress, including times when Cheney
was supposedly involved.
"I think that it behooves the committee to take whatever
actions they believe are necessary to get more
information on that subject as to whether the
intelligence community was directed by the vice
president to create a program and intentionally withhold
that information from Congress. And further, if these
same intelligence community people were asked, 'Is there
anything else we should know?' whether they said yes or
whether they said no," Pelosi told reporters.
Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward
instead of backwards when pressed on other issues, such
as impeaching President George W. Bush and prosecuting
Bush administration officials. But in the wake of the
Cheney reports, she is allowing her panel chairmen to
act should they choose to do so.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday said
Congress should "absolutely" investigate the fractured
relationship between the intelligence community and
Congress.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking
Democrat in the upper chamber, says some Democrats are
getting ahead of themselves.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on
Monday, Schumer said if there are egregious violations,
they should be investigated.
"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is
jumping the gun," Schumer said. "We don't know enough."
After it was noted that other Democrats are calling for
a probe of Cheney, Schumer replied, "Different strokes
for different folks."
In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel Democrats -
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), who heads the Oversight
and Investigations Subcommittee, and, separately, Rep.
Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have already called for
hearings.
Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes
(D-Texas), has not publicly said how he will handle
those, and any other, requests.
"The chairman is reviewing the information and the
options available to him and consulting with the ranking
member," said Courtney Littig, a spokeswoman for the
committee.
Prior to last week, when it was first made public that
Panetta admitted privately to past instances of
misleading briefings, Democrats have had a difficult
time navigating the politics of the intelligence
community's transgressions.
After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had
regularly been misled by the CIA, she and Democrats were
dogged by charges of making their own questionable
claims, which were levied relentlessly by Republicans
who demanded that Pelosi either prove her claims or
apologize for them.
Democrats now believe further revelations about the
degree to which the Bush administration misled Congress
are giving them political cover.
"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush
administration," a Democratic aide said. "The
Republicans attempted to use this as an issue, but with
more and more evidence coming out about the Bush-Cheney
administration circumventing Congress completely, it
shows it's a real red herring."
Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's
involvement through press reports. Last week she told
reporters that she likewise had only heard about
Panetta's admission that agency officials had repeatedly
lied to Congress through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans
to continue to call on Pelosi to provide details about
how she was misled and when.
Bruce Olin
2009-07-14 18:23:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sid9
Post by Bruce Olin
Obama does not want to look backward into the abuses of the bush,jr/
Cheney administration.
Republicans ran roughshod over Democrats when they were in power.
Now it's payback time.
Obama cannot stop the hearings that will come out of this.
The outcomes are totally unpredictable.
No one knows where they will take us.
This is real bad news for Republicans.
The problem is that it is bad news for the country, as well. Think the
Repuglycunts are going to cooperate in government if the truth is
officially exposed? No. They will shut down all legislation. And you
might as well flip a coin to decide what the "public" will think... The
bloodlust that clouded their minds after 9/11 still lingers in more than
a few. Most of the population would rather believe hateful lies than
look at an honest picture of America that is capable of war crimes...
Not us, we don't commit war crimes, or, if we do, it was OK because we
are the good guys.
Don't get me wrong... I would like noting better than to see Bush and
Cheney hanged. It would be the "right" thing. But if it would happen,
the whole country would become polarized to the extent that government
would be powerless to hold back the economic threat of genuine
depression. All that is holding it back is belief, and a true look at
ourselves will shatter that belief. I don't like it, but I think I
understand why Obama is trying to hold back on punishing the guilty.
Bruce Olin
Republicans do not have the power to shut anything down.
So far they have been treated gently by the Democrats.
If real criminality is exposed during such hearings there are enough
patriotic Republicans who will put party aside and do what is right.
Maybe, now that Frankin is in... Don't ever doubt the power of evil. We
have a population that would rather believe lies than the truth, at least if
the truth reflects badly on them. And the good old GOP ready to tell any
lie to protect themselves... You may be correct, from a legislative point of
view, but, frankly, I don't trust the American public...

Look, I'll be the first to admit that I'm speaking from self interest...
The business is busted, credit rating in the trash, employment opportunities
close to nonexistent, mortgage payment two months behind... Everything
riding on a web business trying to sell shit to a public not in the mood to
buy... If people stop believing that we are going to recover, I'm going to
be the first one over the edge. Too much is hanging on belief, which is
dangerous. Expose the GOP and they are going to do their best to shatter
that belief. I remember a statement from a communications theory class I
had back in college... A system (the Republican Party) will use its last
energy to preserve itself, no matter what the consequences. Expose them and
they will destroy the economy and the country.

Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some credibility to
their estranged house speaker. But even if the demagogue witch hangs
onto her seat, she's damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder
that democrats are the out-of-control extremists in Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not telling her
about waterboarding, something the other briefed congress members DO
NOT corroborate. So all this twisting and obfuscation does not distract
from the fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her
allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-ahead-with-probe-of-cia-2009-07-13.html
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are pushing ahead with
plans to hold a series of hearings investigating instances in which
intelligence officials may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement could come by
the end of week, but it was already clear on Monday that House
Democrats are seizing on weekend news reports that former Vice
President Dick Cheney hid information from Congress.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA, under the direction
of Cheney, developed a secret counterterrorism program and then was
directed by the vice president to conceal it from Congress.
The Wall Street Journal first reported that the program was a
classified initiative to kill or capture al Qaeda operatives. Cheney
has not commented on the media reports.
Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence committees
learned about the program last week, when CIA Director Leon Panetta
told them in classified hearings that he had just learned about the
program and had ordered it terminated.
But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the Intelligence
panels that Cheney had directed his predecessors to conceal the program
from all members of Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House
and Senate leaders and top Intelligence committee members, who are
directed under federal law to receive regular intelligence briefings.
Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest briefing angered
members of the panels, even though Panetta had only weeks prior
admitted to members of the Intelligence committees that the CIA had,
under past directors, engaged in obfuscation following the terrorist
attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The latest development on Cheney has prodded some senior Democrats to
begin calling for hearings, which up until late last week had been
something many leading Democrats were hesitant to do.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday signaled that she would
give the House Intelligence Committee a green light to investigate
incidents in which the CIA misled or lied to Congress, including times
when Cheney was supposedly involved.
"I think that it behooves the committee to take whatever actions they
believe are necessary to get more information on that subject as to
whether the intelligence community was directed by the vice president
to create a program and intentionally withhold that information from
Congress. And further, if these same intelligence community people were
asked, 'Is there anything else we should know?' whether they said yes
or whether they said no," Pelosi told reporters.
Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward instead of
backwards when pressed on other issues, such as impeaching President
George W. Bush and prosecuting Bush administration officials. But in
the wake of the Cheney reports, she is allowing her panel chairmen to
act should they choose to do so.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday said Congress
should "absolutely" investigate the fractured relationship between the
intelligence community and Congress.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking Democrat in the
upper chamber, says some Democrats are getting ahead of themselves.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on Monday, Schumer
said if there are egregious violations, they should be investigated.
"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is jumping the gun,"
Schumer said. "We don't know enough."
After it was noted that other Democrats are calling for a probe of
Cheney, Schumer replied, "Different strokes for different folks."
In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel Democrats - Rep. Jan
Schakowsky (D-Ill.), who heads the Oversight and Investigations
Subcommittee, and, separately, Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have
already called for hearings.
Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas), has not
publicly said how he will handle those, and any other, requests.
"The chairman is reviewing the information and the options available to
him and consulting with the ranking member," said Courtney Littig, a
spokeswoman for the committee.
Prior to last week, when it was first made public that Panetta admitted
privately to past instances of misleading briefings, Democrats have had
a difficult time navigating the politics of the intelligence
community's transgressions.
After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had regularly been
misled by the CIA, she and Democrats were dogged by charges of making
their own questionable claims, which were levied relentlessly by
Republicans who demanded that Pelosi either prove her claims or
apologize for them.
Democrats now believe further revelations about the degree to which the
Bush administration misled Congress are giving them political cover.
"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush administration," a
Democratic aide said. "The Republicans attempted to use this as an
issue, but with more and more evidence coming out about the Bush-Cheney
administration circumventing Congress completely, it shows it's a real
red herring."
Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's involvement through
press reports. Last week she told reporters that she likewise had only
heard about Panetta's admission that agency officials had repeatedly
lied to Congress through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans to continue to
call on Pelosi to provide details about how she was misled and when.
Sid9
2009-07-14 21:35:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Obama does not want to look backward into the abuses of
the bush,jr/ Cheney administration.
Republicans ran roughshod over Democrats when they were
in power.
Now it's payback time.
Obama cannot stop the hearings that will come out of
this.
The outcomes are totally unpredictable.
No one knows where they will take us.
This is real bad news for Republicans.
The problem is that it is bad news for the country, as
well. Think the Repuglycunts are going to cooperate in
government if the truth is officially exposed? No.
They will shut down all legislation. And you might as
well flip a coin to decide what the "public" will
think... The bloodlust that clouded their minds after
9/11 still lingers in more than a few. Most of the
population would rather believe hateful lies than look
at an honest picture of America that is capable of war
crimes... Not us, we don't commit war crimes, or, if we
do, it was OK because we are the good guys.
Don't get me wrong... I would like noting better than
to see Bush and Cheney hanged. It would be the "right"
thing. But if it would happen, the whole country would
become polarized to the extent that government would be
powerless to hold back the economic threat of genuine
depression. All that is holding it back is belief, and
a true look at ourselves will shatter that belief. I
don't like it, but I think I understand why Obama is
trying to hold back on punishing the guilty.
Bruce Olin
Republicans do not have the power to shut anything down.
So far they have been treated gently by the Democrats.
If real criminality is exposed during such hearings there
are enough patriotic Republicans who will put party aside
and do what is right.
Maybe, now that Frankin is in... Don't ever doubt the
power of evil. We have a population that would rather
believe lies than the truth, at least if the truth
reflects badly on them. And the good old GOP ready to
tell any lie to protect themselves... You may be correct,
from a legislative point of view, but, frankly, I don't
trust the American public...
Look, I'll be the first to admit that I'm speaking from
self interest... The business is busted, credit rating in
the trash, employment opportunities close to nonexistent,
mortgage payment two months behind... Everything riding
on a web business trying to sell shit to a public not in
the mood to buy... If people stop believing that we are
going to recover, I'm going to be the first one over the
edge. Too much is hanging on belief, which is dangerous.
Expose the GOP and they are going to do their best to
shatter that belief. I remember a statement from a
communications theory class I had back in college... A
system (the Republican Party) will use its last energy to
preserve itself, no matter what the consequences. Expose
them and they will destroy the economy and the country.
Bruce Olin
When the Nixon tapes were exposed, there were enough
Republicans who were patriotic enough to demand his ouster.

The situation is different in that bush,jr/ Cheney and his
administration are out of office but there may have been
federal crimes cdommitted.
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Post by Bruce Olin
Post by Sid9
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some
credibility to their estranged house speaker. But even
if the demagogue witch hangs onto her seat, she's
damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder that
democrats are the out-of-control extremists in
Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by
not telling her about waterboarding, something the
other briefed congress members DO NOT corroborate. So
all this twisting and obfuscation does not distract
from the fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove
her allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream
Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-ahead-with-probe-of-cia-2009-07-13.html
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are
pushing ahead with plans to hold a series of hearings
investigating instances in which intelligence
officials may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement
could come by the end of week, but it was already
clear on Monday that House Democrats are seizing on
weekend news reports that former Vice President Dick
Cheney hid information from Congress.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that the CIA,
under the direction of Cheney, developed a secret
counterterrorism program and then was directed by the
vice president to conceal it from Congress.
The Wall Street Journal first reported that the
program was a classified initiative to kill or capture
al Qaeda operatives. Cheney has not commented on the
media reports.
Members of both the House and the Senate Intelligence
committees learned about the program last week, when
CIA Director Leon Panetta told them in classified
hearings that he had just learned about the program
and had ordered it terminated.
But Panetta also told Democrats and Republicans on the
Intelligence panels that Cheney had directed his
predecessors to conceal the program from all members
of Congress, even the so-called Gang of Eight House
and Senate leaders and top Intelligence committee
members, who are directed under federal law to receive
regular intelligence briefings.
Senior congressional aides said Panetta's latest
briefing angered members of the panels, even though
Panetta had only weeks prior admitted to members of
the Intelligence committees that the CIA had, under
past directors, engaged in obfuscation following the
terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The latest development on Cheney has prodded some
senior Democrats to begin calling for hearings, which
up until late last week had been something many
leading Democrats were hesitant to do.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday
signaled that she would give the House Intelligence
Committee a green light to investigate incidents in
which the CIA misled or lied to Congress, including
times when Cheney was supposedly involved.
"I think that it behooves the committee to take
whatever actions they believe are necessary to get
more information on that subject as to whether the
intelligence community was directed by the vice
president to create a program and intentionally
withhold that information from Congress. And further,
if these same intelligence community people were
asked, 'Is there anything else we should know?'
whether they said yes or whether they said no," Pelosi
told reporters.
Pelosi has previously used the line of looking forward
instead of backwards when pressed on other issues,
such as impeaching President George W. Bush and
prosecuting Bush administration officials. But in the
wake of the Cheney reports, she is allowing her panel
chairmen to act should they choose to do so.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Sunday
said Congress should "absolutely" investigate the
fractured relationship between the intelligence
community and Congress.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking
Democrat in the upper chamber, says some Democrats are
getting ahead of themselves.
In an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on
Monday, Schumer said if there are egregious
violations, they should be investigated.
"As for Vice President Cheney, frankly, everyone is
jumping the gun," Schumer said. "We don't know
enough."
After it was noted that other Democrats are calling
for a probe of Cheney, Schumer replied, "Different
strokes for different folks."
In the lower chamber, two Intelligence panel
Democrats - Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), who heads
the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, and,
separately, Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) - have already
called for hearings.
Yet the panel's chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes
(D-Texas), has not publicly said how he will handle
those, and any other, requests.
"The chairman is reviewing the information and the
options available to him and consulting with the
ranking member," said Courtney Littig, a spokeswoman
for the committee.
Prior to last week, when it was first made public that
Panetta admitted privately to past instances of
misleading briefings, Democrats have had a difficult
time navigating the politics of the intelligence
community's transgressions.
After Pelosi first made the allegation that she had
regularly been misled by the CIA, she and Democrats
were dogged by charges of making their own
questionable claims, which were levied relentlessly by
Republicans who demanded that Pelosi either prove her
claims or apologize for them.
Democrats now believe further revelations about the
degree to which the Bush administration misled
Congress are giving them political cover.
"I think it puts the focus back on the Bush
administration," a Democratic aide said. "The
Republicans attempted to use this as an issue, but
with more and more evidence coming out about the
Bush-Cheney administration circumventing Congress
completely, it shows it's a real red herring."
Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's
involvement through press reports. Last week she told
reporters that she likewise had only heard about
Panetta's admission that agency officials had
repeatedly lied to Congress through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead
Republicans to continue to call on Pelosi to provide
details about how she was misled and when.
MioMyo
2009-07-15 00:34:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by MioMyo
Although failing, dems are attempting to redeem some credibility to their
estranged house speaker. But even if the demagogue witch hangs onto her
seat, she's damaged goods and an excellent poster reminder that democrats
are the out-of-control extremists in Washington.
In the end, the princess pelosi said the CIA lied by not telling her about
waterboarding, something the other briefed congress members DO NOT
corroborate. So all this twisting and obfuscation does not distract from the
fact, the lying bitch cannot back up or prove her allegation......
Either way, it's a win-win scenario for main stream Americans.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/with-pelosis-blessing-dems-push-a...
By Jared Allen
Posted: 07/13/09 07:34 PM [ET]
With their Speaker behind them, House Democrats are pushing ahead with plans
to hold a series of hearings investigating instances in which intelligence
officials may have misled members of Congress.
Senior Democratic aides said that a major announcement could come by the end
of week, but it was already clear on Monday that House Democrats are seizing
on weekend news reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney hid
information from Congress........
...........Pelosi on Monday said she only learned of Cheney's involvement
through press
reports. Last week she told reporters that she likewise had only heard about
Panetta's admission that agency officials had repeatedly lied to Congress
through press reports.
That fact, a senior GOP aide said, will lead Republicans to continue to call
on Pelosi to provide details about how she was misled and when.
<> 60 Votes in the Senate MEEO SHITO.


Will that mean you'll have no more excuse? somehow I doubt it!

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