Discussion:
Interrogation Memos- Where's the TORTURE?
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MioMyo
2009-04-21 10:56:13 UTC
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Instead the only thing bamby has accomplished is to make Americans less
safe.

Read the memos (go into a time-warp dialing your mind-set back to
9-12-2001), then ask yourself if these enhanced interrogation techniques
really qualify as torture....

Memos can be read at:

http://www.rove.com/notes
Garrison Blvd.
2009-04-21 16:57:28 UTC
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Post by MioMyo
Instead the only thing bamby has accomplished is to make Americans less
safe.
Read the memos (go into a time-warp dialing your mind-set back to
9-12-2001), then ask yourself if these enhanced interrogation techniques
really qualify as torture....
http://www.rove.com/notes
Lassie understood math better than you understand how America works.
MioMyo
2009-04-22 00:25:27 UTC
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Post by Garrison Blvd.
Post by MioMyo
Instead the only thing bamby has accomplished is to make Americans less
safe.
Read the memos (go into a time-warp dialing your mind-set back to
9-12-2001), then ask yourself if these enhanced interrogation techniques
really qualify as torture....
http://www.rove.com/notes
Lassie understood math better than you understand how America works.
That certainly explains why you run from discussing the substance of those
interrogation memos....

Huh LIB!
Spartakus
2009-04-28 18:45:50 UTC
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Instead the only thing [Obama] has accomplished is to make Americans
less safe.
Read the memos (go into a time-warp dialing your mind-set back to
9-12-2001), then ask yourself if these enhanced interrogation techniques
really qualify as torture....
Back in 1983, a Texas sheriff and three deputies were prosecuted by
Ronald Reagan's Department of Justice for waterboarding criminal
suspects. They were convicted. The sheriff was sentenced to 10 year
in prison. His deputies got 4 year each. And while I have your
attention, have a look at this:

"The United States participated actively and effectively in the
negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in
the development during this century of international measures
against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment.
Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly
express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent
practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

"The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for
international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of
torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each
State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who
are found in its territory or to extradite them to other
countries for prosecution.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2137_v88/ai_6742034/

That's from President Ronald Reagan's signing statement ratifying the
UN Convention on Torture in 1984. Reagan was adamant about
prosecuting torture, and also inhumane treatment that might not be
looked on as full-on torture. It's funny how John Yoo and others
overlooked these facts when they wrote their pro-torture legal
opinions. Well, not funny in a good way.

Take your time reflecting on how low conservatism in America has
fallen.
MioMyo
2009-04-29 02:08:52 UTC
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Post by Spartakus
Instead the only thing [Obama] has accomplished is to make Americans
less safe.
Read the memos (go into a time-warp dialing your mind-set back to
9-12-2001), then ask yourself if these enhanced interrogation techniques
really qualify as torture....
Back in 1983, a Texas sheriff and three deputies were prosecuted by
Ronald Reagan's Department of Justice for waterboarding criminal
suspects. They were convicted. The sheriff was sentenced to 10 year
in prison. His deputies got 4 year each. And while I have your
"The United States participated actively and effectively in the
negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in
the development during this century of international measures
against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment.
Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly
express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent
practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
"The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for
international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of
torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each
State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who
are found in its territory or to extradite them to other
countries for prosecution.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2137_v88/ai_6742034/
You can cite the article where "Water-Boarding" is specified as torture?
Post by Spartakus
That's from President Ronald Reagan's signing statement ratifying the
UN Convention on Torture in 1984. Reagan was adamant about
prosecuting torture, and also inhumane treatment that might not be
looked on as full-on torture. It's funny how John Yoo and others
overlooked these facts when they wrote their pro-torture legal
opinions. Well, not funny in a good way.
Take your time reflecting on how low conservatism in America has
fallen.
Spartakus
2009-04-29 03:02:18 UTC
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Post by MioMyo
Post by Spartakus
Back in 1983, a Texas sheriff and three deputies were prosecuted by
Ronald Reagan's Department of Justice for waterboarding criminal
suspects.  They were convicted.  The sheriff was sentenced to 10 year
in prison.  His deputies got 4 year each.  And while I have your
    "The United States participated actively and effectively in the
     negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in
     the development during this century of international measures
     against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment.
     Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly
     express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent
     practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
    "The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for
     international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of
     torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each
     State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who
     are found in its territory or to extradite them to other
     countries for prosecution.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2137_v88/ai_6742034/
You can cite the article where "Water-Boarding" is specified as torture?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

"Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of
authorities,
including legal experts,[4][5][30] politicians, war veterans,[6]
[7] intelligence
officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.
[10][11]
David Miliband, the United Kingdom Foreign Secretary described
it as
torture on July 19, 2008, and stated "the UK unreservedly
condemns
the use of torture."[31]

Go read the article to see the sources cited in the footnotes, you
fucking douchebag. And note that Japanese soldiers were sentenced to
many years of hard labor for waterboarding American prisoners of war.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/22/Columns/We_sentenced_Japanese.shtml
Post by MioMyo
Post by Spartakus
That's from President Ronald Reagan's signing statement ratifying the
UN Convention on Torture in 1984.  Reagan was adamant about
prosecuting torture, and also inhumane treatment that might not be
looked on as full-on torture.  It's funny how John Yoo and others
overlooked these facts when they wrote their pro-torture legal
opinions.  Well, not funny in a good way.
Take your time reflecting on how low conservatism in America has
fallen.
A lot of bad things were done in Reagan's name during his time as
President, but this was one of the high points of his administration.
You guys are actually disowning your own beloved Saint Ronnie! Your
cravenness is just astonishing.

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