EXAMINER re DC in Honduran Coup d'Etat

[Hal Womack 3-dan]

_Chavez pleads for the dismantling of U.S. bases_

August 16, 5:12 PM · Michelle Andujar - Salem Foreign Policy Examiner

Many Latin American leaders and political analysts, such as James
Petras, have accused the U.S. of being behind the military coup that
ousted President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras on June 28.

The witnesses include Zelaya himself, who told Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez that after he was kidnapped out of his home by military
men, he was taken on a plane directly to the U.S. military base of
Palmerola, in Honduras, where American soldiers exchanged words with
the military men and then decided to send him to Costa Rica (link).

The Obama administration publicly denounced the coup, but didn't
impose trade sanctions against the de facto government led by business
leader Roberto Micheletti, sparking criticism over the lack of
pressure to defend the legitimate ruler of the country.

Recently, Chavez, Zelaya, and other Latin American leaders have
expressed discontent over an increased American military presence in
the region, especially in Colombia.

For President Obama, it's all or nothing. He says that Latin American
leftists leaders are hypocritical when they criticize an increased
U.S. military involvement in the region while at the same time they
complaint about the lack of U.S. support for Zelaya.

But President Chavez clarified to Mr. Obama: "We are not asking you to
intervene in Honduras, to the contrary, we are asking the empire to
remove its claws from Honduras and from Latin America ... and to
dismantle the base at Guantanamo, where people are tortured." He also
pleaded for Colombians to protect their national dignity by not
allowing more American bases in their territory.

Chavez added that Venezuela would be the first target of the American
bases in Colombia, Aruba and Curacao: "They are surrounding us! Has
anyone failed to notice?" (link).

He added that if Venezuela is attacked, there would be a worldwide
response. "Many countries would take up arms [to defend Venezuela]."

Notably, Venezuela has a defense agreement with Iran. If either
country gets attacked, the other would retaliate in its defense.

For more information:

U.S. bases in Colombia

Chavez warns of retaliation in face of an attack

Chavez clarifies plea to U.S.

Obama's Rollback Strategy (James Petras)

El Golpe en Honduras y las bases en Colombia expresan la ofensive de
EE.UU. (James Petras)
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Hal Womack says:
Obomber's a ribbon-cutter created by a PR committee from Mad Ave,
just up the street, you know, from Goldman Sachs on Wall. These days
they're even running out of ribbon for him, though. Have the Banksters
looted only $12 trillion --or is it $23 T by now? Hugo Chavez OTOH is
a man who looks after his people.

The U.S. planetary empire of nearly 1000 military bases in a hundred
foreign countries = the bootprint of that aggression which the
International Military Tribunal sitting at Nuremberg in 1945 denounced
as the worst crime known to our human race and which includes all
other crimes.

In the last two decades alone, the U.S.Gov has murdered millions of
victims in the occupied countries of Iraq, Afghanistan and Colombia.
The Pentagon and its accomplice institutions of tyranny threaten
Americans as well as honest people everywhere else in the world.

And this but 1 step on the road toward the door of truth. Readers
seeking more space for discussion: "ba.politics" Usenet newsg
August 16, 8:51 PM
===========================

Only thanks to Michelle Andujar's column have I learned that the
Honduran junta's first stop in the execution of the coup was the U.S.
airbase.

One wonders how Obomber's Handlers broke the news to him. Maybe we
should email Chief of Staff Rahm Israel Emanuel to find out? Speaking
of which, late news item re Israelis now training Honduran regime
paramilitaries to repress demonstrations.

[Michelle]

Thank you very much for your support!
My entire goal is to bring to light facts and news that come out in in
the Spanish speaking world but are little known in the U.S.
I'm very happy to see that I've had an impact already, only a few days
into my news blog.
I will do my best to continue to cover and translate what I consider
to be important information.
Thanks again,
Michelle

[Dank 110100100]

Post by Hal Womack 3-dan
_Chavez pleads for the dismantling of U.S. bases_
August 16, 5:12 PM · Michelle Andujar - Salem Foreign Policy Examiner
Many Latin American leaders and political analysts, such as James
Petras, have accused the U.S. of being behind the military coup that
ousted President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras on June 28.
The witnesses include Zelaya himself, who told Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez that after he was kidnapped out of his home by military
men, he was taken on a plane directly to the U.S. military base of
Palmerola, in Honduras, where American soldiers exchanged words with
the military men and then decided to send him to Costa Rica (link).
The Obama administration publicly denounced the coup, but didn't
impose trade sanctions against the de facto government led by business
leader Roberto Micheletti, sparking criticism over the lack of
pressure to defend the legitimate ruler of the country.

There was no coup in Honduras. Article 239 of the Honduran
constitution forbids a president from modifying the constitution to
extend his term in office, and the penalty is the immediate removal
from office and a ban on holding public office for ten years. Manuel
Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he attempted to distribute
the term limit referendum ballots, so he was not deposed by the
military. In fact, the Honduran supreme court had ruled unanimously
that Zelaya had violated the constitution, and had issued an arrest
warrant which was served by the military.

Leftists do not care about constitutions or rule of law, they only
care about power. Keep in mind that the Honduran people had a very
good reason for including Article 239 in their constitution, to
protect themselves from power-hungry dictators like Manuel Zelaya.
Too bad the Venezuelan people weren't clever enough to include a
similar clause in their own constitution.

Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution:

[Actual Spanish Text]

El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo
no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República.

El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por
diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.


[English Translation]

No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can
be President or Vice-President.

Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those
that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately
cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office
for a period of 10 years.

[Michelle]

I don't think that the text of the law you mention says that anyone
who attempts to change the constitution should be arrested.

Hal, very interesting information about Israel's involvement in
Honduras. Can you point out a few sources?

Thank you.

[Dank 110100100]

Post by Michelle
I don't think that the text of the law you mention says that anyone
who attempts to change the constitution should be arrested.

All I know is the Honduran supreme court issued an arrest warrant, in
a unanimous decision which included a majority of judges of Zelaya's
own political party. Maybe he was arrested for trespassing.

Post by Michelle
Hal, very interesting information about Israel's involvement in
Honduras. Can you point out a few sources?

Israel is blamed for lots of things. Try as I might, I can't imagine
any reason why a country like Israel with so many other problems would
concern itself with Central American politics. Sounds like Chávez
propaganda intended to distract people from the truth.

[tschmidtundert]

Post by Hal Womack 3-dan
_Chavez pleads for the dismantling of U.S. bases_
August 16, 5:12 PM · Michelle Andujar - Salem Foreign Policy Examiner
Many Latin American leaders and political analysts, such as James
Petras, have accused the U.S. of being behind the military coup that
ousted President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras on June 28.
The witnesses include Zelaya himself, who told Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez that after he was kidnapped out of his home by military
men, he was taken on a plane directly to the U.S. military base of
Palmerola, in Honduras, where American soldiers exchanged words with
the military men and then decided to send him to Costa Rica (link).
The Obama administration publicly denounced the coup, but didn't
impose trade sanctions against the de facto government led by business
leader Roberto Micheletti, sparking criticism over the lack of
pressure to defend the legitimate ruler of the country.

There was no coup in Honduras.  Article 239 of the Honduran
constitution forbids a president from modifying the constitution to
extend his term in office, and the penalty is the immediate removal
from office and a ban on holding public office for ten years.  Manuel
Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he attempted to distribute
the term limit referendum ballots, so he was not deposed by the
military.  In fact, the Honduran supreme court had ruled unanimously
that Zelaya had violated the constitution, and had issued an arrest
warrant which was served by the military.
Leftists do not care about constitutions or rule of law, they only
care about power.  Keep in mind that the Honduran people had a very
good reason for including Article 239 in their constitution, to
protect themselves from power-hungry dictators like Manuel Zelaya.
Too bad the Venezuelan people weren't clever enough to include a
similar clause in their own constitution.
[Actual Spanish Text]
El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo
no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República.
El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por
diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.
[English Translation]
No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can
be President or Vice-President.
Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those
that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately
cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office
for a period of 10 years.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.

T.Schmidt
P.S. Whoever defends the coup is also a monkey, of a lower status.

[Hal Womack 3-dan]

In response to the request by Michelle Andujar, herewith the cite:

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http://tinyurl.com/nnywd7

{Israeli commandos in Honduras
August 13, 2009 · 14 Comments

UPDATE: Machetera was provided with a transcript of this interview for
translation and had difficulties downloading the audio. A Tlaxcala
colleague who was able to listen to the audio provided a missing piece
and a correction, indicated in green, below. Regarding the proof,
please see this story published last spring in La Jornada (don’t
worry, it’s in English, thanks to yours truly) and then ask yourself
what the chances are that Andrés Pavón and Dick Emanuelsson are making
the whole thing up.

Interview with René Andrés Pavón, President of the Honduran Human
Rights Commission (CODEH)

Israeli Commandos with Experience in Palestine and Colombia are
Training the Honduran Armed Forces

Author: Dick Emanuelsson

Translation: Machetera

There are paramilitary structures that are working in coordination
with the armed forces, says the undisputed leader of the human rights
struggle in Honduras, Andrés Pavón, in regard to the latest casualty
of the dictatorship of the Honduran putschists.

It’s not that strange. The main professors of state terrorism come
from the Zionist state in order to teach their methods of death,
intelligence and terror, and they know how to sustain a state against
a population that is fighting for its constitutional rights or
recognition. Or, as in Honduras’s case, for the re-establishment of
democracy. The interview with Andrés Pavon follows and can also be
heard here.

Tegucigalpa – August 2, 2009 – We’re facing the COPEMH building, which
is the professional association for middle education, and we also are
speaking with Dr. René Andrés Pavón, who is the President of the
Honduran Human Rights Commission (CODEH).

Dick Emanuelsson (DE): Yesterday CODEH put out a news release
denouncing a variety of things, among them that Micheletti’s de facto
government has contracted with Israeli commandos or people to train
the Honduran military/police forces. What we know from the civil war
in Colombia is that these commandos have also been advising the
Colombian military forces. What are the Israelis doing here?

Andrés Pavón (AP): Until now what we know is that their mission is to
prepare the Armed Forces and the police to aggressively and violently
dissuade the demonstrations, by committing crimes of a selective
nature in order to build fear, staged terror, and achieve a
dismantling of the resistance. Other actions they are undertaking
involve certain employees of private security firms putting on police
uniforms and acting aggressively against the demonstrators. The
police have already sort of been trained to dissuade demonstrations
and are a bit fearful about attacking the demonstrators so that it’s
as if a bit of their human rights training lingers. On the other
hand, the security guards are being paid double and their immunity is
guaranteed. These are the practices that they are developing, using
the experience of the conflict in Palestine and after having put into
practice some of these actions in Colombia.}

--snip--

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Post by tschmidtundert

Post by Hal Womack 3-dan
_Chavez pleads for the dismantling of U.S. bases_
August 16, 5:12 PM · Michelle Andujar - Salem Foreign Policy Examiner
Many Latin American leaders and political analysts, such as James
Petras, have accused the U.S. of being behind the military coup that
ousted President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras on June 28.
The witnesses include Zelaya himself, who told Venezuelan President
Hugo Chavez that after he was kidnapped out of his home by military
men, he was taken on a plane directly to the U.S. military base of
Palmerola, in Honduras, where American soldiers exchanged words with
the military men and then decided to send him to Costa Rica (link).
The Obama administration publicly denounced the coup, but didn't
impose trade sanctions against the de facto government led by business
leader Roberto Micheletti, sparking criticism over the lack of
pressure to defend the legitimate ruler of the country.

There was no coup in Honduras.  Article 239 of the Honduran
constitution forbids a president from modifying the constitution to
extend his term in office, and the penalty is the immediate removal
from office and a ban on holding public office for ten years.  Manuel
Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he attempted to distribute
the term limit referendum ballots, so he was not deposed by the
military.  In fact, the Honduran supreme court had ruled unanimously
that Zelaya had violated the constitution, and had issued an arrest
warrant which was served by the military.
Leftists do not care about constitutions or rule of law, they only
care about power.  Keep in mind that the Honduran people had a very
good reason for including Article 239 in their constitution, to
protect themselves from power-hungry dictators like Manuel Zelaya.
Too bad the Venezuelan people weren't clever enough to include a
similar clause in their own constitution.
[Actual Spanish Text]
El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo
no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República.
El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por
diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.
[English Translation]
No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can
be President or Vice-President.
Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those
that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately
cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office
for a period of 10 years.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.
T.Schmidt
P.S. Whoever defends the coup is also a monkey, of a lower status.

[Dank 110100100]

Post by tschmidtundert
The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.

The Honduran army acted on orders from the Honduran supreme court. I
am not an expert in Honduran law, so I don't know why the regular
police didn't serve the warrant, but apparently the supreme court
believed the military was the best choice.

A coup is the use of military force to remove a legitimate leader.
Since Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he violated Article
239, there was no coup.

[tschmidtundert]

Post by tschmidtundert
The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.

The Honduran army acted on orders from the Honduran supreme court.  I
am not an expert in Honduran law, so I don't know why the regular
police didn't serve the warrant, but apparently the supreme court
believed the military was the best choice.
A coup is the use of military force to remove a legitimate leader.
Since Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he violated Article
239, there was no coup.

He had to be removed first. And there was no trial. So legally he was
president. He also is the head of the Army and the Court has nothnig
to do with National Security. They are the ones that should be put in
jail.

T.Schmidt
P.S. I stand fast in my comments.

[Hal Womack 3-dan]

Who deserves the credit for first breaking the story in the English-
language media about the key role of the U.S. airbase in Honduras in
the execution of the coup?

About 3' of research suffices to reveal the nameless shill* on this
thread for Obama's gorillas as yet another Jewish Usenet psywar op.
(See below, #1.) Such a surprise that, eh what? Only about a thousand
precedents therefor in my threads alone. Let's call this one "FAB1"
in contempt of Feinstein And Boxer, California's two treasonous Jewess
Senators.

Jewish SOP in these political discussions = precisely for some such
anonymous & therefore entirely disposable hired sqawker to introduce a
screwball argument so as to try to delay general recognition of a bare
fact embarrassing to JAPE aka the Jewish-American Planetary Empire. A
group of normal aka "gentile" honest souls are standing in a plaza at
noon on a bright, sunny day. Along comes the Jew to throw dust at
their eyes, crying out that the hour strikes midnight. The Honduran
coup only one in a very long list of such examples which include
present threats of nuclear attack against Iran, huge massacres of
Palestinian prisoners, dropping millions of bomblets on Lebanon, the
assassination of JFK, the 9/11 stunt etc. ad nauseam.

One way for us Just Folk to make a profit from this sort of
intervention = to take Israeli-manufactured "talking point" from the
paws of the Anonymous Shill & kick it back upstairs to officials who
can be held accountable for their statements.
Scarf FAB's text and barf it on the Central American desk of Hillary's
State Department, also Obomber's Justice Department, laughingly so
called. See if the Regime officials will dare to respond to our
request for comment. All they have to do = look out their window to
see Just Folks chewing on the legs of their immediate predecessors in
the DC biz of torturing & murdering innocents. There are also, of
course, honorable authorities whom we could approach in Cuba,
Nicaragua, Venezuela and Spain.

Let's parse the following piece of Jewhine:

"Israel is blamed for lots of things. Try as I might, I can't imagine
any reason why a country like Israel with so many other problems would
concern itself with Central American politics. Sounds like Chávez
propaganda intended to distract people from the truth."

I reply that Israel does indeed get "blamed for lots of things", a few
of which have already been mentioned. Israel deserves, however, a lot
more blame and, especially, punishment for its crimes. Also, the ones
blaming Israel are ordinary honest people around the world, whereas
the corrupt tools of the Jews, who infest all U.S. institutions, are
singing Israel's praises and shoveling our money to it. The inquiring
reader is encouraged to check out Congressional websites, the
Sulzbergerz' NYT, Bronstein's SF CHRONICLE, etc. in order to remind
herself how the clique still in power in the US doggedly lick the
bloody sole of the Jewish boot.

This shameless shill who, thanks to the Israeli propaganda apparat,
can quote verbatim from the Honduran Constitution in the original
Spanish, pretends to have forgotten Israel's
role as arms supplier to the Guatemalan junta in the 1980's as it
massacred Mayans by the hundreds of thousands. We have noted the
ironic cynicism of FAB's complaint about "propaganda intended to
distract people from the truth".

In truth, Obomber has definitively revealed himself to be
Condy Rice with a pecker, Colin Powell in civvies. Obomber, already
soaked in blood from his bombing of humble villages in Afghanistan &
Pakistan, is now blatantly loosing the monster of U.S. imperialism in
Latin America.

We now have both the opportunity & the duty to plaster Obomber as a
war criminal cut from the same cloth as his detested predecessor
SonnaBush. President Zelaya to return to Honduras and the felon in the
White House to be removed. Expose the Jewish intriguers & their bought
_goyim_. Can you say, "Nancy Pelosi"?

Now beeps the hour when the emerging leadership of our Planet Earth
begins to topple the second system of tyranny.
First the fall of Euro-Jewish Crummunism, next the collapse
of JA Crapitalism. More power to Chavez, to Zelaya, to Cynthia
McKinney and to all those seeking racial harmony through justice!

* {Dank 110100100 <***@rocketmail.com>}
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From: dank <***@rocketmail.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad! Viva Iran! Nuke Ersatz israel!

{Why do you keep trying to drag Jews into this? I hate Iran because
it
is hostile to the USA. One of my most vivid childhood memories was of
the Iran Hostage Crisis, watching the ragheaded fanatics on television
screaming "Death to America!" as they held my people hostage and
threatened to kill them.

Americans hate Iran so much that we were willing to tolerate
supporting Saddam Hussein, hoping that he would destroy you and save
us the trouble of having to do it ourselves.

I am also anti-religious and a self-described satanist, and do not
respect the cult of christianity any more than the cult of islam. I
do not recognize theocratic forms of government, and the unelected
ayatollahs have no authority to rule. Their only claim of authority
comes from growing a long ratty beard, wrapping a rag around their
head, and the ability to recite a few verses from the koran.

I spit on your koran, and may your ayatollah choke to death on a dog's
testicle while giving him a blowjob.}

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Post by tschmidtundert

Post by tschmidtundert
The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.

The Honduran army acted on orders from the Honduran supreme court.  I
am not an expert in Honduran law, so I don't know why the regular
police didn't serve the warrant, but apparently the supreme court
believed the military was the best choice.
A coup is the use of military force to remove a legitimate leader.
Since Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he violated Article
239, there was no coup.

He had to be removed first. And there was no trial. So legally he was
president. He also is the head of the Army and the Court has nothnig
to do with National Security. They are the ones that should be put in
jail.
T.Schmidt
P.S. I stand fast in my comments.

[Hal Womack 3-dan]

http://tinyurl.com/nr9kt7

Thursday, August 20, 2009
Petras: Understanding the overthrow

James Petras from Rebelion

Aug. 18, 2009

http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=90206

How to understand this overthrow in Honduras ?

First is the integration of the Honduran army within the U.S. military
system. I say that not as an ideological expression but based on many
years of observation and empirical research. The whole official layer
of generals down to lieutenants in Honduras is trained in the United
States, under the tutelage of U.S. officials. The U.S. officials
operate from the Honduran defense ministry. There are consultations—
not only on a daily basis but hour-by-hour they consult with each
other on every military and political project of the United States in
Central American and the Caribbean.

It is absolutely false that the military acts on its own. Also false
that U.S. officials simply "knew" about preparations for the coup, as
some rumors or reports say. That is they knew, consulted, planned and
analyzed the consequences. For that reason when the coup occurs, and
afterwards there is a great unanimous reaction from Latin America and
countries outside the region, Mrs. Clinton immediately tries to
distance the United States, but doesn't take the position congruent
with the rest which was to condemn the coup. She invented the phrase,
"interim government," as if it were just another transitional
government. That is the best indication that Washington, in the face
of the huge opposition of even its most servile allies who were
condemning the coup, had to elaborate a two-track policy: one was the
public one which was the criticism of the coup, but in practice
opposing Zelaya's return.

The operative policy was to see how any negotiation process could be
dragged out in a less unfavorable space, because the OAS is
unfavorable territory. The United States had to protect its client in
Honduras, wedged between hostile governments. So another space was
invented with Mr. Arias, a notorious supporter of Washington and the
free trade agreement in Costa Rica who has earned points in the United
States for his criticisms of Chavez. Clinton manages to change the
site, marginalizing the OAS and at the same time strengthening support
for the puppet government. Now Clinton has no commitments of principle
with Micheletti, the coup government. She is willing to sacrifice him
if another one comes along, another change, anybody except Zelaya.

This tactic of dragging out the negotiations is part Washington's
policy. Now a final point: Some misinformed people in Latin America
say that Washington's coup policy is the product of officials, what
they call the "ultra-right," such as Otto Reich, such as John
Negroponte. This is absolutely false; it's creation of their
fantasies. They don't make policy at the present time in the United
States. They have no power over the armed forces. It's Clinton, it's
Obama, it's the Pentagon, the State Department, and the White House
who make policy. These critics who go around inventing an "ultra-
right" as authors of policy want to absolve Obama. They refuse to
understand or they are ignorant of how U.S. policy works. At this time
Obama carries out a two-faced policy: a friendly, amiable discourse
and an aggressive, violent practice.
Posted by Diana Barahona at 6:16 PM

[Courtesy Crosspost --HW]

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Post by Hal Womack 3-dan
Who deserves the credit for first breaking the story in the English-
language media about the key role of the U.S. airbase in Honduras in
the execution of the coup?
About 3' of research suffices to reveal the nameless shill* on this
thread for Obama's gorillas as yet another Jewish Usenet psywar op.
(See below, #1.) Such a surprise that, eh what? Only about a thousand
precedents therefor in my threads alone. Let's call this one "FAB1"
in contempt of Feinstein And Boxer, California's two treasonous Jewess
Senators.
Jewish SOP in these political discussions = precisely for some such
anonymous & therefore entirely disposable hired sqawker to introduce a
screwball argument so as to try to delay general recognition of a bare
fact embarrassing to JAPE aka the Jewish-American Planetary Empire. A
group of normal aka "gentile" honest souls are standing in a plaza at
noon on a bright, sunny day. Along comes the Jew to throw dust at
their eyes, crying out that the hour strikes midnight. The Honduran
coup only one in a very long list of such examples which include
present threats of nuclear attack against Iran, huge massacres of
Palestinian prisoners, dropping millions of bomblets on Lebanon, the
assassination of JFK, the 9/11 stunt etc. ad nauseam.
One way for us Just Folk to make a profit from this sort of
intervention = to take Israeli-manufactured "talking point" from the
paws of the Anonymous Shill & kick it back upstairs to officials who
can be held accountable for their statements.
Scarf FAB's text and barf it on the Central American desk of Hillary's
State Department, also Obomber's Justice Department, laughingly so
called. See if the Regime officials will dare to respond to our
request for comment. All they have to do = look out their window to
see Just Folks chewing on the legs of their immediate predecessors in
the DC biz of torturing & murdering innocents. There are also, of
course, honorable authorities whom we could approach in Cuba,
Nicaragua, Venezuela and Spain.
"Israel is blamed for lots of things.  Try as I might, I can't imagine
any reason why a country like Israel with so many other problems would
concern itself with Central American politics.  Sounds like Chávez
propaganda intended to distract people from the truth."
I reply that Israel does indeed get "blamed for lots of things", a few
of which have already been mentioned. Israel deserves, however, a lot
more blame and, especially, punishment for its crimes. Also, the ones
blaming Israel are ordinary honest people around the world, whereas
the corrupt tools of the Jews, who infest all U.S. institutions, are
singing Israel's praises and shoveling our money to it. The inquiring
reader is encouraged to check out Congressional websites, the
Sulzbergerz' NYT, Bronstein's SF CHRONICLE, etc. in order to remind
herself how the clique still in power in the US doggedly lick the
bloody sole of the Jewish boot.
This shameless shill who, thanks to the Israeli propaganda apparat,
can quote verbatim from the Honduran Constitution in the original
Spanish, pretends to have forgotten Israel's
role as arms supplier to the Guatemalan junta in the 1980's as it
massacred Mayans by the hundreds of thousands. We have noted the
ironic cynicism of FAB's complaint about "propaganda intended to
distract people from the truth".
In truth, Obomber has definitively revealed himself to be
Condy Rice with a pecker, Colin Powell in civvies. Obomber, already
soaked in blood from his bombing of humble villages in Afghanistan &
Pakistan, is now blatantly loosing the monster of U.S. imperialism in
Latin America.
We now have both the opportunity & the duty to plaster Obomber as a
war criminal cut from the same cloth as his detested predecessor
SonnaBush. President Zelaya to return to Honduras and the felon in the
White House to be removed. Expose the Jewish intriguers & their bought
_goyim_. Can you say, "Nancy Pelosi"?
Now beeps the hour when the emerging leadership of our Planet Earth
begins to topple the second system of tyranny.
First the fall of Euro-Jewish Crummunism, next the collapse
of JA Crapitalism. More power to Chavez, to Zelaya, to Cynthia
McKinney and to all those seeking racial harmony through justice!
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns, alt.military.retired, soc.veterans,
soc.culture.iranian, alt.politics.homosexuality
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad! Viva Iran! Nuke Ersatz israel!
{Why do you keep trying to drag Jews into this?  I hate Iran because
it
is hostile to the USA.  One of my most vivid childhood memories was of
the Iran Hostage Crisis, watching the ragheaded fanatics on television
screaming "Death to America!" as they held my people hostage and
threatened to kill them.
Americans hate Iran so much that we were willing to tolerate
supporting Saddam Hussein, hoping that he would destroy you and save
us the trouble of having to do it ourselves.
I am also anti-religious and a self-described satanist, and do not
respect the cult of christianity any more than the cult of islam.  I
do not recognize theocratic forms of government, and the unelected
ayatollahs have no authority to rule.  Their only claim of authority
comes from growing a long ratty beard, wrapping a rag around their
head, and the ability to recite a few verses from the koran.
I spit on your koran, and may your ayatollah choke to death on a dog's
testicle while giving him a blowjob.}
----------------------------------------------------

Post by tschmidtundert

Post by tschmidtundert
The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.

The Honduran army acted on orders from the Honduran supreme court.  I
am not an expert in Honduran law, so I don't know why the regular
police didn't serve the warrant, but apparently the supreme court
believed the military was the best choice.
A coup is the use of military force to remove a legitimate leader.
Since Zelaya ceased to be president the moment he violated Article
239, there was no coup.

He had to be removed first. And there was no trial. So legally he was
president. He also is the head of the Army and the Court has nothnig
to do with National Security. They are the ones that should be put in
jail.
T.Schmidt
P.S. I stand fast in my comments.

[Hal Womack 3-dan]

Obomber's coup d'etat in Honduras on 28 June 2009 inadvertently
highlights the Jew Power or Jewocracy which has long tyrannized over
and against the people of the United States and of the world at
large.

By way of historical precedent, Abraham Lincoln in a speech delivered
on June 17, 1858, at the close of the Republican State Convention:

"We cannot absolutely know that all these exact adaptations are the
result of preconcert. But when we see a lot of framed timbers,
different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different
times and places and by different workmen, -- Stephen, Franklin,
Roger, and James, for instance, [Read here: Rahm Israel Emanuel, Gen.
Norton Schwarz, Hillary Clinton, Elliott Abrams] -- and when we see
these timbers joined together, and see they exactly make the frame of
a house or a mill, all the tenons and mortises exactly fitting, and
all the lengths and proportions of the different pieces exactly
adapted to their respective places, and not a piece too many or too
few, -- not omitting even scaffolding, -- or, if a single piece be
lacking, we see the place in the frame exactly fitted and prepared yet
to bring such piece in, -- in such a case, we find it impossible not
to believe that Stephen and Franklin and Roger and James all
understood one another from the beginning, and all worked upon a
common plan or draft drawn up before the first blow was struck..."

Source: Roy P. Basler, ed., Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, vol. 2
(1953), 461-68.
=======================

   http://tinyurl.com/nr9kt7
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Petras: Understanding the overthrow
James Petras from Rebelion
Aug. 18, 2009
http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=90206
How to understand this overthrow in Honduras ?
First is the integration of the Honduran army within the U.S. military
system. I say that not as an ideological expression but based on many
years of observation and empirical research. The whole official layer
of generals down to lieutenants in Honduras is trained in the United
States, under the tutelage of U.S. officials. The U.S. officials
operate from the Honduran defense ministry. There are consultations—
not only on a daily basis but hour-by-hour they consult with each
other on every military and political project of the United States in
Central American and the Caribbean.
It is absolutely false that the military acts on its own. Also false
that U.S. officials simply "knew" about preparations for the coup, as
some rumors or reports say. That is they knew, consulted, planned and
analyzed the consequences. For that reason when the coup occurs, and
afterwards there is a great unanimous reaction from Latin America and
countries outside the region, Mrs. Clinton immediately tries to
distance the United States, but doesn't take the position congruent
with the rest which was to condemn the coup. She invented the phrase,
"interim government," as if it were just another transitional
government. That is the best indication that Washington, in the face
of the huge opposition of even its most servile allies who were
condemning the coup, had to elaborate a two-track policy: one was the
public one which was the criticism of the coup, but in practice
opposing Zelaya's return.
The operative policy was to see how any negotiation process could be
dragged out in a less unfavorable space, because the OAS is
unfavorable territory. The United States had to protect its client in
Honduras, wedged between hostile governments. So another space was
invented with Mr. Arias, a notorious supporter of Washington and the
free trade agreement in Costa Rica who has earned points in the United
States for his criticisms of Chavez. Clinton manages to change the
site, marginalizing the OAS and at the same time strengthening support
for the puppet government. Now Clinton has no commitments of principle
with Micheletti, the coup government. She is willing to sacrifice him
if another one comes along, another change, anybody except Zelaya.
This tactic of dragging out the negotiations is part Washington's
policy. Now a final point: Some misinformed people in Latin America
say that Washington's coup policy is the product of officials, what
they call the "ultra-right," such as Otto Reich, such as John
Negroponte. This is absolutely false; it's creation of their
fantasies. They don't make policy at the present time in the United
States. They have no power over the armed forces. It's Clinton, it's
Obama, it's the Pentagon, the State Department, and the White House
who make policy. These critics who go around inventing an "ultra-
right" as authors of policy want to absolve Obama. They refuse to
understand or they are ignorant of how U.S. policy works. At this time
Obama carries out a two-faced policy: a friendly, amiable discourse
and an aggressive, violent practice.
Posted by Diana Barahona at 6:16 PM
[Courtesy Crosspost --HW]
========================

Post by Hal Womack 3-dan
Who deserves the credit for first breaking the story in the English-
language media about the key role of the U.S. airbase in Honduras in
the execution of the coup?
About 3' of research suffices to reveal the nameless shill* on this
thread for Obama's gorillas as yet another Jewish Usenet psywar op.
(See below, #1.) Such a surprise that, eh what? Only about a thousand
precedents therefor in my threads alone. Let's call this one "FAB1"
in contempt of Feinstein And Boxer, California's two treasonous Jewess
Senators.
Jewish SOP in these political discussions = precisely for some such
anonymous & therefore entirely disposable hired sqawker to introduce a
screwball argument so as to try to delay general recognition of a bare
fact embarrassing to JAPE aka the Jewish-American Planetary Empire. A
group of normal aka "gentile" honest souls are standing in a plaza at
noon on a bright, sunny day. Along comes the Jew to throw dust at
their eyes, crying out that the hour strikes midnight. The Honduran
coup only one in a very long list of such examples which include
present threats of nuclear attack against Iran, huge massacres of
Palestinian prisoners, dropping millions of bomblets on Lebanon, the
assassination of JFK, the 9/11 stunt etc. ad nauseam.
One way for us Just Folk to make a profit from this sort of
intervention = to take Israeli-manufactured "talking point" from the
paws of the Anonymous Shill & kick it back upstairs to officials who
can be held accountable for their statements.
Scarf FAB's text and barf it on the Central American desk of Hillary's
State Department, also Obomber's Justice Department, laughingly so
called. See if the Regime officials will dare to respond to our
request for comment. All they have to do = look out their window to
see Just Folks chewing on the legs of their immediate predecessors in
the DC biz of torturing & murdering innocents. There are also, of
course, honorable authorities whom we could approach in Cuba,
Nicaragua, Venezuela and Spain.
"Israel is blamed for lots of things.  Try as I might, I can't imagine
any reason why a country like Israel with so many other problems would
concern itself with Central American politics.  Sounds like Chávez
propaganda intended to distract people from the truth."
I reply that Israel does indeed get "blamed for lots of things", a few
of which have already been mentioned. Israel deserves, however, a lot
more blame and, especially, punishment for its crimes. Also, the ones
blaming Israel are ordinary honest people around the world, whereas
the corrupt tools of the Jews, who infest all U.S. institutions, are
singing Israel's praises and shoveling our money to it. The inquiring
reader is encouraged to check out Congressional websites, the
Sulzbergerz' NYT, Bronstein's SF CHRONICLE, etc. in order to remind
herself how the clique still in power in the US doggedly lick the
bloody sole of the Jewish boot.
This shameless shill who, thanks to the Israeli propaganda apparat,
can quote verbatim from the Honduran Constitution in the original
Spanish, pretends to have forgotten Israel's
role as arms supplier to the Guatemalan junta in the 1980's as it
massacred Mayans by the hundreds of thousands. We have noted the
ironic cynicism of FAB's complaint about "propaganda intended to
distract people from the truth".
In truth, Obomber has definitively revealed himself to be
Condy Rice with a pecker, Colin Powell in civvies. Obomber, already
soaked in blood from his bombing of humble villages in Afghanistan &
Pakistan, is now blatantly loosing the monster of U.S. imperialism in
Latin America.
We now have both the opportunity & the duty to plaster Obomber as a
war criminal cut from the same cloth as his detested predecessor
SonnaBush. President Zelaya to return to Honduras and the felon in the
White House to be removed. Expose the Jewish intriguers & their bought
_goyim_. Can you say, "Nancy Pelosi"?
Now beeps the hour when the emerging leadership of our Planet Earth
begins to topple the second system of tyranny.
First the fall of Euro-Jewish Crummunism, next the collapse
of JA Crapitalism. More power to Chavez, to Zelaya, to Cynthia
McKinney and to all those seeking racial harmony through justice!
-------------------------------------------
(#1)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns, alt.military.retired, soc.veterans,
soc.culture.iranian, alt.politics.homosexuality
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad! Viva Iran! Nuke Ersatz israel!
{Why do you keep trying to drag Jews into this?  I hate Iran because
it
is hostile to the USA.  One of my most vivid childhood memories was of
the Iran Hostage Crisis, watching the ragheaded fanatics on television
screaming "Death to America!" as they held my people hostage and
threatened to kill them.
Americans hate Iran so much that we were willing to tolerate
supporting Saddam Hussein, hoping that he would destroy you and save
us the trouble of having to do it ourselves.
I am also anti-religious and a self-described satanist, and do not
respect the cult of christianity any more than the cult of islam.  I
do not recognize theocratic forms of government, and the unelected
ayatollahs have no authority to rule.  Their only claim of authority
comes from growing a long ratty beard, wrapping a rag around their
head, and the ability to recite a few verses from the koran.
I spit on your koran, and may your ayatollah choke to death on a dog's
testicle while giving him a blowjob.}
----------------------------------------------------

Post by Dank 110100100

Post by tschmidtundert
The coup came from using military force to accomplish the removal,
when all the idiots in Congress had to do was to bring him to court
and let hm defend himself. Nowhere the army is to act on its own as
police. The Honduran opposition are uncivilized, monkeys that speak
Spanish.

The Honduran army acted on orders from the

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