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NSA to be given power of arrest...
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gamma-hydroxybutyrate
2006-04-28 04:52:17 UTC
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I can't find a link, but I just read in today's newspaper that Bush is
seeking to give arrest powers to CIA and NSA if they have knowledge of
any felony.

Consider the implications, since the NSA taps all our phones and net
connections, and we are all guilty of crimes no matter how innocuous
they seem to us - from violating interstate transmission of obscenity
(the porn you just downloaded) to p2p file sharing networks to
confessing drug use or whatever, all could cause CIA and NSA storm-
troopers to arrest you in the middle of the night.

This is probably Bush's greatest seizure of power so far. We are
becoming a full-fledged police state. It's just digusting to see
Bush wrap himself in a flag and babble on about "freedom" when he is
probably the biggest usurper of constitutional power since FDR and
Lincoln. At least they weren't malicious, even if you disagree with
their policies, they had a vision of a brighter future, while Bush
has a vision of a horrible tyrannical future with him as Emporer.

This guy has gone insane. He along with his neo-con puppetmasters are
the greatest threat to the world at the moment. It's gone beyond just
domestic oppression, this is someone threatening to use nuclear weapons
in a first strike. He has bankrupted our country, started a war that
threatens to turn into WWIII in the very near future, spies on all our
communications, and is just generally an all-around corrupt fucktard.

Finally, if anyone cares to respond, do you believe that the reason that
Congress has not called for impeachment because the NSA wiretapped them
and has so much dirt on them that they don't dare?


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"But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised
by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on
platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were
refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful
rubbish that they were in spite of all this, his influence never seemed
to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by
him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his
directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the
commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators
dedicated to the overthrow of the State..."
-- 1984
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PagCal
2006-04-28 09:18:36 UTC
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They already do 'renditions' to turture countries.

They don't need the power of arrest.

Further, if they take you into court, are they going to testify? No. So,
you walk. Or, were they planning to just hold you forever, or even if
you ever got to see a judge, would you be allowed an attourney.

If allowed, it'll turn the US into a police state.
Post by gamma-hydroxybutyrate
I can't find a link, but I just read in today's newspaper that Bush is
seeking to give arrest powers to CIA and NSA if they have knowledge of
any felony.
Consider the implications, since the NSA taps all our phones and net
connections, and we are all guilty of crimes no matter how innocuous
they seem to us - from violating interstate transmission of obscenity
(the porn you just downloaded) to p2p file sharing networks to
confessing drug use or whatever, all could cause CIA and NSA storm-
troopers to arrest you in the middle of the night.
This is probably Bush's greatest seizure of power so far. We are
becoming a full-fledged police state. It's just digusting to see
Bush wrap himself in a flag and babble on about "freedom" when he is
probably the biggest usurper of constitutional power since FDR and
Lincoln. At least they weren't malicious, even if you disagree with
their policies, they had a vision of a brighter future, while Bush
has a vision of a horrible tyrannical future with him as Emporer.
This guy has gone insane. He along with his neo-con puppetmasters are
the greatest threat to the world at the moment. It's gone beyond just
domestic oppression, this is someone threatening to use nuclear weapons
in a first strike. He has bankrupted our country, started a war that
threatens to turn into WWIII in the very near future, spies on all our
communications, and is just generally an all-around corrupt fucktard.
Finally, if anyone cares to respond, do you believe that the reason that
Congress has not called for impeachment because the NSA wiretapped them
and has so much dirt on them that they don't dare?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised
by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on
platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were
refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful
rubbish that they were in spite of all this, his influence never seemed
to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by
him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his
directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the
commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators
dedicated to the overthrow of the State..."
-- 1984
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News Source
2006-04-28 16:21:27 UTC
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Post by gamma-hydroxybutyrate
I can't find a link, but I just read in today's newspaper that Bush is
seeking to give arrest powers to CIA and NSA if they have knowledge of
any felony.
Is the White House Staff 'Losing It'?


News/Comment; Posted on: 2006-03-18 22:52:23

Stress, deception, mental lapses of President all take their toll.

by Jeff Davis

AN ARTICLE LAST October reported "An uncivil war rages inside the
walls of the West Wing of the White House, a bitter, acrimonious war
driven by a failed agenda, destroyed credibility, dwindling public
support and a President who lapses into Alzheimer-like periods of
incoherent babbling.

"On one side are the dwindling numbers of die-hard loyalists to
President George W. Bush, those who support his actions and
decisions without question and remain committed to both Bush and
scandal-scarred political advisor Karl Rove. On the other side are
the increasing numbers of those who say Rove must go and who worry
about the President's declining mental state and his ability to
restore credibility with Congress, our foreign allies and the
American people.

"The war erupted into full-blown shout fests at Camp David this past
weekend where decorum broke down in staff meetings and longtime
aides threatened to quit unless Rove goes. Insiders say Chief of
Staff Andrew Card now leads the anti-Rove legions and has told Bush
that he wants out of the high-pressure job. White House staff
members say the White House is 'like a wartime bunker' where
shell-shocked aides hide from those who disagree with their actions
and office pools speculate on how long certain senior aides will last."

Last September a tabloid reported that Bush had fallen off the wagon
and was dealing with his mounting problems by hitting the bottle.
Bush's frequent accidents, repeatedly falling off his bike and
passing out and hitting his head during the Super Bowl, suggest a
possible drinking problem. (ILLUSTRATION: Bush -- is he an "anger
management case"?)

Working for a drunken moron is a high-stress job. After six years of
a bloodstained roller coaster ride in a mist of Bourbon fumes and
gibberish, George W. Bush's White House staff may be coming apart at
the seams. The endless string of crises would exhaust anyone. Over
the past year there have been an increasing number of stories
filtering out of Bush's bunker -- of aides and administrators with
drug and/or alcohol problems, not to mention simple
exhaustion-related problems such as falling asleep during meetings.

In an article entitled "Senior White House Staff May Be Wearing
Down" Washington Post reporter Peter Baker notes "Andrew H. Card Jr.
wakes at 4:20 in the morning, shows up at the White House an hour or
so later, convenes his senior staff at 7:30 and then proceeds to a
blur of other meetings that do not let up until long after the sun
sets. He gets home at 9 or 10 at night and sometimes fields phone
calls until 11 p.m. Then he gets up and does it all over again.

"Of all the reasons that President Bush is in trouble these days,
not to be overlooked are inadequate REM cycles. Like chief of staff
Card, many of the president's top aides have been by his side
nonstop for more than five years, not including the first campaign,
recount and transition. This is a White House, according to
insiders, that is physically and emotionally exhausted, battered by
scandal and drained by political setbacks."

The same article notes "The succession of crisis after crisis has
taken its toll. Some in the White House sound frazzled. While there
are few stories of aides nodding off in meetings, some duck outside
during the day so the fresh air will wake them up. 'We're all burned
out,' said one White House official who did not want to be named for
fear of angering superiors. 'People are just tired.' White House
officials are never genuinely away from the job. Tied to their
BlackBerrys and cellular telephones, they are often called to duty
even during rare vacations."

The result is that the Bush White House is starting to make stupid,
careless mistakes. There was the uproar over an Arab-owned firm
taking over management of some American ports. A mindless blunder
that a competent administration would have avoided. A coherent
administration would not have dug in its heels and tried to spin its
way out of the Dubai-ports fiasco. The Bush administration is
neither competent nor even coherent. They only dropped the planned
Dubai-ports deal after expending valuable political capital and
credibility that they could ill afford to lose. One can only imagine
how frustrated any White House staffer who advocates reason and
sanity must be.

The war in Iraq drags on and on, with the once-mighty U. S. military
on the ground but helpless to stop the slide into civil war. Energy
prices are going through the roof and will now rise again over the
coming summer.

Ninety percent of the homes in New Orleans have yet to be
demolished, let alone rebuilt -- if that ever happens. The clean up
appears to be going as ineffectively as FEMA's emergency response.
Dubya's popularity poll rating at 34 percent is now the lowest in
the nation's history since the time just before Nixon's resignation.
Vice President Cheney managed to shoot a man down in Texas and saw
his popularity drop to 18 percent, just slightly better than Saddam
Hussein -- who unlike Cheney never personally shot an American.

Cheney was either planning to cover up his shooting mishap or he
thinks so little of Dubya that he didn't tell him of the incident
until 18 hours after it happened. One of Bush's few remaining Black
quota hires in his administration (after the departure of Colin
Powell) was arrested recently for stealing from several major
department stores last month, and the White House only got around to
commenting on the incident last week.

Bush's White House staff is never genuinely away from the job. They
are on twenty-four hour call by a mentally-challenged and often
slightly hysterical boss who interrupts their dinner, their church
attendance, their vacations and their sleep without consideration
with demands for them to come in to work or else he deprives them of
sleep with his long, rambling phone calls about nothing in
particular. A more sane administration would hire more staffers so
that they don't work their people into the ground. Perhaps, there is
so much dishonesty in the Bush administration, that a new staffer
might learn a fact -- say, about the Plame affair or the Iraq war --
which Bush wants to bury.

The neocons and talk show hacks insist that the 9-11 disaster and
flooding of New Orleans were "unavoidable" and many simple-minded
Americans buy this propaganda. If George Bush had bothered to listen
to his own staff, the 9-11 hijackers might have been deported and
enough helicopters might have been made available to New Orleans to
repair the levees before they collapsed.

George Bush ignored a national security memo dated August 8th, 2001,
warning of a terrorist attack possibly with hijacked airplanes. He
failed to deport suspicious Mid East "students" in the month before
9-11 even though he could have. He failed to arm the pilots. And he
failed to deport Arabs recently in flight school.

Just before Katrina hit, the whole nation saw the weather reports.
Bush could have rushed in buses to evacuate people with no
transportation, imposed martial law to prevent looting, and moved in
helicopters and federal troops to make up for the 35 percent of the
Louisiana National Guard which Bush had sent to Iraq. Some experts
say the levees could have been saved if enough helicopters were
available to drop reinforcing material on the weakened sections. The
levees collapsed hours after the worst of Hurricane Katrina blew
through. Just ten helicopters dropping reinforcing material could
have prevented the worst of the flooding.

Bush also raided the budget of the Army Corps of Engineers, who were
supposed to be reinforcing the very levees which failed. Bush used
the diverted levee funds for the war on Iraq. Bush's staff members
actually put together a DVD for him showing the cable news reports
on Hurricane Katrina because Bush was too busy enjoying his vacation
to pay attention to a serious national disaster. Bush's infamous
remark "Heckuva job, Brownie" is undeniable proof that Bush is a
clueless buffoon.

Thanks to George Bush, we suffered our greatest military disaster
since Pearl Harbor and one of our greatest cities was 90 percent
destroyed. We were also lied into a war of aggression against Iraq
and our soldiers are still dying there today. Given one gigantic
incompetent blunder after another, supplemented by needless blunders
of judgment such as the Harriet Miers nomination and the Dubai Ports
fiasco and the continuing Open Borders problem with Mexico, it's no
wonder White House staffers are nearing the end of their rope. These
people are apologists for the greatest out of touch idiot who has
ever sat in the Oval Office. Perhaps they should have thought of
that before they took the job.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8324
AmerGovtCriminalExposer
2006-05-01 02:11:38 UTC
Permalink
The world is till wondering how american morons voted this low iq idiot bush
to the white house a second time.
Post by News Source
Post by gamma-hydroxybutyrate
I can't find a link, but I just read in today's newspaper that Bush is
seeking to give arrest powers to CIA and NSA if they have knowledge of
any felony.
Is the White House Staff 'Losing It'?
News/Comment; Posted on: 2006-03-18 22:52:23
Stress, deception, mental lapses of President all take their toll.
by Jeff Davis
AN ARTICLE LAST October reported "An uncivil war rages inside the walls of
the West Wing of the White House, a bitter, acrimonious war driven by a
failed agenda, destroyed credibility, dwindling public support and a
President who lapses into Alzheimer-like periods of incoherent babbling.
"On one side are the dwindling numbers of die-hard loyalists to President
George W. Bush, those who support his actions and decisions without
question and remain committed to both Bush and scandal-scarred political
advisor Karl Rove. On the other side are the increasing numbers of those
who say Rove must go and who worry about the President's declining mental
state and his ability to restore credibility with Congress, our foreign
allies and the American people.
"The war erupted into full-blown shout fests at Camp David this past
weekend where decorum broke down in staff meetings and longtime aides
threatened to quit unless Rove goes. Insiders say Chief of Staff Andrew
Card now leads the anti-Rove legions and has told Bush that he wants out
of the high-pressure job. White House staff members say the White House is
'like a wartime bunker' where shell-shocked aides hide from those who
disagree with their actions and office pools speculate on how long certain
senior aides will last."
Last September a tabloid reported that Bush had fallen off the wagon and
was dealing with his mounting problems by hitting the bottle. Bush's
frequent accidents, repeatedly falling off his bike and passing out and
hitting his head during the Super Bowl, suggest a possible drinking
problem. (ILLUSTRATION: Bush -- is he an "anger management case"?)
Working for a drunken moron is a high-stress job. After six years of a
bloodstained roller coaster ride in a mist of Bourbon fumes and gibberish,
George W. Bush's White House staff may be coming apart at the seams. The
endless string of crises would exhaust anyone. Over the past year there
have been an increasing number of stories filtering out of Bush's
bunker -- of aides and administrators with drug and/or alcohol problems,
not to mention simple exhaustion-related problems such as falling asleep
during meetings.
In an article entitled "Senior White House Staff May Be Wearing Down"
Washington Post reporter Peter Baker notes "Andrew H. Card Jr. wakes at
4:20 in the morning, shows up at the White House an hour or so later,
convenes his senior staff at 7:30 and then proceeds to a blur of other
meetings that do not let up until long after the sun sets. He gets home at
9 or 10 at night and sometimes fields phone calls until 11 p.m. Then he
gets up and does it all over again.
"Of all the reasons that President Bush is in trouble these days, not to
be overlooked are inadequate REM cycles. Like chief of staff Card, many of
the president's top aides have been by his side nonstop for more than five
years, not including the first campaign, recount and transition. This is a
White House, according to insiders, that is physically and emotionally
exhausted, battered by scandal and drained by political setbacks."
The same article notes "The succession of crisis after crisis has taken
its toll. Some in the White House sound frazzled. While there are few
stories of aides nodding off in meetings, some duck outside during the day
so the fresh air will wake them up. 'We're all burned out,' said one White
House official who did not want to be named for fear of angering
superiors. 'People are just tired.' White House officials are never
genuinely away from the job. Tied to their BlackBerrys and cellular
telephones, they are often called to duty even during rare vacations."
The result is that the Bush White House is starting to make stupid,
careless mistakes. There was the uproar over an Arab-owned firm taking
over management of some American ports. A mindless blunder that a
competent administration would have avoided. A coherent administration
would not have dug in its heels and tried to spin its way out of the
Dubai-ports fiasco. The Bush administration is neither competent nor even
coherent. They only dropped the planned Dubai-ports deal after expending
valuable political capital and credibility that they could ill afford to
lose. One can only imagine how frustrated any White House staffer who
advocates reason and sanity must be.
The war in Iraq drags on and on, with the once-mighty U. S. military on
the ground but helpless to stop the slide into civil war. Energy prices
are going through the roof and will now rise again over the coming summer.
Ninety percent of the homes in New Orleans have yet to be demolished, let
alone rebuilt -- if that ever happens. The clean up appears to be going as
ineffectively as FEMA's emergency response. Dubya's popularity poll rating
at 34 percent is now the lowest in the nation's history since the time
just before Nixon's resignation. Vice President Cheney managed to shoot a
man down in Texas and saw his popularity drop to 18 percent, just slightly
better than Saddam Hussein -- who unlike Cheney never personally shot an
American.
Cheney was either planning to cover up his shooting mishap or he thinks so
little of Dubya that he didn't tell him of the incident until 18 hours
after it happened. One of Bush's few remaining Black quota hires in his
administration (after the departure of Colin Powell) was arrested recently
for stealing from several major department stores last month, and the
White House only got around to commenting on the incident last week.
Bush's White House staff is never genuinely away from the job. They are on
twenty-four hour call by a mentally-challenged and often slightly
hysterical boss who interrupts their dinner, their church attendance,
their vacations and their sleep without consideration with demands for
them to come in to work or else he deprives them of sleep with his long,
rambling phone calls about nothing in particular. A more sane
administration would hire more staffers so that they don't work their
people into the ground. Perhaps, there is so much dishonesty in the Bush
administration, that a new staffer might learn a fact -- say, about the
Plame affair or the Iraq war --
which Bush wants to bury.
The neocons and talk show hacks insist that the 9-11 disaster and flooding
of New Orleans were "unavoidable" and many simple-minded Americans buy
this propaganda. If George Bush had bothered to listen to his own staff,
the 9-11 hijackers might have been deported and enough helicopters might
have been made available to New Orleans to repair the levees before they
collapsed.
George Bush ignored a national security memo dated August 8th, 2001,
warning of a terrorist attack possibly with hijacked airplanes. He failed
to deport suspicious Mid East "students" in the month before 9-11 even
though he could have. He failed to arm the pilots. And he failed to deport
Arabs recently in flight school.
Just before Katrina hit, the whole nation saw the weather reports. Bush
could have rushed in buses to evacuate people with no transportation,
imposed martial law to prevent looting, and moved in helicopters and
federal troops to make up for the 35 percent of the Louisiana National
Guard which Bush had sent to Iraq. Some experts say the levees could have
been saved if enough helicopters were available to drop reinforcing
material on the weakened sections. The levees collapsed hours after the
worst of Hurricane Katrina blew through. Just ten helicopters dropping
reinforcing material could have prevented the worst of the flooding.
Bush also raided the budget of the Army Corps of Engineers, who were
supposed to be reinforcing the very levees which failed. Bush used the
diverted levee funds for the war on Iraq. Bush's staff members actually
put together a DVD for him showing the cable news reports on Hurricane
Katrina because Bush was too busy enjoying his vacation to pay attention
to a serious national disaster. Bush's infamous remark "Heckuva job,
Brownie" is undeniable proof that Bush is a clueless buffoon.
Thanks to George Bush, we suffered our greatest military disaster since
Pearl Harbor and one of our greatest cities was 90 percent destroyed. We
were also lied into a war of aggression against Iraq and our soldiers are
still dying there today. Given one gigantic incompetent blunder after
another, supplemented by needless blunders of judgment such as the Harriet
Miers nomination and the Dubai Ports fiasco and the continuing Open
Borders problem with Mexico, it's no wonder White House staffers are
nearing the end of their rope. These people are apologists for the
greatest out of touch idiot who has ever sat in the Oval Office. Perhaps
they should have thought of that before they took the job.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8324
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