Bill Zaumen

What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

Bill Z.

2008-12-20 21:55:53 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

... all because his subliminal requests to go on a date were
rebuffed! :-)

Or was it because he lost an argument and can't bear it?

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-20 21:56:05 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

... all because

all because your charade as a Master of Usenet was just that, all along:
a shabby charade, a flimsy façade.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 00:05:32 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

... all because

all because your charade as a Master of Usenet was just that, all
along: a shabby charade, a flimsy façade.

Lying idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 02:44:18 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

... all because

all because your charade as a Master of Usenet was just that, all
along: a shabby charade, a flimsy façade.

[stupid cocksucker's gas]

Funny, billy.

Patriot Games

2008-12-20 22:17:21 UTC

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)

Lacking courage; cowardly.

Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.

(adjective)

Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.

Without spirit or bravery.

Hear it spoken: http://www.espindle.org/audio/words/30471.mp3

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-20 22:20:08 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

Post by Patriot Games
Hear it spoken: http://www.espindle.org/audio/words/30471.mp3

That was astonishing - it said "Bill Zaumen"!

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 00:15:53 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

Patriot Games

2008-12-21 00:51:33 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

ROTFLMAO. BTW, why don't you too obviously self-styled macho
guys try to reach the top of the peak in the following picture?
The view from the top, as I know from first-hand experience, is
spectacular. Plus we got to do a lot of reading during a
nine-day storm.
<http://www.kupreanof.com/the_thumb.jpg>

Uh-oh! SOMEBODY just got CAUGHT LYING!!!

Your photograph comes from the Kupreanof Flying Service website, from
the page: http://www.kupreanof.com/devils_thumb_flying_tours.html

The mountain peak in the photo is called Devils Thumb, in the Stikine
Icecap region of the Alaska-British Columbia border, near Petersburg,
Alaska.

And THIS will be of interest:

Climbing history
"The first ascent of the Devils Thumb [1946] was a landmark in North
American mountaineering. Fred Beckey, along with Clifford Schmidtke,
and Bob Craig, climbed the East Ridge, a route that combined technical
difficulty equal to anything ever climbed on the continent to that
time with great remoteness and terrible weather conditions."

"The infamous Northwest Face has seen only failed attempts starting in
1977 (possibly earlier), through the present; at least three teams
have died on the face."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Thumb

From "pusillanimous" to LIAR in just one day!

Bwahahahahahahahahah!!

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 06:49:49 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
ROTFLMAO. BTW, why don't you too obviously self-styled macho
guys try to reach the top of the peak in the following picture?
The view from the top, as I know from first-hand experience, is
spectacular. Plus we got to do a lot of reading during a
nine-day storm.
<http://www.kupreanof.com/the_thumb.jpg>

Uh-oh! SOMEBODY just got CAUGHT LYING!!!

Nope. You just got caught lying. I've been to the top of it.
You can read an account of our climb in the American Alpine Journal,
Vol. XXII, No. 2, 1980, page 535 (Walt, who wrote the article, accidentally
mispelled my last name but it is phonetically OK and understandable).
You won't find it on-line - there is a partial copy but it does not
include the "Climbs and Expeditions" section where our account appears.
So you'll have to make a trip to the library to read it.

Post by Patriot Games
Your photograph comes from the Kupreanof Flying Service website, from
the page: http://www.kupreanof.com/devils_thumb_flying_tours.html

... yep - I provided a URL to something I found via a google search,
and did not claim it was a picture we took, which predated digital
cameras. The pictures you get while climbing it or while hiking
up the glacier don't give you a good idea of what the peak really
looks like, so I just used the first one I could find using google,
as it showed part of our route.

Post by Patriot Games
The mountain peak in the photo is called Devils Thumb, in the Stikine
Icecap region of the Alaska-British Columbia border, near Petersburg,
Alaska.

Yes, I know.

Post by Patriot Games
Climbing history
"The first ascent of the Devils Thumb [1946] was a landmark in North
American mountaineering. Fred Beckey, along with Clifford Schmidtke,
and Bob Craig, climbed the East Ridge, a route that combined technical
difficulty equal to anything ever climbed on the continent to that
time with great remoteness and terrible weather conditions."

Yes, I know, and I've done a few climbs with Fred Beckey. We had
terrible weather as well - a 9 day storm. Of course, our gear was a lot
better than what Fred had available in 1946 - the technology had improved
considerably.

Post by Patriot Games
From "pusillanimous" to LIAR in just one day!
Bwahahahahahahahahah!!

What a fool you are! But thanks for showing how you jump to
conclusions and get everything wrong.

Patriot Games

2008-12-21 17:52:33 UTC

Uh-oh! SOMEBODY just got CAUGHT LYING!!!

Its here:
http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/535_lower48_aaj1980.pdf

And here:
http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/519_alaska_aaj1980.pdf

Post by Patriot Games
Your photograph comes from the Kupreanof Flying Service website, from
the page: http://www.kupreanof.com/devils_thumb_flying_tours.html

Sure........

Post by Patriot Games
The mountain peak in the photo is called Devils Thumb, in the Stikine
Icecap region of the Alaska-British Columbia border, near Petersburg,
Alaska.

Yes, I know.

Post by Patriot Games
From "pusillanimous" to LIAR in just one day!
Bwahahahahahahahahah!!

What a fool you are! But thanks for showing how you jump to
conclusions and get everything wrong.

Well, Billy, you got some Splainin' to do:

=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

Bill Zaumen
Bill Zaumen is a Usenet troll who inhabits some of the rec.bicycles
hierarchy. He is harmless but tiresome.

Zaumen's usual modus operandi is as follows:

Make a clueless assertion (e.g. helmets good, psychlepaths good,
whatever)

When this is rebutted, accuse those rebutting of being zealots
One of Zaumen's most common tactics is to protest in tones of wounded
innocence that he was not the one being dogmatic. Yet, strangely, it
always seems to be those who cite evidence and show comprehensive
understanding of the subject who are "liars" and "zealots". Zaumen has
never been known to use qualifying terms or to couch his opinion as
anything other than immutable fact - a typical troll, in other words.
The thread where he argued with that other long-time rec.bicycles.*
troll Michael Vandeman was particularly amusing: the two are clearly
made for each other.

An amusing facet of Zaumen's strange internal world is the fact that
he spells his name backwards in his signature to foil spammers. I
don't think spammers use the sig lines, they use email addresses and
headers, but Zaumen thinks they use names from sig lines and ISPs from
headers and combine them to make email addresses. Well, maybe they do,
but nobody else seems to be worried about it.

The dictionary of Zaumenisms
Zaumen's idiocies are sufficiently repeatable that an abbreviated
dictionary of Zaumenisms has been drawn up:

Authoritative: Agreeing with Zaumen
Babble: Trouncing Zaumen's bogus arguments
Baseless: Supported by evidence, e.g. transcripts or cited studies
Content-free: Containing content Zaumen dislikes, esp. when Zaumen
feels the need to evade it in order to maintain his cherished
illusions
Garbage: Reasoned argument, generally with links
Idiocy: Proving that Zaumen is wrong
Ignored:
Zaumen response to inconvenient facts
Where a Zaumen assertion is so self-evidently risible as to be beyond
parody, one is said to have "ignored" it (and thuis, naturally, to
have accepted it as true) if one fails to dignify it with a full and
authoritative response.
Lie: Disagreeing with Zaumen
Misrepresentation: Any statement which disagrees with Zaumen's
interpretation, especially when based on more detailed knowledge
Obvious: That which is self-evidently false but fits with Zaumen's
cherished beliefs
On-Message: Consistency, especially when conflicting with Zaumen's
cherished beliefs
Peeve: Issue on which one disagrees with Zaumen
Rant: Disagreeing with Zaumen, citing evidence
Reasonable: Agreeing with Zaumen, especially when this also means
disagreeing with those who have any actual knowledge of the subject
Shameless: Daring to disagree with Zaumen
Snipped: Evaded by Zaumen, especially of inconvenient facts
Spin: Presenting facts in a way which conflicts with Zaumen's
cherished beliefs
Transference: Challenging Bill's behaviour
Troll: Refusing to let Zaumen get away with a bogus assertion
Untenable: A position is said to be untenable when it conflicts with
Zaumen's cherished beliefs to the extent that he cannot bear to see it
stated
Whining:
Poking fun at Zaumen's trolling;
Calling Zaumen on his double standards.
The Amazing Bell V1
The greatest example of Zaumen idiocy yet recorded is the argument
over the aerodynamic properties of helmets, which saw Zaumen using
studies stating that helmets are less aerodynamic than an unhelmeted
head to "prove" that his Bell V1 helmet was more aerodynamic than an
unhelmeted head.

This thread:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.bicycles.soc/browse_thread/thread/7c6a103b097e436c

...should tell you everything you need to know about this idiot and
why it's not worth arguing with him, other than for entertainment
value.

=======================

From the EXAMPLE above:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004
From: ***@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
Message-ID: <nospam.pacbell.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.233.20.69

From YOUR RECENT POST:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008
From: ***@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
Message-ID: <nospam.pacbell.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.233.20.69

Sure, you're a mountain climber, right, you bet.........

Bwahahahahahah!!

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 18:30:23 UTC

Uh-oh! SOMEBODY just got CAUGHT LYING!!!

http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/535_lower48_aaj1980.pdf
http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/519_alaska_aaj1980.pdf

Uh-oh - now you've done it: unmasterful Zauman is now going to accuse
you of "cyberstalking".

Post by Patriot Games
Your photograph comes from the Kupreanof Flying Service website, from
the page: http://www.kupreanof.com/devils_thumb_flying_tours.html

Sure........

Post by Patriot Games
The mountain peak in the photo is called Devils Thumb, in the Stikine
Icecap region of the Alaska-British Columbia border, near Petersburg,
Alaska.

Yes, I know.

Post by Patriot Games
From "pusillanimous" to LIAR in just one day!
Bwahahahahahahahahah!!

What a fool you are! But thanks for showing how you jump to
conclusions and get everything wrong.

=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

If you do a search in Google on "Bill Zaumen", that's the first link
that comes up. It's really excellent.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 19:51:08 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

ROTFLMAO - Chapman is an anti-bicycle-helmet nut with a grudge.
Nobody takes that twirp seriously.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 20:18:48 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Patriot Games
=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

ROTFLMAO - Chapman is an anti-bicycle-helmet nut with a grudge.

He has you pegged.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 21:47:12 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
He has you pegged.

<http://everywhere.pledgebank.com/nohelmets> has Guy Chapman
as one of the nuts signing this "pledge":

"I will put a sign on my bicycle reading `bike helmets are
stupid---don't wear one' but only if 100 other people in the UK
will do the same."

He's not credible. And you are stupid enough to quote this nut.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 22:51:14 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Rudy Canoza
He has you pegged.

[zaumen evasion]

The "Wiki" on Bill Zaumen is awesome.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 23:45:49 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
He has you pegged.

[zaumen evasion]

The "Wiki" on Bill Zaumen is awesome.

Really? ROTFLMAO. You are a complete and utter idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-22 01:20:53 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
He has you pegged.

[zaumen evasion]

The "Wiki" on Bill Zaumen is awesome.

Really?

Yes. It describes you to a T.

Bill Z.

2008-12-22 05:44:21 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
He has you pegged.

[zaumen evasion]

The "Wiki" on Bill Zaumen is awesome.

Really?

Yes. It describes you to a T.

Idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-22 15:50:32 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
He has you pegged.

[zaumen evasion]

The "Wiki" on Bill Zaumen is awesome.

Really?

Yes. It describes you to a T.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 06:08:38 UTC

... fixed the twirps subject line

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 06:29:53 UTC

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 06:53:08 UTC

... troll

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

Idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 06:53:30 UTC

[gas]

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

[gas]

You blow, Zaumen, you squat-to-piss bitch.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 18:13:43 UTC

[gas]

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

[gas]

You blow, Zaumen, you squat-to-piss bitch.

Try acting like an adult for a change.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 18:24:51 UTC

[gas]

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

[gas]

You blow, Zaumen, you squat-to-piss bitch.

[billy gas]

You really blow.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 22:30:11 UTC

[gas]

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

[gas]

You blow, Zaumen, you squat-to-piss bitch.

[billy gas]

You really blow.

Projection + childish name calling.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-24 06:49:33 UTC

[gas]

... defaced the subject line, being a juvenile little bitch.

Don't worry, little bitch - I fixed it easily.

[gas]

Stupid fuckwit.

Complete and utter

Collapse - yes, you did.

[gas]

You blow, Zaumen, you squat-to-piss bitch.

[billy gas]

You really blow.

[zaumen gas]

You're an idiot.

Bill Z.

2008-12-24 18:14:54 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
You really blow.

[zaumen gas]

You're an idiot.

Projection + childish name calling + snipping anything he can't deal with.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-24 18:37:21 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
You really blow.

[zaumen gas]

You're an idiot.

[zaumen gas]

You're still an idiot.

Bill Z.

2008-12-24 18:56:07 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
You really blow.

[zaumen gas]

You're an idiot.

[zaumen gas]

You're still an idiot.

Projection + childish name calling + snipping anything he can't deal with.
And it is how he interacts with just about everyone.

Patriot Games

2008-12-22 18:44:18 UTC

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:30:23 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Uh-oh! SOMEBODY just got CAUGHT LYING!!!

http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/535_lower48_aaj1980.pdf
http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/519_alaska_aaj1980.pdf

Uh-oh - now you've done it: unmasterful Zauman is now going to accuse
you of "cyberstalking".

Bahahahahahhaa!!!

Post by Patriot Games
Your photograph comes from the Kupreanof Flying Service website, from
the page: http://www.kupreanof.com/devils_thumb_flying_tours.html

Sure........

Post by Patriot Games
The mountain peak in the photo is called Devils Thumb, in the Stikine
Icecap region of the Alaska-British Columbia border, near Petersburg,
Alaska.

Yes, I know.

Post by Patriot Games
From "pusillanimous" to LIAR in just one day!
Bwahahahahahahahahah!!

What a fool you are! But thanks for showing how you jump to
conclusions and get everything wrong.

=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

If you do a search in Google on "Bill Zaumen", that's the first link
that comes up. It's really excellent.

He's a real lunatic...

No wonder he posts from San FranAssCrackWithCrisco!

Bill Z.

2008-12-22 19:57:22 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
If you do a search in Google on "Bill Zaumen", that's the first link
that comes up. It's really excellent.

ROTFLMAO. Look up <http://everywhere.pledgebank.com/nohelmets> for
a "pledge" signed by this Guy Chapman idiot and a handful of other
nuts - they could only find 15 people in England silly enough to
sign it.

Post by Patriot Games
He's a real lunatic...

Projection

Post by Patriot Games
No wonder he posts from San FranAssCrackWithCrisco!

Another lie - I don't live in San Francisco. Even the address
associated with my ISP that you gave was not in San Francisco - it
mentioned Hayward, which is a town on the east side of San Francisco
Bay, about 15 miles south of Berkeley.

You can't get anything right.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 19:49:31 UTC

(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

Post by Patriot Games
=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

ROTFLMAO - Chapman is a usenet troll who was really, really mad at
me for suggesting that wearing a bicycle helmet was a reasonable
decision. He's a grade-A nut job with a grudge, and was mad at
me in particular for claiming that wearing one was a reasonable
personal decision. There are a few of these nuts out there who
have a thing about helmets.

His "belief" is that bicycle helmets are the worst threat to
civilization since Attila the Hun.
<http://www.trianglecycling.com/archive/index.php/t-26445.html>:

What I don't like to see is people that choose not to wear helmets
trying to push their blind faith that helmets are worthless onto
others, ignoring the mountain of evidence that shows their benefit
in head-impact crashes. What's worse than ignoring the evidence is
those that go and make up their own evidence, by intentionally
misinterpreting existing data, and ignoring data that doesn't
support their view. Guy Chapman is famous for this. Frank is
actually even worse. Not only does he quote Guy's
misinterpretation, he adds his own lunacy of walking helmets and
gas masks. Sad.

In any case, after a usenet "discussion", Chapman was so upset that
he put his hit piece on his web site. He's a real fool.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 20:18:27 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

Post by Patriot Games
=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

ROTFLMAO - Chapman is a usenet troll who

Chapman, it seems, has you pegged.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 21:46:14 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro and

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological
blindness, little Billy Zaumen toodled home early from the Castro

(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

Post by Rudy Canoza
=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

ROTFLMAO - Chapman is a usenet troll who

Chapman, it seems, has you pegged.

Patriot Games

2008-12-22 18:48:34 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

Post by Patriot Games
=======================
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bill_Zaumen

ROTFLMAO - Chapman is a usenet troll

You're a lunatic.

Case closed.

Bill Z.

2008-12-22 20:00:12 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

What a liar you are. I even gave you a citation from an AAJ article
proving otherwise. But your sexual obsession speaks for itself -
you must be trying really, really, hard to keep your innermost
nature suppressed.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-22 20:01:55 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Bill Z.

2008-12-22 20:32:50 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
What a liar you are. I even gave you a citation from an AAJ article
proving otherwise. But your sexual obsession speaks for itself -
you must be trying really, really, hard to keep your innermost
nature suppressed.

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying noted and laughed at. As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is, it is your buddy Patriot Games who you should
be talking about - he calls people "gay" enough that it is hard to
believe it is not wishful thinking on his part.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-22 20:35:31 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually self-styled
Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers themselves, call
anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet queer. It's obvious
they're only trying to insult the critic; they have no evidence the
critic is a closet queer, and that one shitty "study" that everyone who
plays The Queer Game reflexively cites was long ago discredited. The
really bizarre thing in it is, despite their self portrayal as Great
Defenders of Queers, these goofs have to insult queers in order to play
The Queer Game - seems to undercut the role-playing.

Bill Z.

2008-12-22 21:20:20 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. "Patriot Games" was going calling people "gay" (in much
cruder terms, suggesting specific sex acts), and that is what
the response referred to - his obvious obsession given how much
he talks about it.

Also, I'm not going to bother to memorize your own peculiar
terminology given what I think of your intelligence.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-22 21:52:08 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 00:09:37 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

What the liar snipped:

Liar. "Patriot Games" was going calling people "gay" (in much
cruder terms, suggesting specific sex acts), and that is what
the response referred to - his obvious obsession given how much
he talks about it.

Also, I'm not going to bother to memorize your own peculiar
terminology given what I think of your intelligence.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 00:52:26 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

[gas]

You know what The Queer Game means, wee billy - you've tried, and
failed, to play it.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 01:57:24 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

[gas]

You know what The Queer Game means, wee billy - you've tried, and
failed, to play it.

Liar - never tried to play that. But you and your friend have
been going around calling all sorts of people "gay" when you had
no way of knowing one way or the other. And given your obsession,
do you think it is surprising that some people start to wonder?

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 01:59:15 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

[gas]

You know what The Queer Game means, wee billy - you've tried, and
failed, to play it.

Liar - never tried to play that.

Of course you did, wee billy. Above, in your snarky reply to PG:
"...you must be trying really, really, hard to keep your innermost
nature suppressed." You're saying he's queer and trying to hide it.
You're saying that because he said something critical of queers and the
queer agenda. That *IS* The Queer Game, wee billy. You tried to play
it. You failed, of course - everyone does. It's a political loser's game.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 03:08:13 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

[gas]

You know what The Queer Game means, wee billy - you've tried, and
failed, to play it.

Liar - never tried to play that.

"...you must be trying really, really, hard to keep your innermost
nature suppressed." You're saying he's queer and trying to hide it.

Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that. Rather, his post consisted of mere name-calling and
descriptions of gay sex acts he was imagining.

So, you lied, but what else is new.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 03:14:40 UTC

Attempt at playing The Queer Game noted and laughed at.

Attempt to cover up lying

No such attempt.

ROTFLMAO.

Post by Bill Z.
As to your "Queer
Game", whatever that is,

You know full well what it is. It is where people, usually
self-styled Great Defenders of Queers but occasionally the queers
themselves, call anyone who criticizes the queer agenda a closet
queer.

Liar. [gas]

No, you know what it is, wee billy. You've been playing it, or rather
attempting to play it, and got your pimply ass kicked *again*.

[gas]

You know what The Queer Game means, wee billy - you've tried, and
failed, to play it.

Liar - never tried to play that.

"...you must be trying really, really, hard to keep your innermost
nature suppressed." You're saying he's queer and trying to hide it.

Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he was, and you immediately tried to play a few hands, or
innings, or periods, or whatever game unit you fuckwits use, of The
Queer Game. You looked stupid, of course, and you failed - of course.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 03:37:32 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he wasn't: he simply was posting the sort of insults you'd
expect to hear in a middle-school boy's locker room. His posts clearly
showed an obsession with gay sex - that's all he was ranting about.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 03:41:06 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he wasn't

Of course he was, and of course you reflexively - and badly, but then
everyone does - played The Queer Game.

Of course.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 05:15:04 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he wasn't

(restored)

Post by Bill Z.
Of course he wasn't: he simply was posting the sort of insults you'd
expect to hear in a middle-school boy's locker room. His posts clearly
showed an obsession with gay sex - that's all he was ranting about.

Of course he was, and of course you reflexively - and badly, but then
everyone does - played The Queer Game.
Of course.

Repeating yourself won't make your lie any less of a lie.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 06:28:21 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he wasn't

(restored)

Of course he was, and of course you reflexively - and badly, but then
everyone does - played The Queer Game.
Of course.

[wee billy's lies]

You knew you were playing The Queer Game all along, billy.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 06:53:23 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he wasn't

(restored)

Of course he was, and of course you reflexively - and badly, but then
everyone does - played The Queer Game.
Of course.

[wee billy's lies]

You knew you were playing The Queer Game all along, billy.

Lying idiot on all counts.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 06:54:04 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Wrong - your definition was regarding people who "criticizes the queer
agenda" (whatever the hell that is) and Patriot Games was not doing
that.

Of course he wasn't

(restored)

Of course he was, and of course you reflexively - and badly, but then
everyone does - played The Queer Game.
Of course.

[wee billy's lies]

You knew you were playing The Queer Game all along, billy.

[zaumen's lying]

You fucking liar - you were playing The Queer Game all along, and
everyone knows it.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 18:14:42 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
You knew you were playing The Queer Game all along, billy.

[zaumen's lying]

(Canoza's lies on top of lies)

Post by Rudy Canoza
You fucking liar - you were playing The Queer Game all along, and
everyone knows it.

Potty-mouthed Lying idiot.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 18:25:21 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
You knew you were playing The Queer Game all along, billy.

[zaumen's lying]

You fucking liar - you were playing The Queer Game all along, and
everyone knows it.

[zaumen fearful evasion]

You got caught.

Tom Sr.

2008-12-23 21:57:00 UTC

--

*THE HOLIDAY SPIRT OF RUDY CANOZA!*

HATE HATE HATE QUEERS HATE LIE
HATE FAGS LIE HATE HATE LIE HATE
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
HATE DYKES HATE HATE QUEERS
HATE LIE HATE LIE HATE LIE HATE
FAGGOTS HATE HATE LIE HATE LIE
LIE LIE HATE HATE LESBOS LIE LIE
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE FAGS
HATE HATE HATE DIRTY QUEERS
HATE HATE LIE LIE LIE HATE HATE
DYKES HATE FAGS HATE LESBOS
HATE HATE QUEERS HATE LIE KIE
HATE QUEERS QUEERS LIE HATE
FAGS FAGGOTS QUEERS LESBOS
LIE HATE LIE HATE HATE QUEERS
HATE LIE HATE HATEHATE HATE
LIE LIE HATE QUEERS QUEERS
QUEERS QUEERS QUEERS HATE
HATE HATE HATE LIE HATE HATE
LIE HATE LIE HATE GAY PEOPLE
HATEHATE HATEHATE HATEHATE
HATEHATEHATE HATEHATEHATE
HATELIEHATELIEHATELIEHATELIE
HATEHATELIHATEHATE DESTROY
--

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-23 21:58:26 UTC

[tommy shit]

You blow, fuckwit.

Patriot Games

2008-12-22 21:59:04 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

What a liar you are. I even gave you a citation from an AAJ article
proving otherwise.

No, YOU DID NOT give the citation, YOU CLAIMED it was NOT online
hoping no one would look for it and find it.

I FOUND IT.

I posted the citation(s). Not YOU.

LIARS are as LIARS do.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 00:08:45 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

What a liar you are. I even gave you a citation from an AAJ article
proving otherwise.

No, YOU DID NOT give the citation, YOU CLAIMED it was NOT online
hoping no one would look for it and find it.

Yes I did give a citation, you bald-faced liar. I searched for it
on-line and they had a "google books" thing with part of that issue,
but the section I referenced wasn't in it - google books does not
reproduce whole books and the page in question was missing (the
whole section, actually).

Post by Patriot Games
I FOUND IT.

No you didn't.

Post by Patriot Games
I posted the citation(s). Not YOU.

No you didn't.

Post by Patriot Games
LIARS are as LIARS do.

You sure are a liar.

Patriot Games

2008-12-23 17:08:30 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

What a liar you are. I even gave you a citation from an AAJ article
proving otherwise.

No, YOU DID NOT give the citation, YOU CLAIMED it was NOT online
hoping no one would look for it and find it.
I FOUND IT.

No you didn't.

Here is the PROOF, saved FOREVER, for the whole world to enjoy as we
urinate in your open mouth:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/d3eb3769b342698a?hl=en

Post by Patriot Games
I posted the citation(s). Not YOU.

No you didn't.

See above.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 18:33:56 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
proving otherwise.

No, YOU DID NOT give the citation, YOU CLAIMED it was NOT online
hoping no one would look for it and find it.
I FOUND IT.

No you didn't.

Here is the PROOF, saved FOREVER, for the whole world to enjoy as we
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/d3eb3769b342698a?hl=en

Post by Patriot Games
I posted the citation(s). Not YOU.

No you didn't.

See above.

No, I posted it giving the specific issue and page number. What you
posted was not a citation, but a URL. EVen funnier, that URL (which
I didn't manage to find - which is why I thought it wasn't available
on-line) backs up everything I said. If you load the URL you provided
(<http://americanalpineclub.org/AAJO/pdfs/1980/519_alaska_aaj1980.pdf>)
and scroll to page 535 [page 17 of the PDF file], you'll see the
account I cited (with my name misspelled slightly - Walt spelled it
phonentically).

You then continued to lie about it. Now, you made an explicit statement
that I had never climbed anything. You complained about a citation and
lied by saying at one point that I had hoped nobody would see it, when
in fact it backs up precisely what I said.

You are simply a pathological liar, incapable of apologizing when any
decent person would. In the URL you gave above, you were clearly caught
making a false accusation, supposedly found a URL that showed your
accusation was false, and instead of apologizing, you posted some lies
from a certified nut case who is almost as much of a nut as you are.

Patriot Games

2008-12-23 22:22:11 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
proving otherwise.

No, YOU DID NOT give the citation, YOU CLAIMED it was NOT online
hoping no one would look for it and find it.
I FOUND IT.

No you didn't.

Here is the PROOF, saved FOREVER, for the whole world to enjoy as we
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/d3eb3769b342698a?hl=en

Post by Patriot Games
I posted the citation(s). Not YOU.

No you didn't.

See above.

Learn to use your computer, Cornhole.

You're dismissed.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 22:31:26 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
proving otherwise.

No, YOU DID NOT give the citation, YOU CLAIMED it was NOT online
hoping no one would look for it and find it.
I FOUND IT.

No you didn't.

Here is the PROOF, saved FOREVER, for the whole world to enjoy as we
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/d3eb3769b342698a?hl=en

Post by Patriot Games
I posted the citation(s). Not YOU.

No you didn't.

See above.

Learn to use your computer, Cornhole.
You're dismissed.

You are an idiot. You were caught lying and still won't admit it.

Bill Z.

2008-12-22 20:17:12 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

Oh, and just for some on-line proof that "Patriot Games" is a bald-faced
liar, look at <http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/arrig/index.htm> where I'm
listed on a first ascent in the Arrigetch Peaks, located in the
Brooks Range (Alaska, just north of the Artic Circle). Also
try <http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/yos/YOSFA.HTM> which lists a first
ascent in Yosemite Valley (a very short climb in this case, rated
5.10a R), with my name slightly mispelled (the 'e' became an 'a').

Patriot Games

2008-12-23 17:22:54 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
(as "Patriot Games" lacks the integrity to apologize for the lies he
just posted).

You never climbed a mountain, but I've no doubt you mounted a climber
more than once.

Actually, that page shows that you chickened out of climbing the North
Face and instead had to be dragged up Wichmann Tower by Dave Dahl,
Jock Richardson, and Walt Vennum in July 1980.

That page also documents how you chickened out twice to climb the East
Ridge and had to hauled up by Dave Dahl, Jock Richardson, and Walt
Vennum also in July 1980.

And THEN it documents how you chickened out three times to climb West
Maiden and had to hauled up by Dave Dahl, Jock Richardson, and Walt
Vennum also in July 1980.

And THEN it documents how you chickened out three times to climb
Citadel and had to hauled up by Dave Dahl, Jock Richardson, and Walt
Vennum also in July 1980.

One item stands out. You must really give good head for Dave, Jock
and Walt to haul you around all the time like a sack of rocks!

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 18:45:34 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Oh, and just for some on-line proof that "Patriot Games" is a bald-faced
liar, look at <http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/arrig/index.htm> where I'm
listed on a first ascent in the Arrigetch Peaks, located in the
Brooks Range (Alaska, just north of the Artic Circle). Also
try <http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/yos/YOSFA.HTM> which lists a first
ascent in Yosemite Valley (a very short climb in this case, rated
5.10a R), with my name slightly mispelled (the 'e' became an 'a').

Actually, that page shows that you chickened out of climbing the North
Face and instead had to be dragged up Wichmann Tower by Dave Dahl,
Jock Richardson, and Walt Vennum in July 1980.

<snip>

What a bald-faced liar. It shows nothing of the kind. It is a list
of climbs.

Here are typical entries:

2. Wichmann Tower, SW Ridge Direct Finish 5.8
Instead of traversing to N Face, climbs a 5.7 and a 5.8 pitch directly up ridge.
FA - Dave Dahl, Jock Richardson, Bill Zaumen, Walt Vennum, 7/1980

28. Pyramid, West Ridge III 5.8
FA - Dave Dahl, Jock Richardson, Bill Zaumen, Walt Vennum, 7/1980

That's all the page is. You are incapable of telling the truth about
anything.

Patriot Games

2008-12-23 22:25:02 UTC

Actually, that page shows that you chickened out of climbing the North
Face and instead had to be dragged up Wichmann Tower by Dave Dahl,
Jock Richardson, and Walt Vennum in July 1980.

<snip>
What a bald-faced liar. It shows nothing of the kind. It is a list
of climbs.

Actually its a combination of failed climbs, something like a dozen in
a single month and then you apparently quit forever (who could blame
you with such a record of failure?), along with a few times your
buddies dragged you along...

Post by Bill Z.
You are incapable of telling the truth about anything.

I got YOUR number, Cornhole.

You're dismissed.

Bill Z.

2008-12-23 22:39:57 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar. It shows nothing of the kind. It is a list
of climbs.

ROTFLMAO! That "single month" included several days walking in and
out to where a float plane picked dropped us off and picked us up,
days when the weather was bad, and the climbs had long approaches that
included going up long talus slopes with several thousand feet of
elevation gain just to get to the start. And the list (which you
snipped of course) is merely a list of ascents in one remote area in
northern Alaska: <http://www.stanford.edu/~clint/arrig/index.htm>.

You previously lied by saying that I had not done any, so I gave
you an example. Then you lie some more.

Post by Bill Z.
You are incapable of telling the truth about anything.

I got YOUR number, Cornhole.
You're dismissed.

Complete and utter idiot + bald-faced liar.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 02:46:29 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

ROTFLMAO.

No, actually, seeing your utter lack of spirit and bravery is rather
dispiriting to the rest of us.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 06:51:32 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

ROTFLMAO.

No, actually, seeing your utter lack of spirit and bravery is rather
dispiriting to the rest of us.

n***@millions.com

2008-12-21 16:57:26 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

ROTFLMAO.

No, actually, seeing your utter lack of spirit and bravery is rather
dispiriting to the rest of us.

Congratulations! despite being an unlicensed, unqualified, and
unprepared psychologist.

Merrt Christmas.

DCI

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 19:20:07 UTC

Post by n***@millions.com

Post by Rudy Canoza
No, actually, seeing your utter lack of spirit and bravery is rather
dispiriting to the rest of us.

Congratulations! despite being an unlicensed, unqualified, and
unprepared psychologist.
Merrt Christmas.

Let's just say that when you've had as many close calls as I have,
you know how people behave who've been in such situations, and they
do not behave like this Canoza twirp.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 19:34:01 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by n***@millions.com

Post by Rudy Canoza
No, actually, seeing your utter lack of spirit and bravery is rather
dispiriting to the rest of us.

Congratulations! despite being an unlicensed, unqualified, and
unprepared psychologist.
Merrt Christmas.

Let's just say that

Let's just say you're not the masterful Usenet presence you like to pretend.

Kurt_Lochner

2008-12-21 19:37:39 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness

That sums your sociopathy quite nicely..

--Keep telling on yourself with your 'projection'..

Patriot Games

2008-12-22 21:15:46 UTC

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:37:39 -0600, Kunt_Lochner
<***@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:09:06 -0600, Kurt_Lochner

YOU FAILED to PROVE that was NOT "software."

You edited a script in a batch file

Prove it.

Done any assembly language? I noticed that you avoided that
part about M/ASM, entirely..

I didn't want to embarrass and humiliate you in public, again, for
trying to change the subject. Especially since I'd JUST SHIT IN YOUR
OPEN MOUTH TWICE IN PUBLIC.

So, as YOU REQUESTED, I will now SHIT IN YOUR OPEN MOUTH IN PUBLIC
again and allow you the opportunity to DEFEND your ATTEMPT to CHANGE
THE SUBJECT.

Begin here:________________________

Feel free to prove you actually have programming skills..
--Instead of just editing what was already written for you.. *>LOL!<*

Are you claiming somebody wrote this for me?

Oh you edited a script that came with the program you downloaded..

Prove it.

Don't have to

You CLAIMED I "edited a script that came with the program you
downloaded."

You were provided the URLs to PROVE THAT CLAIM.

You FAILED to PROVE THAT CLAIM.

You are a PROVEN LIAR.

This, then, represents the Total Internet Destruction of Kunt Lochner.

To celebrate Total Internet Destruction of Kunt Lochner I wrote a
short jingle for you:

(Sung to the tune of "Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone?)

Oh where, oh where has my Pet Nigger gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?

With his ass so spanked and his lack of brawn.
Oh where, oh where can he be?

Kurt_Lochner

2008-12-23 03:14:07 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness

That sums your sociopathy quite nicely..

I didn't want to embarrass and humiliate

Still having delusions of adequacy, Booby Milby Jr.?

Post by Kurt_Lochner
Done any assembly language? I noticed that you avoided that
part about M/ASM, entirely..

*>cricket.wav<*

Thanks for again confirming what a pathetic liar and immature
right-wing retard you are. It goes nicely with your KOTM
and malignant narcissism.. Keep telling on yourself..

--See subject header for clues, collect the whole set!..

Patriot Games

2008-12-23 19:41:01 UTC

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:14:07 -0600, Kurt_Lochner

Done any assembly language? I noticed that you avoided that
part about M/ASM, entirely..

*>cricket.wav<*

I see that you very obviously, very desperately, want to change the
Subject.

But would that be FAIR to the vast Usenet community? Of course it
would NOT be fair to the vast Usenet community! And in the interests
of Truth and Honesty we want to be FAIR to the vast Usenet community,
correct? Of course we do!

So, before GRANTING YOU PERMISSION to change the Subject let's tie up
some loose ends.

1) You claimed there was no "software."

You LIED.

YOU owe the vast Usenet community, AND ME, an APOLOGY for LYING.

Begin your APOLOGY to the vast Usenet community, AND ME, here:___

2) You claimed there was no "compiler."

You LIED.

YOU owe the vast Usenet community, AND ME, an APOLOGY for LYING.

Begin your APOLOGY to the vast Usenet community, AND ME, here:___

3) You claimed that I edited an existing script.

You LIED.

YOU owe the vast Usenet community, AND ME, an APOLOGY for LYING.

Begin your APOLOGY to the vast Usenet community, AND ME, here:___

4) You tried to provide a script that you claimed I edited.

You FAILED to provide that script. You LIED.

YOU owe the vast Usenet community, AND ME, an APOLOGY for LYING.

Begin your APOLOGY to the vast Usenet community, AND ME, here:___

5) The script you did provide DID NOT do what you claimed it did

You LIED.

YOU owe the vast Usenet community, AND ME, an APOLOGY for LYING.

Begin your APOLOGY to the vast Usenet community, AND ME, here:___

Once YOU have completed the REQUIRED apologies I will then GRANT YOU
PERMISSION to change the Subject.

Let's recap shall we?

You claimed it wasn't software.

You were SHOWN TO BE A LIAR.

You claimed it wasn't compiled.

You were SHOWN TO BE A LIAR.

Then you claimed it was a downloaded script I edited.

You were SHOWN TO BE A LIAR.

THEN, in what can only be described as the most pathetic bended-knee
urine-gulping WHINE OF ALL TIME you ADMIT your previous lies WHILE
DEMANDING that I (somehow) PROVE I WROTE IT.

WHAT shall I PROVE I wrote, Kunt? The software YOU SAID didn't exist?
The compiled version YOU SAID didn't exist?

The snippet I posted CONTAINS MY NAME, Kunt!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Feel free to LOCATE this mysterious person somewhere on Earth (or
maybe in Space) who wrote some software to pull data from Usenet posts
EXCEPT they wanted to EXCLUDE MY NAME.....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

OH! My-oh-my-oh-my... How the So-Very-Important (in his own mind) Kunt
Lochner has been beaten to the cold pavement, embarrassed beyond
measure, humiliated in the worst possible way (repeatedly), and
reduced to a sobbing, urine-soaked, drooling lump of total and
complete worthlessness...

Tell everyone Kunt, which is worse:

1) This stunningly horrible punishment that I have delivered upon you;
or,
2) The certain knowledge THAT IT WILL NEVER END?

This, then, represents the Total Internet Destruction of Kunt Lochner.
To celebrate Total Internet Destruction of Kunt Lochner I wrote a
short jingle for you:

(Sung to the tune of "Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone?)

Oh where, oh where has my Pet Nigger gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?

With his ass so spanked and his lack of brawn.
Oh where, oh where can he be?

Kurt_Lochner

2008-12-24 01:55:14 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:14:07 -0600, Kurt_Lochner

Post by Rudy Canoza
beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness

That sums your sociopathy quite nicely..

I didn't want to embarrass and humiliate

Still having delusions of adequacy, Booby Milby Jr.?

Post by Kurt_Lochner
Done any assembly language? I noticed that you avoided that
part about M/ASM, entirely..

*>cricket.wav<*
Thanks for again confirming what a pathetic liar and immature
right-wing retard you are. It goes nicely with your KOTM
and malignant narcissism.. Keep telling on yourself..

I see that you very obviously

Have concluded that you're incapable of a rational discussion,
much less programming a batch file to sort IP headers from a
downloaded text file.. Even your replies look like the result
a script generated response..

--See subject header for clues, collect the whole set!..

Patriot Games

2008-12-24 16:15:31 UTC

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:55:14 -0600, Kunt_Lochner

Post by Kurt_Lochner
Have concluded that you're incapable of a rational discussion,

You're a LIAR.

You're a PROVEN LIAR.

The time for "rational discussion" with YOU, a PROVEN LIAR, has
passed.

Your ONLY purpose in Life now is to be MY URINAL.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:25:38 -0600, Kunt_Lochner

Post by Patriot Games
You are a PROVEN LIAR.

Nope, you've yet to prove you actually wrote that programming snippet..

Oh... My, oh, my have the SELF-IMPORTANT been reduced to licking the
rim of the toilet bowl for a droplet of water....

Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha!!!

My-oh-my-oh-my... How the once-powerful (in his own mind) Kunt Lochner
has been reduced to crawling on his yellow belly to beg for some
recognition....

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHA!!!

My-oh-my-oh-my... How the So-Clever Kunt Lochner has been kicked in
the teeth, stomped like greasy rat and urinated on....

Let's recap shall we?

You claimed it wasn't software.

You were SHOWN TO BE A LIAR.

You claimed it wasn't compiled.

You were SHOWN TO BE A LIAR.

Then you claimed it was a downloaded script I edited.

You were SHOWN TO BE A LIAR.

THEN, in what can only be described as the most pathetic bended-knee
urine-gulping WHINE OF ALL TIME you ADMIT your previous lies WHILE
DEMANDING that I (somehow) PROVE I WROTE IT.

WHAT shall I PROVE I wrote, Kunt? The software YOU SAID didn't exist?
The compiled version YOU SAID didn't exist?

The snippet I posted CONTAINS MY NAME, Kunt!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Feel free to LOCATE this mysterious person somewhere on Earth (or
maybe in Space) who wrote some software to pull data from Usenet posts
EXCEPT they wanted to EXCLUDE MY NAME.....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

OH! My-oh-my-oh-my... How the So-Very-Important (in his own mind) Kunt
Lochner has been beaten to the cold pavement, embarrassed beyond
measure, humiliated in the worst possible way (repeatedly), and
reduced to a sobbing, urine-soaked, drooling lump of total and
complete worthlessness...

Tell everyone Kunt, which is worse:

1) This stunningly horrible punishment that I have delivered upon you;
or,

2) The certain knowledge THAT IT WILL NEVER END?

This, then, represents the Total Internet Destruction of Kunt Lochner.

To celebrate Total Internet Destruction of Kunt Lochner I wrote a
short jingle for you:

(Sung to the tune of "Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone?)

Oh where, oh where has my Pet Nigger gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?

With his ass so spanked and his lack of brawn.
Oh where, oh where can he be?

Have a Nice Day, Kunt!

Kurt_Lochner

2008-12-24 16:32:03 UTC

- - - - - -

Done any assembly language? I noticed that you avoided that
part about M/ASM, entirely..

*>cricket.wav<*
Thanks for again confirming what a pathetic liar and immature
right-wing retard you are. It goes nicely with your KOTM
and malignant narcissism.. Keep telling on yourself..

I see that you very obviously

The time for "rational discussion" with YOU, [..], has passed.

Yeah, all that's left is the constant humiliations that are
being heaped upon you by the entire Usenet on a daily basis..

--See subject header for clues, collect the whole set!..

Patriot Games

2008-12-21 00:38:20 UTC

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

Post by Patriot Games
Hear it spoken: http://www.espindle.org/audio/words/30471.mp3

That was astonishing - it said "Bill Zaumen"!

And it said that in such a pusillanimously timid and meek way!

Totally astonishing!

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 06:52:54 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

Post by Patriot Games
Hear it spoken: http://www.espindle.org/audio/words/30471.mp3

That was astonishing - it said "Bill Zaumen"!

What a liar.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 07:12:40 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.
Lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity.
(adjective)
Ignobly lacking in courage: chickenhearted, cowardly, craven,
dastardly, faint-hearted, lily-livered, unmanly. Slang chicken,
gutless, yellow, yellow-bellied. See fear/courage.
Without spirit or bravery.

Describes wee billy zaumen to a T.

Post by Patriot Games
Hear it spoken: http://www.espindle.org/audio/words/30471.mp3

That was astonishing - it said "Bill Zaumen"!

And it said that in such a pusillanimously timid and meek way!
Totally astonishing!

Two idiots.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 00:07:11 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.

Did you just discover that there are books called dictionaries?

Both of you are pretty sorry characters.

Patriot Games

2008-12-21 00:54:43 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.

Did you just discover that there are books called dictionaries?
Both of you are pretty sorry characters.

But neither of us are San Francisco FAGGOTS!

From: ***@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.233.20.69
209.233.20.69 = Hayward (San Francisco), CA.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

And NEITHER of us LIED about climbing a mountain!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

Go eat some DICK, Billy, you feel better.

hahahahaha!!

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 06:58:39 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.

Did you just discover that there are books called dictionaries?
Both of you are pretty sorry characters.

But neither of us are San Francisco FAGGOTS!
[IP address] = Hayward (San Francisco), CA.

ROTFLMAO! The address is owned by AT&T, which has facilities all
around the Bay Area.

Post by Patriot Games
Bwahahahahahahaha!!
And NEITHER of us LIED about climbing a mountain!

Actually, you did lie, and made a fool of yourself. In a separate
reply, I gave you a reference to a published account. Read it.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 02:44:56 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s)
Lacking courage; cowardly.

Did you just discover that there are books called dictionaries?

You stupid fuckwit, billy: you've quoted from dictionaries to try to
make your stupid fuckwitted leftwing points before.

Too funny, billy.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 07:00:00 UTC

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.

Did you just discover that there are books called dictionaries?

You stupid fuckwit, billy: you've quoted from dictionaries to try to
make your stupid fuckwitted leftwing points before.
Too funny, billy.

I'd give a quote from a dictionary when people misused a word. That
is not what you were doing.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 16:32:16 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,

Post by Patriot Games
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:23:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza

Post by Rudy Canoza
What a pusillanimous, pathetic little twit he turned out to be.

pusillanimous (pyu's?-lan'?-m?s) Lacking courage; cowardly.

Did you just discover that there are books called dictionaries?

You stupid fuckwit, billy: you've quoted from dictionaries to try to
make your stupid fuckwitted leftwing points before.
Too funny, billy.

I'd give a quote from a dictionary when people misused a word.

No, you cite them to make stupid fuckwitted leftwing points.

Bill Z.

2008-12-21 19:16:39 UTC

Post by Rudy Canoza
Too funny, billy.

I'd give a quote from a dictionary when people misused a word.

No, you cite them to make stupid fuckwitted leftwing points.

Liar.

Rudy Canoza

2008-12-21 19:31:45 UTC

beaten, exhausted, but unable to stop because of ideological blindness,