Folsom Street Fair Coverage

Face up to it, Stain. No-one believes you only went there "for the
articles".

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Stan de SD

2006-09-02 02:12:19 UTC

I think you might be confusing the Folsom Street Fair with other events
like Halloween, Pride Day and, oh, every Saturday night...

OK, OK, this one is only for male homosexuals who are into leather and BDSM,
right? Sorry for the mixup... :Oo

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-02 06:03:47 UTC

Other than the leather, isn't that what heterosexuals try to do in
bars?

Stan de SD

2006-09-02 18:29:17 UTC

Other than the leather, isn't that what heterosexuals try to do in
bars?

And apparently everywhere else...

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-02 22:28:38 UTC

Okay, stations such as KGO want to stay in touch with their
communities? Well, wine and cheese for the elderly is not the only

way

to go. There is this thing called the Folsom Street Fair taking place
on Sunday, September 24 along Folsom Street between 5th and 12th in

SF.

Entertainment, booths, activities, etc. are considered important
enough to the community culturally that they have an arts grant from
the city.

Correction: the SF politicos are so indoctrinated with the PC mindset

that

Post by Stan de SD
they pander to the fringe element by sponsoring an event consisting of

male

Post by Stan de SD
homosexuals parading around in leather and soliciting casual sex. :O(

Other than the leather, isn't that what heterosexuals try to do in
bars?

And apparently everywhere else...

Groucho sez let's bring the duck down to show what you won as you have
said the secret word, and that was "apparently". It's obviously another
of my favorite words!

Stan de SD

2006-09-02 19:35:56 UTC

Like any marketing campaign, they are interested in hitting large
numbers of people. I've been to the SJ event before and I can tell you
that it's not the over-the-hill crowd.

By the way, my "Lawrence Welk crowd" reference was to those people who
watch the PBS reruns, and doesn't refer to the age of the audience but
to the stodginess. Actually, they're younger than the original Welk
audience.

The real hep cat was Stan Freberg, who Welk wound up bumping in certain
markets...

It's a general audience (all
ages) in the largest population base in the market. It's about
marketing exposure. Think about your options when presenting ideas to a
General Manager of a major station.

Both Conan O'Brien and the more sedate Jay Leno bring on hip-hop
artists (hip-hop is a 25-year old genre now).

"Hip-hop" and "artist" are mutually exclusive, unless there are some
esoteric aestethic variations on how to utter "mofo" and "bitch" while
wearing silly-assed clothing and flashing ersatz gang signs... :O|

Small cutting-edge events (and I hate to say the Folsom Street fair is
cutting edge, but for some folks it is) are where the future always is.
It's a matter of sowing the seeds for the future. Notice that SF Gay
Pride is sponsored by a ton of mainstream media: KRON, the Chronicle,
KQED, the Bay Guardian, etc. I have never seen KGO associated with any
Gay Pride events.

Give the big old 810 a few points for taste...

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-02 22:48:48 UTC

Like any marketing campaign, they are interested in hitting large
numbers of people. I've been to the SJ event before and I can tell you
that it's not the over-the-hill crowd.

The real hep cat was Stan Freberg, who Welk wound up bumping in certain
markets...

It's a general audience (all
ages) in the largest population base in the market. It's about
marketing exposure. Think about your options when presenting ideas to a
General Manager of a major station.

Both Conan O'Brien and the more sedate Jay Leno bring on hip-hop
artists (hip-hop is a 25-year old genre now).

There's a BIG difference between HIP HOP and GANGSTA. Ever hear Curtis
Blow, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five etc? The stuff they lump
into Old School. Hip Hop evolved into a more musical vein and Gangsta
kept the drone of rhyming/rythmic looping with a bent, somewhat
misogynistic tint that you hate too. There where times in the 80s and
90s when a medium evolved called "Trip Hop" that was a more inventive,
playfully psychedelic twist, with De La Soul, House Of Pain, Onyx,
Information Society maybe, Urban Dance Squad, and maybe Snap. The
Europeans were very good at finding very inventive music at the time,
evidenced by Technotronic (from Belgium) and AB Logic (I think).

I still wish I had my EBN-OZN tape, which wasn't any of the above but
AEIOU Sometimes Y and Rockin' Robin were pretty damned fun.

Stan de SD

2006-09-02 23:16:47 UTC

Like any marketing campaign, they are interested in hitting large
numbers of people. I've been to the SJ event before and I can tell you
that it's not the over-the-hill crowd.

The real hep cat was Stan Freberg, who Welk wound up bumping in certain
markets...

It's a general audience (all
ages) in the largest population base in the market. It's about
marketing exposure. Think about your options when presenting ideas to a
General Manager of a major station.

Both Conan O'Brien and the more sedate Jay Leno bring on hip-hop
artists (hip-hop is a 25-year old genre now).

There's a BIG difference between HIP HOP and GANGSTA. Ever hear Curtis
Blow, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five etc? The stuff they lump
into Old School.

Uh, we used to call that "rap". :O|

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Hip Hop evolved into a more musical vein and Gangsta
kept the drone of rhyming/rythmic looping with a bent, somewhat
misogynistic tint that you hate too. There where times in the 80s and
90s when a medium evolved called "Trip Hop" that was a more inventive,
playfully psychedelic twist, with De La Soul, House Of Pain, Onyx,
Information Society maybe, Urban Dance Squad, and maybe Snap. The
Europeans were very good at finding very inventive music at the time,
evidenced by Technotronic (from Belgium) and AB Logic (I think).

I tuned out about the time the P-Funk Nation started disintegrating: With
the exception of some James Brown/Maceo Parker reissues, "Atomic Dog" by
George Clinton is the latest think in my funk/soul/R&B collection, as that
genre has gone pretty much downhill since... :O|

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-02 23:35:01 UTC

Like any marketing campaign, they are interested in hitting large
numbers of people. I've been to the SJ event before and I can tell

you

that it's not the over-the-hill crowd.

The real hep cat was Stan Freberg, who Welk wound up bumping in certain
markets...

It's a general audience (all
ages) in the largest population base in the market. It's about
marketing exposure. Think about your options when presenting ideas

to a

General Manager of a major station.

Both Conan O'Brien and the more sedate Jay Leno bring on hip-hop
artists (hip-hop is a 25-year old genre now).

There's a BIG difference between HIP HOP and GANGSTA. Ever hear Curtis
Blow, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five etc? The stuff they lump
into Old School.

Uh, we used to call that "rap". :O|

You don't like Outkast or Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy"?

Stan de SD

2006-09-02 23:45:30 UTC

Like any marketing campaign, they are interested in hitting large
numbers of people. I've been to the SJ event before and I can tell

you

that it's not the over-the-hill crowd.

The real hep cat was Stan Freberg, who Welk wound up bumping in certain
markets...

It's a general audience (all
ages) in the largest population base in the market. It's about
marketing exposure. Think about your options when presenting ideas

to a

General Manager of a major station.

Both Conan O'Brien and the more sedate Jay Leno bring on hip-hop
artists (hip-hop is a 25-year old genre now).

There's a BIG difference between HIP HOP and GANGSTA. Ever hear Curtis
Blow, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five etc? The stuff they lump
into Old School.

Uh, we used to call that "rap". :O|

You don't like Outkast or Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy"?

I got so tired of listening to crap that I don't have the patience to listen
for 3-4 hours in the off chance I might hear something of redeeming value.

Stan de SD

2006-09-06 01:30:38 UTC

<cross-posting snipped>

Post by Stan de SD
Correction: the SF politicos are so indoctrinated with the PC mindset that
they pander to the fringe element by sponsoring an event consisting of male
homosexuals parading around in leather and soliciting casual sex. :O(

Actually, "Stan", it's just another neighborhood street fair in SF.
Unless, of course, you would include the North Beach Festival, Chinese
New Years & St. Patrick's parades, Carnival, Black & White Ball, The
Big KaBoom, X Games, & all the other community fairs & parades as
"pandering to the fringe element".

Yet their website features an event with a title and graphics suggesting
anal sex, and a photo of some guy pulling on the pants zipper of another
dude with his teeth. Nothing to do with homosexuals, right?

Nice try. Why do people in SF feel compelled to lie all the time? Is it
their way of dealing with the embarrassment of being the nation's
laughingstock, or what?

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-06 04:47:43 UTC

Are you looking for gay sex, Stan?

Stan de SD

2006-09-06 05:08:30 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Are you looking for gay sex, Stan?

You're out of luck, perv. Try hitting up on Bill Zaumen... anyhow, nice
knowing that you couldn't refute anything I brought up...

Bill Z.

2006-09-06 05:21:49 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Are you looking for gay sex, Stan?

You're out of luck, perv. Try hitting up on Bill Zaumen... anyhow, nice
knowing that you couldn't refute anything I brought up...

For anyone who does not know what is going on here, wannabe head troll
Stan Me SD has been really mad at me ever since I pointed out his idol
King George of the House of Bush refused to lift a finger during the
electrical shortage in the summer of 2001 (no doubt to screw Gray
Davis, who was considered a political threat due to his fundraising
abilities), as Enron and other Texas based companies tried their best
to screw California. Stanley, of course, pretended otherwise.

As little Stanley ranted on as usual, he tried to sound macho and
threatening. I simply laughed at him, and Stanley then jumped into an
aside regarding a topic he knew nothing about, quickly getting himself
into hot water as he obviously didn't even know "Terminology 101." As
he tried to justify himself, he blurted out how he had sat on a lofty
perch, snapping pictures and eating lunch, as some poor dude expired.
Since Stanley couldn't bring himself to admit that he was simply too
inexperienced to do anything, he ended up looking rather crass and
cowardly, and he has been mad at me ever since.

In a fashion typical of this low life, Stanley has been posting a
combination of lies and mindless speculations one after the other for
years, not to mention "declaring victory" every time he makes a fool
of himself. I suspect it is in part due to him having problems of the
sort Sigmund Freud so aptly described. He made such a fool of himself
that it threatened his fragile male ego and it will be at least a
decade before he recovers.

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-06 05:22:49 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Are you looking for gay sex, Stan?

You're out of luck, perv. Try hitting up on Bill Zaumen... anyhow, nice
knowing that you couldn't refute anything I brought up...

Then why the HELL are you on this kick, and you need a vagina first,
not just acting like a pussy.

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-06 05:26:36 UTC

Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill Z.

2006-09-06 15:31:31 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

It is not my fault that Stanley is repeating himself with his
continual obsession about me. All he deserves and is getting
at this point is a canned response.

Stan de SD

2006-09-07 07:19:38 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

Bill Z.

2006-09-10 23:51:40 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

Stanley is lying as usual (his quote is fabricated). He will not be
able to find one single post where I ever stated anything about my
sexual orientation because it is irrelevant to the groups I post
on. This is a matter of policy - you can look up a long argument with
Mike Vandamann where that moron was bent out of shape because I
wouldn't tell him if I owned a cell phone, which was also not relevant
to the discussion. Stanley's obsession with sexual orientation,
however, speaks for itself.

For anyone who does not know what is going on here, wannabe head troll
Stan Me SD has been really mad at me ever since I pointed out his idol
King George of the House of Bush refused to lift a finger during the
electrical shortage in the summer of 2001 (no doubt to screw Gray
Davis, who was considered a political threat due to his fundraising
abilities), as Enron and other Texas based companies tried their best
to screw California. Stanley, of course, pretended otherwise.

As little Stanley ranted on as usual, he tried to sound macho and
threatening. I simply laughed at him, and Stanley then jumped into an
aside regarding a topic he knew nothing about, quickly getting himself
into hot water as he obviously didn't even know "Terminology 101." As
he tried to justify himself, he blurted out how he had sat on a lofty
perch, snapping pictures and eating lunch, as some poor dude expired.
Since Stanley couldn't bring himself to admit that he was simply too
inexperienced to do anything, he ended up looking rather crass and
cowardly, and he has been mad at me ever since.

In a fashion typical of this low life, Stanley has been posting a
combination of lies and mindless speculations one after the other for
years, not to mention "declaring victory" every time he makes a fool
of himself. I suspect it is in part due to him having problems of the
sort Sigmund Freud so aptly described. He made such a fool of himself
that it threatened his fragile male ego and it will be at least a
decade before he recovers.

The Pervert

2006-09-11 01:33:57 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert and
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.

And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But as long
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

Bill Z.

2006-09-11 07:08:31 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert and
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But as long
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

Stan's buddy, "The Pervert" is yet another usenet bald-faced liar with
a grudge (and a habit of trying to protect his buddy Stanley).

Look at Message-ID: <xMudnZuh66yX223eRVn-***@comcast.com> where "The
Pervert" stated the real reason for his behavior:

"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.

Oh, check out Message-ID: <oN2r5.25803$***@typhoon.we.rr.com> for
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-11 10:09:14 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert and
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But as long
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

Stan's buddy, "The Pervert" is yet another usenet bald-faced liar with
a grudge (and a habit of trying to protect his buddy Stanley).
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."
What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

So either of them have an account with Coretel.net? I'm getting really
stupid threats in rec.antiques.radio+phono, to the point where I've
notified Coretel twice, Google once and am about to call the FBI about
it. I got an IP of 198.186.190.95 that had a WHOIS as below stuck in
the middle of the path of a message from "L." and it had the warning
MISMATCH! so I thought that might be a clue. I have another clown
called "Anti-Dinius" who even lists his address as
"anti-***@lycos.com" and has an IP for the posting host of
64.12.116.72 and I believe that went to AOL in Virginia. Then I have
Michael A. Terrell, a true stupidstar in the world of I know everything
whom I watched being made a fool of personally alternately trying to
chase CAINE and DESERT BOB and the "Nudo 8-track Circus" out of town or
be their buddy. A real lost cause and proof you can't ever be a
SCHIZOID crusader. Earthlink is his home away from outer space. Here's
what that IP of 198.186.190.05 goes to:

OrgName: Prescient Software, Inc.
OrgID: PRESCI-1
Address: 6967 Weller St
City: San Diego
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92122
Country: US

NetRange: 198.186.190.0 - 198.186.194.255
CIDR: 198.186.190.0/23, 198.186.192.0/23, 198.186.194.0/24
NetName: NETBLK-PRESCIENT01
NetHandle: NET-198-186-190-0-1
Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET
NameServer: UDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET
Comment: ***@trafsci.com is open for issue resolution
RegDate: 1993-09-17
Updated: 2006-09-05

RAbuseHandle: AFR11-ARIN
RAbuseName: Freedman, Avi
RAbusePhone: +1-215-481-9797
RAbuseEmail: ***@freedman.net

RNOCHandle: AFR11-ARIN
RNOCName: Freedman, Avi
RNOCPhone: +1-215-481-9797
RNOCEmail: ***@freedman.net

RTechHandle: AFR11-ARIN
RTechName: Freedman, Avi
RTechPhone: +1-215-481-9797
RTechEmail: ***@freedman.net

OrgTechHandle: AFR11-ARIN
OrgTechName: Freedman, Avi
OrgTechPhone: +1-215-481-9797
OrgTechEmail: ***@freedman.net

Bon Appetit! SDA

The Pervert

2006-09-11 11:42:44 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert and
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But as long
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

Yes, DO look at it. I stand by that. But as always, you only quoted HALF
of what I said (thus again confirming your dishonesty.

Why don't you ever post the entire quote? That's right, Bill. You don't
ever post the entire quote because you are chronically dishonest. And since
you can't trace the post from your link (all it gives me is an email
format), I've taken the liberty of REALLY showing what I said to you. As
always, I stand by my words of contempt for you and your dishonesty.

Here is the entire quote, in context, not the dishonest bullshit you were
trying to pawn off on readers who don't yet know the extent of your chronic
dishonesty.

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Pervert" <***@spambad.yahoo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.activism,alt.california,alt.politics.europe,alt.politics.liberalism,ba.p
olitics
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: Tookie Williams' victim photos

Post by Bill Z.
I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to you because I

Post by Bill Z.
not like you. I do not like you or have the slightest bit of respect for
you because assume a phony air of superiority even when you don't know

what

Post by Bill Z.
the hell you're talking about. I cite this latest error as just another
example of your ignorance, stupidity and dishonesty
No joke, Billy boy. You're not a nice, or even decent person. I have
nothing but contempt for you.
I really don't care that you're gay or that you like Gilbert and Sullivan.
I don't care that you're liberal, progressive, or whatever you think you

are.

Post by Bill Z.
please whether that meets with your approval or not.
Deal with it. The way to stop me ridiculing and humiliating you is to

start

Post by Bill Z.
being honest and stop taking pride in sounding so stupid.
What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.

As always, it is you who are shown to be the hate filled liar. It is you
who is dumb enough to try your same old bullshit, only to be exposed yet
again by your own words.

It has been said that insanity can be defined as someone who does the same
thing over and over again expecting a different result. You were shown
before to be a liar, and are shown once again to be a liar. Did you expect
a different result this time?

And now you will post the same abbreviated (therefore inaccurate and
dishonest by your attempt to deceive) quote and hope that somebody out there
is as stupid as you and will buy your bullshit.

You claim that I'm a "nasty troll with a grudge." Wouldn't it be more
logical for *you* to have a grudge for being exposed as a liar and fraud so
consistently and so often? Of course it would. You have the means (lying
in your posts), motive (hatred and anger at being exposed so often as a
dishonest fraud), and opportunity (...to post your hate filled dishonest
bullshit hoping that those who aren't familiar with your dishonesty might
buy your bullshit and actually believe anything you have to say).

Now the question I have for you is, are you going to be so stupid as to try
that same old hate filled lying bullshit again, knowing that once again I
will humiliate you by exposing your dishonesty?

Are you going to be that stupid, Bill?

I think you will.

Bill Z.

2006-09-11 14:12:18 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

Yes, DO look at it. I stand by that. But as always, you only quoted HALF
of what I said (thus again confirming your dishonesty.

It is not "dishonest" to snip a long content-free rant that just
consists of a mindless personal attack to quote the one relevant
sentence in it - the one that actually explains your behavior. It is
not surprising that you want that burried in lines and lines of trash
talk so that nobody would notice.

Post by The Pervert
Why don't you ever post the entire quote? That's right, Bill. You don't
ever post the entire quote because you are chronically dishonest.

Becuase your entire "quote" consist of so much drivel that nobody
would see the few lines of text that I'm actually adding in a
response. As with most trolls, you simply want to see your mindless
garbage repeated.

As I said, check out Message-ID: <xMudnZuh66yX223eRVn-***@comcast.com>
where "The Pervert" stated the real reason for his behavior:

"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.

And check out Message-ID: <oN2r5.25803$***@typhoon.we.rr.com>
for how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the
same person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass
readers by quoting it. (And note that he was too embarassed to
explain that one away in his current rant.)

The Pervert

2006-09-11 23:46:33 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

Yes, DO look at it. I stand by that. But as always, you only quoted HALF
of what I said (thus again confirming your dishonesty.

It's not surprising that you want to avoid the part that fully conveys the
accurate meaning and intention. You're once again shown to be thoroughly
dishonest. And yes, because of your demonstrated dishonesty, I don't like
you. Quote that, Bill!

But you won't. That would take some modicum of honesty that you don't have.
It would also be an admission that you've been a liar. (You won't quote
that, either.)

Post by The Pervert
Why don't you ever post the entire quote? That's right, Bill. You don't
ever post the entire quote because you are chronically dishonest.

And yet you repeazt your own mindless (and demonstrably dishonest) garbage?
Got projection?

As usual, you're a liar.

You edited the post to suit your dishonesty. I'll give you an example that
even you might understand. If someone quoted "Joe Blow is a gay..." when
in fact the entire text was "Joe Blow is a gay basher" would you consider
the edited version the truth? I doubt it.

You're dishonest and you're a nasty little shit, Bill. For that reason, I
don't like you. Not becasue you're gay.

It has been said that the truth shall set you free. You'll just have to take
my word on that one.

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 01:03:46 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
It is not "dishonest" to snip a long content-free rant that just
consists of a mindless personal attack to quote the one relevant
sentence in it - the one that actually explains your behavior. It is
not surprising that you want that burried in lines and lines of trash
talk so that nobody would notice.

It's not surprising that you want to avoid the part that fully conveys the
accurate meaning and intention.

There was no "meaning and intention" in the part I snipped but rather
a string of lies and personal attacks, and the part I quoted was what
I was commenting on as that is where you stated your motive.

Check out Message-ID: <xMudnZuh66yX223eRVn-***@comcast.com> where "The
Pervert" stated the real reason for his behavior:

"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.

And check out Message-ID: <oN2r5.25803$***@typhoon.we.rr.com> for
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

The Pervert

2006-09-12 01:21:54 UTC

It's not surprising that you want to avoid the part that fully conveys the
accurate meaning and intention.

As always, Bill, you lie.

And isn't it interesting that you repeat your edited (and thus dishonest)
version of your lie? One can only wonder why you seem so afraid of the
truth. But I suppose if you did that, you'd be forced to acknowlege your
chronic, and fully documented and demonstrated dishonesty.

Post by Bill Z.
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."
What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

And yet you embarrass yourself by partially only quoting something, with the
intent to mislead. That, of course, is your dishonesty.

You're a liar, Bill. You can't escape that, no matter how you edit.

What amazes me is that you could possibly think anybody who has ever read
your bullshit would ever believe anything you have to say, even if you were
accidentally truthful some day.

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 05:27:25 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
There was no "meaning and intention" in the part I snipped but rather
a string of lies and personal attacks, and the part I quoted was what
I was commenting on as that is where you stated your motive.

As always, Bill, you lie.

No, you do. Other than one factual statement about your motive, you
lied and lied in one baseless personal attack after another. But that
is what you do in most of your posts.

Post by The Pervert
And isn't it interesting that you repeat your edited (and thus dishonest)
version of your lie? One can only wonder why you seem so afraid of the
truth. But I suppose if you did that, you'd be forced to acknowlege your
chronic, and fully documented and demonstrated dishonesty.

Liar - quoting part of a post is not "editing" it as what I quoted was
precisely what you said. Anyone can check the message ID and the quoted
text and tell.

Post by Bill Z.
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

<repetition snipped>
You're a liar, Bill. You can't escape that, no matter how you edit.

The fact is that you are lying through your teeth, and the message ID
I quoted in fact contained the text I claimed. You clearly stated that
you have a grudge and your rationale for that grudge is irrelevant
(and a bald-faced lie on your part to boot).

Post by The Pervert
What amazes me is that you could possibly think anybody who has ever read
your bullshit would ever believe anything you have to say, even if you were
accidentally truthful some day.

What a bald-faced liar you are!

DCI

2006-09-12 05:30:40 UTC

As always, Bill, you lie.

No, you do. Other than one factual statement about your motive, you
lied and lied in one baseless personal attack after another. But that
is what you do in most of your posts.

Liar - quoting part of a post is not "editing" it as what I quoted was
precisely what you said. Anyone can check the message ID and the quoted
text and tell.

Post by Bill Z.
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

<repetition snipped>
You're a liar, Bill. You can't escape that, no matter how you edit.

What a bald-faced liar you are!

Hive 'im hell, Lil' Bill. You'll win one of these silly cyber
arguments yet. But not tonight!

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 06:04:11 UTC

Post by DCI
Hive 'im hell, Lil' Bill. You'll win one of these silly cyber
arguments yet. But not tonight!
DCI

DCI has nothing to say, so he/she posted some ritual noises
typical of what the British call back benchers.

DCI

2006-09-12 15:10:44 UTC

Post by DCI
Hive 'im hell, Lil' Bill. You'll win one of these silly cyber
arguments yet. But not tonight!
DCI

DCI has nothing to say, so he/she posted some ritual noises
typical of what the British call back benchers.

As a matter of fact, parroting back the importance of your words is
rather easy. You actually have said little up to this point.

Next post.

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 00:29:28 UTC

Post by DCI
Hive 'im hell, Lil' Bill. You'll win one of these silly cyber
arguments yet. But not tonight!
DCI

DCI has nothing to say, so he/she posted some ritual noises
typical of what the British call back benchers.

As a matter of fact, parroting back the importance of your words is
rather easy. You actually have said little up to this point.

What precisely is there to say beyond calling attention to your
behavior when all you post is a string of infantile insults?

DCI

2006-09-13 02:22:27 UTC

Post by DCI
Hive 'im hell, Lil' Bill. You'll win one of these silly cyber
arguments yet. But not tonight!
DCI

DCI has nothing to say, so he/she posted some ritual noises
typical of what the British call back benchers.

As a matter of fact, parroting back the importance of your words is
rather easy. You actually have said little up to this point.

What precisely is there to say beyond calling attention to your
behavior when all you post is a string of infantile insults?

No strings attached, Lil' Bill, none whatsoever. You're a fun guy.

DCI

The Pervert

2006-09-12 10:32:55 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Liar - quoting part of a post is not "editing"

I rest my case... by editing your silliness.

Post by Bill Z.
...it as what I quoted was
precisely what you said. Anyone can check the message ID and the quoted
text and tell.

Actually, I posted the entire segment and you felt compelled to cut it out,
probably for fear of being exposed as the liar I've always shown you to be.
Do you want me to post it again... since you never actually post anything
that doesn't advance your dishonesty?

Poor, poor, pitiful Bill. Once again you hysterically squirm at being
outed.

And have you noticed that you've never been able to "prove" I'm this
imaginary liar with any quotes of what I've written?

There's a reason for that, Bill. Just as there's a reason I *have* shown
YOU to be a liar... time and time again. But you always edit that stuff and
claim that it doesn't exist.

Poor, pitiful, conflicted Bill. Have you noticed that virtually nobody has
any interesting in coming to your aid or defense?

My guess is that Slick will later today in response to this. It will be her
usual rambling bullshit, but be sure she'll write something lengthy... that
makes no sense. Perhaps you two have that in common as well.

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 14:13:46 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Liar - quoting part of a post is not "editing"

I rest my case... by editing your silliness.

Post by Bill Z.
...it as what I quoted was
precisely what you said. Anyone can check the message ID and the quoted
text and tell.

LOL! Unlike you, I included the message ID for anyone who wanted to
see the original and just quoted the relevant portion of your post
(one sentence), cutting your mindless rant. You must be really
desparate to see your nonsense repeated ad nauseum, and if I didn't
snip a lot of it, nobody would find the few lines of text I types
as a response. Of course, probably that is what you really want.
Don't you know that your tactics are obvious to everyone? It really
makes you look iike a fool.

<snip>

Post by The Pervert
Poor, poor, pitiful Bill. Once again you hysterically squirm at being
outed.

Liar.

<snip>

The Pervert

2006-09-13 03:49:28 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Liar - quoting part of a post is not "editing"

I rest my case... by editing your silliness.

Post by Bill Z.
...it as what I quoted was
precisely what you said. Anyone can check the message ID and the quoted
text and tell.

Post by The Pervert
Poor, poor, pitiful Bill. Once again you hysterically squirm at being
outed.

Liar.
<snip>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lie

lie 2 (l)
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
v. lied, ly·ing (lng), lies
v.intr.
1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression: Appearances often lie.
v.tr.
To cause to be in a specific condition or affect in a specific way by
telling falsehoods: You have lied yourself into trouble.
Idiom:
lie through one's teeth
To lie outrageously or brazenly.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

li·ar (lr)
n.
One that tells lies.

Describes you accurately, said description having been substantiated time
after time.

All you could get me for was not having a message ID even though I
accuraltely provided the material showing how you lied, i.e., conveying a
false image or impression with the intent to deceive. (Message ID's don't
come up on my version of Outlook, apparently.) You, on the other hand, told
lies (see definition) and are thus, a liar (see definition).

Here it is again. The messsage ID as provided by you (so I cannot in any
vouch for its honesty or accuracy) is <xMudnZuh66yX223eRVn-***@comcast.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Pervert" <***@spambad.yahoo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.activism,alt.california,alt.politics.europe,alt.politics.liberalism,ba.p
olitics
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: Tookie Williams' victim photos

Post by Bill Z.
I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to you because I

Post by Bill Z.
not like you. I do not like you or have the slightest bit of respect for
you because assume a phony air of superiority even when you don't know

what

are.

Post by Bill Z.
I care that you're dishonest and try to pawn off your dishonesty and
superior thinking. You're a liar. Thus, I will expose your dishonesty,
ridicule your bullshit, and express my unbridled contempt for you whenever
I please whether that meets with your approval or not.
Deal with it. The way to stop me ridiculing and humiliating you is to
start being honest and stop taking pride in sounding so stupid.

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 04:26:20 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
LOL! Unlike you, I included the message ID for anyone who wanted to
see the original and just quoted the relevant portion of your post
(one sentence), cutting your mindless rant. You must be really
desparate to see your nonsense repeated ad nauseum, and if I didn't
snip a lot of it, nobody would find the few lines of text I types
as a response. Of course, probably that is what you really want.
Don't you know that your tactics are obvious to everyone? It really
makes you look iike a fool.
<snip>

Post by The Pervert
Poor, poor, pitiful Bill. Once again you hysterically squirm at being
outed.

Liar.
<snip>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lie
lie 2 (l)
n.

<snip> Quoting a dictionary won't change the fact that you are a
bald-faced liar. As I said, check out Message-ID:
<xMudnZuh66yX223eRVn-***@comcast.com> where "The Pervert" stated the
real reason for his behavior:

"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."

What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.

And check out Message-ID: <oN2r5.25803$***@typhoon.we.rr.com> for
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

And those are the facts.

The Pervert

2006-09-13 09:29:22 UTC

Post by The Pervert
Poor, poor, pitiful Bill. Once again you hysterically squirm at being
outed.

Liar.
<snip>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lie
lie 2 (l)
n.

<snip> Quoting a dictionary won't change the fact that you are a
"I will be rude to you whenever I please. I will be rude to
you because I do not like you."
What we have in "The Pervert" is a nasty troll with a grudge who will
say anything to further it, lying through his teeth as needed. He
was dumb enough to post the real reason for everything he says, showing
that he is really a hate filled, pitiful creature.
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.
And those are the facts.

Faaabulous! You were provided with both the message ID *and* the message
you dishonestly edited, and STILL you were compelled to try and hide the
evidence!

Poor, poor, pitiful Bill. You can't fool anybody with your bullshit, can
you.

Irrefutably busted yet still denies he's full of shit despite
incontrovertible evidence. Isn't that how you (inadequately) handle your
orientation conflict?

Poor Bill.

Make that pathetic Bill.

My work here is done.

But I'll come back and humiliate you just for my own amusement... at your
expense

DCI

2006-09-11 16:01:28 UTC

Post by The Pervert
You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert and
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But as long
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?

DCI

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-11 19:55:25 UTC

I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?
DCI

I say I am keeping track of IP address and such and will probably have
to call the FBI over the screaming wrestling type threats I've been
getting somewhere else, because they have a lot in common with Stan,
plus I had an IP show in the path with MISMATCH! attached and it was
based in San Diego. Is that a lot of coincidence? Eh, maybe but it's a
lot of hokey crap and I'm going to call the block owner and the host of
the foaming guy and get back to Google and probably the FBI too. Note
that I haven't xposted to the group where I have the trouble...I will
deal with that separately, but notice has been given.

Stan de SD

2006-09-11 20:13:02 UTC

I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?
DCI

Are you accusing me of threatening you? Maybe you need to lay off of the
self-medication, dude. :O|

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD
Is that a lot of coincidence? Eh, maybe but it's a
lot of hokey crap and I'm going to call the block owner and the host of
the foaming guy and get back to Google and probably the FBI too. Note
that I haven't xposted to the group where I have the trouble...I will
deal with that separately, but notice has been given.

Don't forget to tell the FBI about Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, Ann Coulter,
and the conspirators who planted those explosives in the WTC to bring the
buildings down in case the planes hijacked by the Dastardly Zionists didn't
hit their target. Ever been checked out for the possibility that you are
suffering from Paranoid Personality Disorder? :Oo

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-11 20:35:16 UTC

Post by The Pervert
You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert

and

Post by The Pervert
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But

as long

Post by The Pervert
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

for

Post by Bill Z.
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?
DCI

Are you accusing me of threatening you? Maybe you need to lay off of the
self-medication, dude. :O|

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-11 20:37:13 UTC

Post by The Pervert
You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert

and

Post by The Pervert
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But

as long

Post by The Pervert
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

for

Post by Bill Z.
how bad he seems to be (someone else, hc23hc, claims it is the same
person). What it shows is bad enough that I won't embarass readers by
quoting it.

I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?
DCI

Are you accusing me of threatening you? Maybe you need to lay off of the
self-medication, dude. :O|

No, you seem to be having one just fine. By the way, I voted for Bush.

The Pervert

2006-09-11 23:48:34 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD
No, you seem to be having one just fine. By the way, I voted for Bush.

Why?

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 01:13:06 UTC

I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?

Not it is not correct. Anyone can look at a random assortment of
his posts and can tell those are mostly content-free personal
attacks. And I might add that he jumped into this thread and
his initial post was a baseless, content-free personal attack.

For interested readers, DCI is a junior member of the
Stan-Pervert-Jafo usenet cabal. When one shows up, the others
usually do to.

DCI is as dishonest as the rest, as is evident by his/her post above
which simply ignores the fact that I had in fact documented exactly
what I claimed by giving the relevant message IDs for readers to
check.

DCI

2006-09-12 05:15:39 UTC

Post by DCI
I take it you don't like The Pervert and will say anything you want
about him, even if it is false, is that correct?

Not it is not correct. Anyone can look at a random assortment of
his posts and can tell those are mostly content-free personal
attacks. And I might add that he jumped into this thread and
his initial post was a baseless, content-free personal attack.
For interested readers, DCI is a junior member of the
Stan-Pervert-Jafo usenet cabal. When one shows up, the others
usually do to.
DCI is as dishonest as the rest, as is evident by his/her post above
which simply ignores the fact that I had in fact documented exactly
what I claimed by giving the relevant message IDs for readers to
check.

Good summation, Bill Z; however, you are wrong on several important
points. The first being, you called me a junior member. Rest assured,
I am a senior member. Second, you indicated that I am dishonest as the
rest. Bill Z, you are the pot calling the kettle again. As to showing
up when others do, if course. But what does that have to do with you
when you show up.

Carry on, Lil' Bill.

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 05:30:09 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
DCI is as dishonest as the rest, as is evident by his/her post above
which simply ignores the fact that I had in fact documented exactly
what I claimed by giving the relevant message IDs for readers to
check.

No DCI, the lot of you - Stanley, Jafo, "The Pevert" and you post
lie after lie after lie. You are all an embarassment to humanity.
But at least this time you admitted that the lot of you are part of
some "usenet gang" who go aroound supporting each other. That's
the only accurate thing I've ever seen you say.

DCI

2006-09-12 05:34:33 UTC

Holy Cheeerist! Humanity, eh? Damn! You sure do play to must
solitaire.

You're sort of ticklish, aren't you? The way you cyber giggle say a
lot about you.

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 06:05:19 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
No DCI, the lot of you - Stanley, Jafo, "The Pevert" and you post
lie after lie after lie. You are all an embarassment to humanity.
But at least this time you admitted that the lot of you are part of
some "usenet gang" who go aroound supporting each other. That's
the only accurate thing I've ever seen you say.

Holy Cheeerist! Humanity, eh? Damn! You sure do play to must
solitaire.
You're sort of ticklish, aren't you? The way you cyber giggle say a
lot about you.

More ritual gruntings due to having no valid reply?

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-12 06:57:19 UTC

You guys are on your own now.

DCI

2006-09-12 15:13:15 UTC

Holy Cheeerist! Humanity, eh? Damn! You sure do play to must
solitaire.
You're sort of ticklish, aren't you? The way you cyber giggle say a
lot about you.

More ritual gruntings due to having no valid reply?

Anything having to do with a ritual is in your department. Mirroring
back what you repeat is my department. Say something important or
profound and you gain my respect.

Next post.

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 00:30:56 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
More ritual gruntings due to having no valid reply?

Anything having to do with a ritual is in your department. Mirroring
back what you repeat is my department. Say something important or
profound and you gain my respect.

You don't deserve a comment of any importance because you are simply
another mindless troll in a well known cabal of usenet kooks.

DCI

2006-09-13 02:24:49 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
More ritual gruntings due to having no valid reply?

Anything having to do with a ritual is in your department. Mirroring
back what you repeat is my department. Say something important or
profound and you gain my respect.

You don't deserve a comment of any importance because you are simply
another mindless troll in a well known cabal of usenet kooks.

Not mindless at all, Lil' Bill. So now I am well known? Wow, fame and
fortune lie ahead.

Keep up the good work. Life is far too important to be taken so
seriously.

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 03:31:38 UTC

Post by DCI
Anything having to do with a ritual is in your department. Mirroring
back what you repeat is my department. Say something important or
profound and you gain my respect.

You don't deserve a comment of any importance because you are simply
another mindless troll in a well known cabal of usenet kooks.

Not mindless at all, Lil' Bill. So now I am well known? Wow, fame and
fortune lie ahead.

The cabal is well known but *you* are "well known" only in the sense of
"oh, you are one of *them*?"

Post by DCI
Keep up the good work. Life is far too important to be taken so
seriously.

Nobody is taking you seriously.

DCI

2006-09-13 04:21:53 UTC

Post by DCI
Anything having to do with a ritual is in your department. Mirroring
back what you repeat is my department. Say something important or
profound and you gain my respect.

You don't deserve a comment of any importance because you are simply
another mindless troll in a well known cabal of usenet kooks.

Not mindless at all, Lil' Bill. So now I am well known? Wow, fame and
fortune lie ahead.

The cabal is well known but *you* are "well known" only in the sense of
"oh, you are one of *them*?"

Post by DCI
Keep up the good work. Life is far too important to be taken so
seriously.

Nobody is taking you seriously.

Of course not, so what does that have to do with your constant
harangue coupled attacks on posters you don't know? You may wish to
consider another approach. To date, you just don't seem too connected
to anything important other than making squeaky responses to people
with whom you have conflicts. But you're still a fun guy.

Next post!

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 04:23:22 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Nobody is taking you seriously.

What a liar you are! You jumped into this thread with a personal
attack, as did Stan and "The Pervert", and now you whine when I
merely tell you off. How hypocritical can you get?

DCI

2006-09-13 04:29:51 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Nobody is taking you seriously.

What a liar you are! You jumped into this thread with a personal
attack, as did Stan and "The Pervert", and now you whine when I
merely tell you off. How hypocritical can you get?

If I were to "attack" you, you wouldn't be posting much more than
drivel.

Next post.

DCI

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 04:53:27 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Nobody is taking you seriously.

What a liar you are! You jumped into this thread with a personal
attack, as did Stan and "The Pervert", and now you whine when I
merely tell you off. How hypocritical can you get?

If I were to "attack" you, you wouldn't be posting much more than
drivel.

What a mindless troll!

hc23hc

2006-09-13 08:27:46 UTC

Post by DCI
If I were to "attack" you, you wouldn't be posting much more than
drivel.

Your bite's even worse than your barf...?

[kaboom!]

That was rough.... Thing to do now is try and forget it.... I guess I
don't quite mean that. It's not a thing you can forget. Maybe not
even a thing you want to forget.... Life's like that sometimes... Now
and then for no good reason a man can figure out, life will just haul
off and knock him flat, slam him agin' the ground so hard it seems like
all his insides is busted. But it's not all like that. A lot of it's
mighty fine, and you can't afford to waste the good part frettin' about
the bad. That makes it all bad.... Sure, I know - sayin' it's one
thing and feelin' it's another. But I'll tell you a trick that's
sometimes a big help. When you start lookin' around for something good
to take the place of the bad, as a general rule you can find it. ~From
the movie Old Yeller

.
.
.

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-13 08:35:31 UTC

Do you guys realize it had been 21 posts since I last posted and
nobodies' even told me to fuck off?

What's a middle aged antichrist to do?

The Pervert

2006-09-13 09:31:58 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD
Do you guys realize it had been 21 posts since I last posted and
nobodies' even told me to fuck off?

Sorry.

Fuck off!

(Feel better now?)

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD
What's a middle aged antichrist to do?

I dunno. Get religion?

Nah. It's been done to death... so to speak.

Stan de SD

2006-09-11 16:11:59 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Thanks for for the background music, Bill. It all sounds like a broken
record to me, though.

Bill "I'm NOT gay, you homophobe, you!" Zaumen IS a broken record...

You give honest gays a bad name, Billy boy. That you're stupid and
dishonest is more relevant. Go back and argue about which Gilbert and
Sullivan thing I saw thirty years ago.
And then claim some kind of silly victory which you never won. But as long
as you say you did, that's all that matters, right?

For the record, I'm not trying to insinuate that those are his exact words,
or that Bill is necessarily light in the loafers either. I'm just making a
reference to his humorous penchant of taking personal offense at remarks he
terms "homophobic" while simultaneously INSISTING he's not gay. He remind's
me of Bill Cosby's old skit about the kid putting the bullet in the furnace
in shop class... :Oo

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 02:10:56 UTC

Post by Stan de SD
For the record, I'm not trying to insinuate that those are his exact words,
or that Bill is necessarily light in the loafers either.

I.e., Stan lied in his previous post.

Post by Stan de SD
I'm just making a reference to his humorous penchant of taking
personal offense at remarks he terms "homophobic" while
simultaneously INSISTING he's not gay.

Stan is lying again: I challenged him before to find one single post
on usenet where I stated any personal information regarding my sexual
orientation, so he should either put up or shut up. My sexual
orientation isn't relevant to the newsgroups I post on. I won't post
my eye color either, because that is also not relevant. I just don't
post irrelevant personal information. But, in fact some of Stan's
posts are by any objective standard homophobic. No, I'm not
personally offended any more than I'm "offended" by a dog howling at
the moon---I'm just telling it like it is.

I do, however, reserve the right to point out when he gets numbers
wrong, which covers perhaps 99% of any comments I made about Stan's
opinions on his favorite topic. :-)

The Pervert

2006-09-12 02:35:41 UTC

Post by Stan de SD
For the record, I'm not trying to insinuate that those are his exact words,
or that Bill is necessarily light in the loafers either.

I.e., Stan lied in his previous post.

Post by Stan de SD
I'm just making a reference to his humorous penchant of taking
personal offense at remarks he terms "homophobic" while
simultaneously INSISTING he's not gay.

You don't tell anything like it is!

It's interesting that, while you have not divulged your sexual orientation,
you seem to be ashamed of that as well, even when it's so obvious. My gay
friends consider their orientation as a simple matter of fact, and don't try
and hide it. Considering what business I'm in, my gaydar isn't all that bad
(although I admit to having been fooled once in a while).

Should I be ashamed of being a breeder? I'm not embarrassed to admit who
and what I am. And I'm open and honest enough to be forthright about who I
am and most of what I've done in my life.

Maybe you're different.

And why are you so afraid to admit that you have brown, hazel, or blue eyes?
Mine are blue. Should I be ashamed of that?

Post by Bill Z.
I do, however, reserve the right to point out when he gets numbers
wrong, which covers perhaps 99% of any comments I made about Stan's
opinions on his favorite topic. :-)

Just like I reserve the right to point out that you're a liar. It's a
public service I provide. It's also cheap entertainment for me at your
expense.

hc23hc

2006-09-12 03:49:56 UTC

Post by The Pervert
It's interesting that, while you have not divulged your sexual orientation,
you seem to be ashamed of that as well, even when it's so obvious. My gay
friends consider their orientation as a simple matter of fact, and don't try
and hide it. Considering what business I'm in, my gaydar isn't all that bad
(although I admit to having been fooled once in a while).

Did anyone ask you for this poofterishly effeminate self-portrait,
Serial Killer Pervert ?

No. So, stow it.

Post by The Pervert
Should I be ashamed of being a breeder?

You should be ashamed for your lack of personal hygiene, Pervert -- but
since you've never in all your born days bred anything higher up the
food chain than toxic fungus throughout the cellulite crevasses of your
mammoth mass-murdering neocon carcass, calling yourself a breeder's a
bit like calling yourself a TV star. Which you're not, either.

Post by The Pervert
I'm not embarrassed to admit who and what I am.

As a war criminal, you should be. And from the cowardly way you hide
behind a petty killfile, you don't look too 'open and honest' at all,
from the outside, Pervert. Just fantastically overweight, pig-eyed
yellow and stupid.

Post by The Pervert
And I'm open and honest enough to be forthright about who I
am and most of what I've done in my life.

Most, you say. But not all.

How about abuse of the usenet for the solicitation of hubbysex, traffic
in controlled substances, pimping teenage junkie hookers to your obese
bi-curious fellow neocons, and of course your war crimes --
mass-murdering and maiming more unarmed civilians than you can count,
Pervert ?

Before you go back to gang-thumping on Bill Z with DCIWuvWarCrime and
that odious bully Stain de STD, tell me, what's your heroic 911 angle
on all *that*... Pervert ?

Ready to fess up, Perver, or must the Prosecutor extract it from you
like a stoolpigeon in Gitmo ?

.
.
.

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-12 04:02:23 UTC

Jeebus! I never knew all the gay sex could be that tantric. It's lasted
two weeks!

Mother of Pearl...this takes the cake AND 5 cookies.

SDA

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 05:42:53 UTC

Post by The Pervert
It's interesting that, while you have not divulged your sexual
orientation, you seem to be ashamed of that as well, even when
it's so obvious. My gay friends consider their orientation as a
simple matter of fact, and don't try and hide it. Considering
what business I'm in, my gaydar isn't all that bad (although I
admit to having been fooled once in a while).

That's nice, but some people don't post personal information of any
kind on usenet discussion groups about politics, where such personal
information is simply not relevant. Such information has nothing to
do with political issues, and is not a question of being "ashamed"
given that I won't post my height, eye color, or any other similar
personal information that is not relevant.

Of course, I'm very curious as to why *you* think it is so important
that you speculate ad nauseum. Your obsession about me suggests that
you have very serious emotional problems. I suggest you get some
professional help for that.

Post by hc23hc
Did anyone ask you for this poofterishly effeminate self-portrait,
Serial Killer Pervert ?

Perhaps he'll post what "business" he is in. My guess is that it is
pretty unseemly.

Post by The Pervert
Should I be ashamed of being a breeder?

You should be ashamed for your lack of personal hygiene, Pervert
<snip>

Aside from his hygiene, he should be ashamed of being a "breeder"
because he'd no doubt drag down the gene pool if he reproduced! :-)

Post by The Pervert
I'm not embarrassed to admit who and what I am.

Post by The Pervert
And I'm open and honest enough to be forthright about who I
am and most of what I've done in my life.

Most, you say. But not all.

(Which is why he is carefully not commenting about the *second*
message ID I posted in my canned response to him - i.e., message ID

Post by hc23hc
How about abuse of the usenet for the solicitation of hubbysex, traffic
in controlled substances, pimping teenage junkie hookers to your obese
bi-curious fellow neocons, and of course your war crimes --
mass-murdering and maiming more unarmed civilians than you can count,
Pervert ?
Before you go back to gang-thumping on Bill Z with DCIWuvWarCrime and
that odious bully Stain de STD, tell me, what's your heroic 911 angle
on all *that*... Pervert ?
Ready to fess up, Perver, or must the Prosecutor extract it from you
like a stoolpigeon in Gitmo ?

Let's send him to Gitmo and let the inmates interrogate him! :-)

hc23hc

2006-09-12 08:20:06 UTC

Post by The Pervert
It's interesting that, while you have not divulged your sexual
orientation, you seem to be ashamed of that as well, even when
it's so obvious. My gay friends consider their orientation as a
simple matter of fact, and don't try and hide it. Considering
what business I'm in, my gaydar isn't all that bad (although I
admit to having been fooled once in a while).

That's nice, but some people don't post personal information of any
kind on usenet discussion groups about politics, where such personal
information is simply not relevant.

It wouldn't be relevant but for The Pervert and Stain de STD's
compulsive agony-column falsetto duets plugging up
alt.politics.homosexuality, with their braying about how "straight"
they wish to appear. Or, in The Pervert's case of teen junkie hoochie
solicitation, how much Pervie values appearing "vanilla" [quote
supplied below].

Post by Bill Z.
Of course, I'm very curious as to why *you* think it is so important
that you speculate ad nauseum. Your obsession about me suggests that
you have very serious emotional problems. I suggest you get some
professional help for that.

The Pervert definitely has some emotional problems. Some of which he'd
have even if he hadn't slain more unarmed civilians than he can count.
At around 320lbs *over*weight, he's entitled to a self-esteem issue or
two. He ate his way to neurotic minor celebrity status. Inside every
ignoble Bombsaway Bobb The Pervert is a brace of cooter mutant Anna
Nicole Smiths with penises trying to chew their way out.

Pity help us all, if they ever do.

Post by hc23hc
Did anyone ask you for this poofterishly effeminate self-portrait,
Serial Killer Pervert ?

Perhaps he'll post what "business" he is in. My guess is that it is
pretty unseemly.

Well, whenever Bombsway Bobb's not pining for his fallen war criminal
comrades, overeating, or dwelling on the extra portions of war crime
he's too fat to be allowed to partake of de nouveau, he's routinely
appearing on national TV as an unnaturally fat person. See below:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0633659/

Note his featured appearance in Men In Tights, coinciding with some of
his most egregious leering from alt.pantyhose. At which time, he was
also feverishly sizing up the teen junkie hooker market for underpaid
"interns" whom he could "share" with his "friends", fellow terminally
obese troilists and probable war criminals of lesser stature than
himself.

For an idea of Fat Bob's obesity as it was 15 years ago, see:

http://www.billandted.org/bjcastindex.html

Post by The Pervert
Should I be ashamed of being a breeder?

You should be ashamed for your lack of personal hygiene, Pervert
<snip>

Aside from his hygiene, he should be ashamed of being a "breeder"
because he'd no doubt drag down the gene pool if he reproduced! :-)

Luckily for the human species, Pervie can no longer extend his flabby
little flippers far enough to reach his own genitalia, let alone
achieve their insertion in anyone more feminine than la Stain de STD or
Dirty Uncle Jafo's butt turtle, DCIWuvWarCrime.

This plus the overzealous vasectomy which set Pervie's weight gain in
motion to begin with mean that his chances of breeding, even if a
strung-out teenage junkie could be found of sufficiently low morals and
far gone enough on stolen Percodan to blind herself to his blubbering
vastness... nope -- breeding with The Pervert is *not* an option at
this time.

Just, not.

Post by The Pervert
I'm not embarrassed to admit who and what I am.

Post by The Pervert
And I'm open and honest enough to be forthright about who I
am and most of what I've done in my life.

Most, you say. But not all.

(Which is why he is carefully not commenting about the *second*
message ID I posted in my canned response to him - i.e., message ID

Not for the faint-hearted, but here's The Pervert's true self sliming
through:

Depravity:

Message-ID: <***@flash.net>

Message-ID: <***@flash.net>#1/1

Message-ID: <***@artlink.ne>#1/1

Message-ID: <WV2r5.25861$***@typhoon.we.rr.com>#1/1

Perverted Thuggery:
Message-ID: <8t9B5.3918$***@typhoon.we.rr.com>#1/1

and
War Crime:

Message-ID: <ikY75.110654$***@typhoon.we.rr.com>#1/1

Message-ID: <***@earthlink.net>#1/1

Lack of Education, thrall of Urban Legend:

Message-ID: <9bpoa.4942$***@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>

The Pervert's pet escargot, Stain de STD, and suicide:

Message-ID: <8bgvar$ihg$***@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>#1/1

Demented and shitty though Stain & The Pervert may be, no... are, it's
the lunatic native Bakelite doody-bobbitry of butt turtle DCIWuv which
really cuts the cheese in the end. DCIWuvWarCrime's practically
begging to be smacked up like a runaway Diebold executive. But it
hasn't even dawned on the old bodger that since The Pervert's the most
violent person in this corner of the usenet, he should be taking on the
flabby war criminal, not sucking up to him. Same with Stain. Poor,
stupid misshapen little twerps.

Also, why it never seems to occur to these neocon loaf-pinching
wienerwaggers that if three of their ugliest kin can't subdue one Bill
Z. then the enlistment of Dirty Uncle Jafo and Gayfilte Mimi
"Ch'Lamiryam" Nose-Cohen isn't exactly about to make their Fight Club
status any less lowly...? No idea.

Let's send him to Gitmo and let the inmates interrogate him! :-)

Trouble is, at this point, The Pervert would go for a quick roll in the
guacamole with just about anything that might have him. He'd enjoy
frolicking with inmates too much. That, plus the very real danger of
the island sinking under Pervie's dead weight, even worse than the
tectonic imbalance he already exerts on California, makes this plan a
no-no as far as I'm concerned.

Those poor people... haven't they suffered enough without having The
Pervert condemn them to the bottom, not only of his anatomy but also
that of the Bermuda Triangle ?

.
.
.

The Pervert

2006-09-12 10:49:40 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Perhaps he'll post what "business" he is in. My guess is that it is
pretty unseemly.

Sure. Some might consider that pretty unseemly. It has been no secret for
years. I'm an actor. (Not a star by any measure, but I work more than
most.)

And as such, I have to be careful of mentally ill cyber stalkers like Slick.

Bill Z.

2006-09-12 14:15:26 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Perhaps he'll post what "business" he is in. My guess is that it is
pretty unseemly.

Sure. Some might consider that pretty unseemly. It has been no secret for
years. I'm an actor. (Not a star by any measure, but I work more than
most.)
And as such, I have to be careful of mentally ill cyber stalkers like Slick.

Oh, you are an "actor"? What kind of "actor" given your login name? :-)
Perhaps you can list the films you were in?

The Pervert

2006-09-12 16:19:40 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Perhaps he'll post what "business" he is in. My guess is that it is
pretty unseemly.

Sure. Some might consider that pretty unseemly. It has been no secret for
years. I'm an actor. (Not a star by any measure, but I work more than
most.)
And as such, I have to be careful of mentally ill cyber stalkers like Slick.

Oh, you are an "actor"? What kind of "actor" given your login name? :-)
Perhaps you can list the films you were in?

Of course I can, but I won't. As stated, there are nut jobs and cyber
staklers like you and Slick. If that doesn't meet with your approval, tough
shit.

Bill Z.

2006-09-13 00:28:20 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Oh, you are an "actor"? What kind of "actor" given your login name? :-)
Perhaps you can list the films you were in?

Of course I can, but I won't. As stated, there are nut jobs and
cyber staklers like you and Slick. If that doesn't meet with your
approval, tough shit.

What a friggin liar you are! I have not been "stalking" you. I've
been replying to your responses to my posts on a newsgroup that I
subcribe to. If anything, you are stalking me. In nearly all cases
where we've had any sort of argument, you started it and I've been
ignoring all your other posts.

Is the type of "acting" you do that embarassing? If the photo on the
web site whose URL hc23hc posted is really you, and you are doing some
porn to make ends meet (as one might expect from your screen name),
then I can see why you wouldn't want to mention it. That's why I gave
you a chance to post what you do first. If you don't want to say for
privacy reasons, however, then you should not be hypocritical and
demand that I post personal information while you won't.

The Pervert

2006-09-13 09:41:04 UTC

Post by Bill Z.
Oh, you are an "actor"? What kind of "actor" given your login name? :-)
Perhaps you can list the films you were in?

Of course I can, but I won't. As stated, there are nut jobs and
cyber stalkers like you and Slick. If that doesn't meet with your
approval, tough shit.

What a friggin liar you are! I have not been "stalking" you.

That's true. I was referring to Slick as the stalker. You're just a garden
variety nut job. Feel better now?

*snip*

Post by Bill Z.
If you don't want to say for privacy reasons, however,
then you should not be hypocritical and demand that
I post personal information while you won't.

I *did* post personal information. I'm a breeder and I have blue eyes.

What I *didn't* post was specific professional information about myself.
Unlike some here, I'm not totally stupid.

Stan de SD

2006-09-09 20:55:35 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Are you looking for gay sex, Stan?

You're out of luck, perv. Try hitting up on Bill Zaumen... anyhow, nice
knowing that you couldn't refute anything I brought up...

Then why the HELL are you on this kick, and you need a vagina first,
not just acting like a pussy.

Yeah, how dare I question the wisdom of a local government sponsoring and
providing taxpayer-funded resources for an activity that even it's
apologists need to lie about. Free speech is a bitch, ain't it?

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-09 21:00:01 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Are you looking for gay sex, Stan?

You're out of luck, perv. Try hitting up on Bill Zaumen... anyhow, nice
knowing that you couldn't refute anything I brought up...

Then why the HELL are you on this kick, and you need a vagina first,
not just acting like a pussy.

You certainly are "free speech"

2006-09-06 12:47:26 UTC

<cross-posting snipped>

Post by Stan de SD
Correction: the SF politicos are so indoctrinated with the PC mindset

that

Post by Stan de SD
they pander to the fringe element by sponsoring an event consisting of

male

Post by Stan de SD
homosexuals parading around in leather and soliciting casual sex. :O(

Yet their website features an event with a title and graphics suggesting
anal sex, and a photo of some guy pulling on the pants zipper of another
dude with his teeth. Nothing to do with homosexuals, right?
Nice try. Why do people in SF feel compelled to lie all the time? Is it
their way of dealing with the embarrassment of being the nation's
laughingstock, or what?

I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents. What San Diego represents is:

(a) a peculiar interest in topics like anal sex
that occur in other places, and gossipy chatter
pertaining to such interests between virgins.
(b) an ugly red patch in a blue state.
(c) Bakersfield by the Sea. (Sorry. Des Moines
by the Sea is already taken by Long Beach, and
if there is one place around Los Angeles that
resembles San Diego, it's Long Beach.)
(d) a lopsided population of male sailors.
(e) old boy politics.
(f) proximity to Orange County.
(g) no big city culture of its own.
(h) a place where Westside Angelenos are transferred by
their employers as punishment for misdeeds on the job.
("Hey, we could'a shipped you off to Chicago!")

Is there an sd.broadcast newsgroup? Is there a 50-kw AM
station in San Diego that everybody in the Bay Area listens
to? A typical Monday morning conversation between two
people in L.A. goes thus:

"We went to 'Dago' for the weekend."

"Zzzzz."

It's only 120 miles to Los Angeles, the recording capital
of the world, and yet when I examine a database for
my inventory of classical recordings (I have about 5000
CDs), I can't find a single performance that was recorded
in San Diego. I can find other low-culture places.
Phoenix and Oklahoma City are in there. But *nothing*
happens in San Diego. Nada. To be fair, I do have an
old LP live performance recording of Beverly Sills singing
in "The Merry Widow" with the so-named San Diego Opera
30 years ago that isn't in the database. But it was actually
recorded in L.A., or at least I think I was. It was at
Schoenberg Hall. I was in the audience.

I could probably thrive in Dago. I can thrive anywhere.
But the place just doesn't have anything I care about.

--

Heard on KGO a few minutes ago: "Well, another day. Another
'terrorism speech [from the White House].'" Now that's the
sort of dry wit you are unlikely to hear on a San Diego
radio station.

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-06 15:04:01 UTC

I'm sure that at least one of my five vintage Trinitrons was built in
San Diego...I have not really looked but it would seem that way. I'm
certain San Diegans have a reason to hang or there wouldn't be a town
there.

Bill Z.

2006-09-06 15:41:51 UTC

Post by JC
I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents.

From what I can gather, it is some sort of leather/S&M/B&D
event that has become kind of a tourist attraction, where
the gawkers outnumber everyone else and take pictures to
scandalize their relatives back in Iowa. So the TV crews
show up as well. Usually the SF Comical has a few pics
a day or so after.

2006-09-06 16:09:09 UTC

Post by JC
I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents.

Yeah, and I'm not a Folsom Street attendee. I doubt
if Stan knows South of Market streets from the Castro
district, the latter once known more widely as Eureka
Valley.

The purpose of my post was to describe what a zero of a
place the bottom-most city in this state is. The first thing
the Franciscans did when they arrived in Alta California was
fall asleep there.

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-06 16:50:35 UTC

Post by JC
I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents.

It's the "el tourista" aspect/mardi gras thang...Good bad or ugly, San
Fransisco is always used in the context of gay cliche humor when I hear
it. "Gay Bay" etc. It's sad you guys don't even seem to have a really
great radio station that isn't gone and archived by David F. Jackson.
There ARE other places with as broad a gay residency, but you got stuck
with "flower power", "San Fransiscan Nights", etc and they don't even
make the Ghirardeli chocolate there anymore. My teacher/chaperone who
brought our Science Club to the Bay Area as the terminus of a summer
field trip to the Oregon coast and Northern California was a private
lesbian and it didn't have a thing to do with how she taught, nor was
it important and I didn't figure it out for fifteen years anyway.
Still, we never went near Castro, Chinatown and never Oakland. We
didn't even find a SAFEWAY! I knew (and at sixteen, shouldn't have)
where the sex theater was, and there was a sexual/lifestyle type paper
that was always next to the Chronicle and Examiner in 1982 (we never
read it, but there were about 10 people a day in the obits who died of
the new disease that had everyone wondering, but we were hicks from a
town of 2800).

I think the cable cars were being refurbished and we'd come in over the
Golden Gate for the next 2-3 days, hit the Wharf, was it the Steinhardt
Aquarium there or was it some other place, I listened to KFRC, KOIT,
don't recall KGO, no AMS radios so I was disappointed big time, met a
modest mechanic with a nearly new Maserati Biturbo he got at auction
(that was very cool as I read Motor Trend faithfully and knew what it
was).

Everything down the Oregon coast from CoosBay/Charleston to the border
near Yreka was expensive (a 16 oz bottle of RC cola was 60 cents!)
comparerd to Nyssa, Oregon and I remember seeing gas prices of 2.769 in
San Fransisco! Then I was told that it was a deal where you paid that
and they filled all fluids etc. PAH--it was 1.319 at my dad's station
for full service!

We took the scenic route (seagull on the signs) and one of the other
chaperones was teasing the teacher about finding all the lesbians
kissing on the beach...they did too...meanwhile I made a game of
counting Beamers and after finding them common as noses switched to
Ferraris and Vettes.

That being true and all, if you have an el tourista reputation you need
to make mucho grande lucre, cash money from your plight because
everybody needs food, toilet paper and comic books, cat. I think the
out of towners want mardi gras, and maybe Folsom Street does that.

Like physics though, every theory gets thrown out the window by every
Einstein wannabe with a string theory in his head (but no warlord races
like Klingons and Romulans to jazz it up like Star Trek).

Post by JC
Yeah, and I'm not a Folsom Street attendee. I doubt
if Stan knows South of Market streets from the Castro
district, the latter once known more widely as Eureka
Valley.
The purpose of my post was to describe what a zero of a
place the bottom-most city in this state is. The first thing
the Franciscans did when they arrived in Alta California was
fall asleep there.

They HAD to, there weren't free movie rentals, high speed internet
hookups or even room service. Just Cacti, Coyotes and Donkey Dung.

At least Denny's didn't have to seat the Donner party.

2006-09-07 01:16:06 UTC

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD writes:

[1982]

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
I think the cable cars were being refurbished and we'd come in over the
Golden Gate for the next 2-3 days, hit the Wharf, was it the Steinhardt
Aquarium there or was it some other place, I listened to KFRC, KOIT,
don't recall KGO, no AMS radios so I was disappointed big time, met a
modest mechanic with a nearly new Maserati Biturbo he got at auction
(that was very cool as I read Motor Trend faithfully and knew what it
was).

In those years, the old streetcars were phased out and replaced
with MUNI's light-rail cars. They run surface and underground
routes. The old term "streetcar" is still used in informal
speech. One historic streetcar line was restored: the F-Line
which runs Market and the Embarcadero from Castro to Fisherman's
Wharf.

Two kinds of buses operate: diesel powered and electric
trolley buses. I would estimate more routes have trolley buses.
A BART subway line also cuts across the City, and the CalTrain,
the Peninsula commuter line stops at three stations in the City
including the terminal in a scudzy South of Market neighborhood.

On any MUNI route, excluding cable cars, the rider is entitled
to a transfer which -- this is a deal! -- can be used to
board another bus anywhere in any direction for 90 minutes,
and can also be upgraded to one additional transfer. (However,
most residents purchase monthly bus passes which entitle them
to unlimited travel.)

The city of San Francisco wants you to use public transport. It
has arguably the best transit system in the country. Most bus
routes run so often that no one bothers looking up a schedule.

If you do insist on getting around in your car, you can
park for up to 2 hours on weekdays before 6 pm. (It may
or may not be free. Generally, metered parking has a
one-hour cap.) But if you don't mind a little hilly
walking, you can park for free along the periphery of Buena
Vista Park in (or physically above) the Haight for 4 hours
except on Thursday. In most residential neighborhoods, you
can park all day within a few blocks of your residence.
Residents have windshield stickers that designate their
eligibility.

These are things that every San Francisco driver already knows.
I write this just so there'll be some historic memorandum
of life in San Francisco in the early 21st century just in
case George Bush gets us nuked.

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-07 01:23:50 UTC

Post by JC
[1982]

That would have been the one.

Post by JC
Two kinds of buses operate: diesel powered and electric
trolley buses. I would estimate more routes have trolley buses.
A BART subway line also cuts across the City, and the CalTrain,
the Peninsula commuter line stops at three stations in the City
including the terminal in a scudzy South of Market neighborhood.
On any MUNI route, excluding cable cars, the rider is entitled
to a transfer which -- this is a deal! -- can be used to
board another bus anywhere in any direction for 90 minutes,
and can also be upgraded to one additional transfer. (However,
most residents purchase monthly bus passes which entitle them
to unlimited travel.)
The city of San Francisco wants you to use public transport. It
has arguably the best transit system in the country. Most bus
routes run so often that no one bothers looking up a schedule.

Bluebird school bus, standard Ford or Chevy heavy-duty chassis.

Post by JC
If you do insist on getting around in your car, you can
park for up to 2 hours on weekdays before 6 pm. (It may
or may not be free. Generally, metered parking has a
one-hour cap.) But if you don't mind a little hilly
walking, you can park for free along the periphery of Buena
Vista Park in (or physically above) the Haight for 4 hours
except on Thursday. In most residential neighborhoods, you
can park all day within a few blocks of your residence.
Residents have windshield stickers that designate their
eligibility.
These are things that every San Francisco driver already knows.
I write this just so there'll be some historic memorandum
of life in San Francisco in the early 21st century just in
case George Bush gets us nuked.

He's been nuked enough, he might know.

Stan de SD

2006-09-07 05:31:40 UTC

Post by JC
I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents.

Yeah, and I'm not a Folsom Street attendee. I doubt
if Stan knows South of Market streets from the Castro
district, the latter once known more widely as Eureka
Valley.

I have been around long enough to remember attending punk shows at the Deaf
Club, getting in a near fistfight with Jack Casady and Ginger Coyote the
Mabuhay Gardens, and crashing at Sally and Sue Mutant's old place near the
Transbay Terminal. I also remember green-and-cream Muni cars, Herb Cain,
Stanton Delaplane, Doggie Diners, Flying A gas stations, the 2 little old
twins who dressed identically, eating burgers at little greasy spoon diners
near China Basin while being swarmed with copra beetles back when SF had a
semblance of a real port. I remember street posters for the Jefferson
Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger service, and being in my dad's Dodge Dart
in the Fillmore while my dad tried to chase off the "heads" climbing on the
roof and hood. Sure, I might not know all the new demographic boundaries -
but that's all newbie stuff as far as I'm concerned... :Oo

Stan de SD

2006-09-07 07:25:18 UTC

Post by JC
I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents.

Yeah, and I'm not a Folsom Street attendee. I doubt
if Stan knows South of Market streets from the Castro
district, the latter once known more widely as Eureka
Valley.

Herb CAEN - my typo... :Oo

Post by Stan de SD
Stanton Delaplane, Doggie Diners, Flying A gas stations, the 2 little old
twins who dressed identically, eating burgers at little greasy spoon diners
near China Basin while being swarmed with copra beetles back when SF had a
semblance of a real port. I remember street posters for the Jefferson
Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger service, and being in my dad's Dodge Dart
in the Fillmore while my dad tried to chase off the "heads" climbing on the
roof and hood. Sure, I might not know all the new demographic boundaries -
but that's all newbie stuff as far as I'm concerned... :Oo

Stan de SD

2006-09-07 05:22:33 UTC

<cross-posting snipped>

Post by Stan de SD
Correction: the SF politicos are so indoctrinated with the PC mindset

that

Post by Stan de SD
they pander to the fringe element by sponsoring an event consisting of

male

Post by Stan de SD
homosexuals parading around in leather and soliciting casual sex. :O(

Yet their website features an event with a title and graphics suggesting
anal sex, and a photo of some guy pulling on the pants zipper of another
dude with his teeth. Nothing to do with homosexuals, right?
Nice try. Why do people in SF feel compelled to lie all the time? Is it
their way of dealing with the embarrassment of being the nation's
laughingstock, or what?

I'm straight and could care less what the Folsom Street Fair
represents.

Personally, I don't care much either, and have no inclination to go near the
event. I'm merely pointing out a couple of things that the PC mob can't
accept:

(1) This event doesn't represent any type of "arts" event (i.e. jazz, blues,
latin/ethnic music, folk art, handicrafts) or is it a tribute to any group
culture or heritage (Chinese, Italians, Hispanics, et. al) that would fit
the definition of "arts and culture". It's simply political pandering to a
special interest group constituency.
(2) If gays/lesbians/homosexuals/trannies/crossdressers/whatever want to
have their "Gay/Queer Pride" event, so be it, but at least be honest and up
front about it. To claim it's not about homosexuality, when the official web
site of the event depicts and suggests explicit homosexual activity. That's
simply disingenuous.

Before you start whining and crying about how I'm picking on the poor gays,
I would find it just as inappropriate if it were the "Russian Hills
Festival" and the website made similarly couched suggestions of males being
gentially stimulated by hot women with large breasts. Even though that would
be much closer to my own personal preferences, it's STILL not an appropriate
event to be endorsed/funded by the city and presented in public at the
taxpayer's expense. People with those inclinations can rent private spaces
indoors along the lines of the Exotic Erotic Ball and conduct it as an
adults-only private affair. City sponsorship of such events while at the
same time complaining that there's "not enough funding" for the type of
STD's propagated by the same demographic that patronizes those events,
simply shows a lack of common sense among the powers-that-be in the City of
San Francisco, as well as their misguided supporters. :O|

Bill Z.

2006-09-07 06:30:59 UTC

A quick Google search turned up the official web site
<http://www.folsomstreetfair.com/fair-info.php>, which states, "The
2006 Folsom Street Fair will be showcasing a roster of world-renowned
alternative rock acts along side up-and-coming talent from far and
wide." Whatever you think of rock, it does qualify as music. The web
page mentions exhibits. Maybe someone can post the details, which
should be more accurate than Stanley's imagination.

Post by Stan de SD
(2) If gays/lesbians/homosexuals/trannies/crossdressers/whatever want to
have their <snip>

The event's web page calls it "the world's largest leather event," so
you can throw in straight folks as well. After all, a girl can flog a
guy. I'm not into that sort of thing but I might make an exception if
Stanley wants to be flogged and in his case I'd go for a maximum
workout. :-)

hc23hc

2006-09-08 23:19:06 UTC

At this point in his sheltered closet existence, when the fleet's in
town and the chips are down, brown Stain's just not ready to settle
down with any one man. So his imagination runs wild...

Post by Stan de SD
(2) If gays/lesbians/homosexuals/trannies/crossdressers/whatever want to
have their <snip>

Not to flog a dead horse, but, nice slacks pressed and nowhere to go,
factose-intolerant flagellant Stain de STD the Sunnyvale Sybarite
definitely has it coming.

.
.
.

Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD

2006-09-09 01:27:43 UTC

Not even Dr. Antichrist will look for you there?

Stan de SD

2006-09-09 03:05:37 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Not even Dr. Antichrist will look for you there?

Did thts random collection of words have anything to do with the subject
discussed in this thread?

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-09 03:34:04 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Not even Dr. Antichrist will look for you there?

Did thts random collection of words have anything to do with the subject
discussed in this thread?

Yes, they say, "fucking blow away and post your shit to the other 6
groups you like to spam". You just introduced a post from the middle of
nowhere, about something of which there is no apparent clue and you
expect us to join in like bringing in more fighters in a gang fight.
Yet I'm being called bizarre...

You would have brought this current topic up if you weren't so
obviously trying to deny you are in a closet most likely yourself. IN
or OUT would be fine but just get over it because you annoy straight
and gays alike about the same.

Politics is NOT a GAME...it is a job and fully reviewable to all. The
unassailable truth is neither side is absolutely right and we the
governed have the job to decide that. One party rule is for fascism,
totaliatarianism, dictatorships...we all run a country, and this
one-sided gossip party can stay in Stalin's grave.

You are a pest and gossipmonger and Orwell (not the crypto asshole in
ba.broadcast who hates J. Michael Scott with only one stroke) warned us
about this.

hc23hc

2006-09-09 04:50:59 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Not even Dr. Antichrist will look for you there?

Did thts random collection of words have anything to do with the subject
discussed in this thread?

Yes, they say, "fucking blow away and post your shit to the other 6
groups you like to spam". You just introduced a post from the middle of
nowhere, about something of which there is no apparent clue and you
expect us to join in like bringing in more fighters in a gang fight.
Yet I'm being called bizarre...
You would have brought this current topic up if you weren't so
obviously trying to deny you are in a closet most likely yourself. IN
or OUT would be fine but just get over it because you annoy straight
and gays alike about the same.
Politics is NOT a GAME...it is a job and fully reviewable to all. The
unassailable truth is neither side is absolutely right and we the
governed have the job to decide that. One party rule is for fascism,
totaliatarianism, dictatorships...we all run a country, and this
one-sided gossip party can stay in Stalin's grave.
You are a pest and gossipmonger and Orwell (not the crypto asshole in
ba.broadcast who hates J. Michael Scott with only one stroke) warned us
about this.

Dead right on all counts, barring (possibly) one: Stain de STD's
uncanny ability to alienate just about everyone equally may be the only
residually equitable quality about the lout. If this saving grace, so
to speak, of his were ever taken away, the resultant imbalance could
prove fatal on a global dimension. Goodness knows, Stain's on a
hair-trigger most of the time as it is.

How did Stain get to be this way ? Only the scientists who designed
him know for sure, but some of them clearly had MAD (Mutually Assuredly
Destructive) tendencies when they conceived Stain. In the immediate
post-Vietnam war years when the Pentagon needed new excuses for padding
the porkbarrel, weapons marketing geniuses were wise not to rely solely
on absurd lies about Russian Tank buildups, which everyone and his or
her granny saw through like *that*.

Much more effective, although too gruesome to publicize without risking
widespread rioting and lemming-like mass suicide, was the unspoken
threat of bilateral Stain proliferation. The belligerent Israeli
"defense" department was among those rumored to have Stain all ready to
go long before we were -- although as it turns out, this report had
been deliberately mistranslated by a Republican mole assigned to
discredit Jimmy Carter. In reality, unrefined Stain was released and
expelled by that rogue nation mainly for his failure to settle an
outstanding gay brothel tab...

But what if The Russians or, heaven forbid, The Inscrutable Chinese had
won the race toward Stain Defense Initiative, or SDI, better known as
StainWars ?

Unthinkable. Even small doses of Stain can unleash widespread
destruction, as we now know. As long as governments remain too
cautiously heterosexual or just too fucking busy to use Stain, we may
expect an uneasy peace to prevail. At least for the time being.

Essence of Stain (also known as Eau de Asshole) distilled and bottled
under pressure, amounts to weapons-grade aerosolized explosive
anti-personnel venom which (in some future no-holds-barred warfare
scenario wherein the total destruction of the entire planet were an
option, as it is under W) could be used to destroy not only the enemy,
but all of the enemy's enemies as well.

Plus, of course, the planet itself.

Only problem being, those whose lifelong ambitions go beyond perishing
in such a blast have yet to agree upon a postwar-era means of disarmng
and disposing of all and any De(pleted) STD Stain leftovers currently
festering away in Cold War weapons silos. Can't just fire radioactive
everything at unarmed Iraqi women and children without expecting even
more trouble, after all...

The disposal of sexually thermo-unclear waste like Stain residue is the
Number One crisis topic facing all socially-relevant environmental
groups at this time, both here and around the world.

There is simply no telling what might happen if Stain de STD fell into
the wrong hands.

.
.
.

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-09 06:31:31 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Not even Dr. Antichrist will look for you there?

Did thts random collection of words have anything to do with the subject
discussed in this thread?

Yes, they say, "fucking blow away and post your shit to the other 6
groups you like to spam". You just introduced a post from the middle of
nowhere, about something of which there is no apparent clue and you
expect us to join in like bringing in more fighters in a gang fight.
Yet I'm being called bizarre...
You would have brought this current topic up if you weren't so
obviously trying to deny you are in a closet most likely yourself. IN
or OUT would be fine but just get over it because you annoy straight
and gays alike about the same.
Politics is NOT a GAME...it is a job and fully reviewable to all. The
unassailable truth is neither side is absolutely right and we the
governed have the job to decide that. One party rule is for fascism,
totaliatarianism, dictatorships...we all run a country, and this
one-sided gossip party can stay in Stalin's grave.
You are a pest and gossipmonger and Orwell (not the crypto asshole in
ba.broadcast who hates J. Michael Scott with only one stroke) warned us
about this.

Dead right on all counts, barring (possibly) one: Stain de STD's
uncanny ability to alienate just about everyone equally may be the only
residually equitable quality about the lout. If this saving grace, so
to speak, of his were ever taken away, the resultant imbalance could
prove fatal on a global dimension. Goodness knows, Stain's on a
hair-trigger most of the time as it is.
How did Stain get to be this way ? Only the scientists who designed
him know for sure, but some of them clearly had MAD (Mutually Assuredly
Destructive) tendencies when they conceived Stain. In the immediate
post-Vietnam war years when the Pentagon needed new excuses for padding
the porkbarrel, weapons marketing geniuses were wise not to rely solely
on absurd lies about Russian Tank buildups, which everyone and his or
her granny saw through like *that*.
Much more effective, although too gruesome to publicize without risking
widespread rioting and lemming-like mass suicide, was the unspoken
threat of bilateral Stain proliferation. The belligerent Israeli
"defense" department was among those rumored to have Stain all ready to
go long before we were -- although as it turns out, this report had
been deliberately mistranslated by a Republican mole assigned to
discredit Jimmy Carter. In reality, unrefined Stain was released and
expelled by that rogue nation mainly for his failure to settle an
outstanding gay brothel tab...
But what if The Russians or, heaven forbid, The Inscrutable Chinese had
won the race toward Stain Defense Initiative, or SDI, better known as
StainWars ?
Unthinkable. Even small doses of Stain can unleash widespread
destruction, as we now know. As long as governments remain too
cautiously heterosexual or just too fucking busy to use Stain, we may
expect an uneasy peace to prevail. At least for the time being.
Essence of Stain (also known as Eau de Asshole) distilled and bottled
under pressure, amounts to weapons-grade aerosolized explosive
anti-personnel venom which (in some future no-holds-barred warfare
scenario wherein the total destruction of the entire planet were an
option, as it is under W) could be used to destroy not only the enemy,
but all of the enemy's enemies as well.
Plus, of course, the planet itself.
Only problem being, those whose lifelong ambitions go beyond perishing
in such a blast have yet to agree upon a postwar-era means of disarmng
and disposing of all and any De(pleted) STD Stain leftovers currently
festering away in Cold War weapons silos. Can't just fire radioactive
everything at unarmed Iraqi women and children without expecting even
more trouble, after all...
The disposal of sexually thermo-unclear waste like Stain residue is the
Number One crisis topic facing all socially-relevant environmental
groups at this time, both here and around the world.
There is simply no telling what might happen if Stain de STD fell into
the wrong hands.

They told ME my creative writing was bad...

hc23hc

2006-09-09 16:59:54 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist PHD
Not even Dr. Antichrist will look for you there?

Did thts random collection of words have anything to do with the subject
discussed in this thread?

Yes, they say, "fucking blow away and post your shit to the other 6
groups you like to spam". You just introduced a post from the middle of
nowhere, about something of which there is no apparent clue and you
expect us to join in like bringing in more fighters in a gang fight.
Yet I'm being called bizarre...
You would have brought this current topic up if you weren't so
obviously trying to deny you are in a closet most likely yourself. IN
or OUT would be fine but just get over it because you annoy straight
and gays alike about the same.
Politics is NOT a GAME...it is a job and fully reviewable to all. The
unassailable truth is neither side is absolutely right and we the
governed have the job to decide that. One party rule is for fascism,
totaliatarianism, dictatorships...we all run a country, and this
one-sided gossip party can stay in Stalin's grave.
You are a pest and gossipmonger and Orwell (not the crypto asshole in
ba.broadcast who hates J. Michael Scott with only one stroke) warned us
about this.

Dead right on all counts, barring (possibly) one: Stain de STD's
uncanny ability to alienate just about everyone equally may be the only
residually equitable quality about the lout. If this saving grace, so
to speak, of his were ever taken away, the resultant imbalance could
prove fatal on a global dimension. Goodness knows, Stain's on a
hair-trigger most of the time as it is.
How did Stain get to be this way ? Only the scientists who designed
him know for sure, but some of them clearly had MAD (Mutually Assuredly
Destructive) tendencies when they conceived Stain. In the immediate
post-Vietnam war years when the Pentagon needed new excuses for padding
the porkbarrel, weapons marketing geniuses were wise not to rely solely
on absurd lies about Russian Tank buildups, which everyone and his or
her granny saw through like *that*.
Much more effective, although too gruesome to publicize without risking
widespread rioting and lemming-like mass suicide, was the unspoken
threat of bilateral Stain proliferation. The belligerent Israeli
"defense" department was among those rumored to have Stain all ready to
go long before we were -- although as it turns out, this report had
been deliberately mistranslated by a Republican mole assigned to
discredit Jimmy Carter. In reality, unrefined Stain was released and
expelled by that rogue nation mainly for his failure to settle an
outstanding gay brothel tab...
But what if The Russians or, heaven forbid, The Inscrutable Chinese had
won the race toward Stain Defense Initiative, or SDI, better known as
StainWars ?
Unthinkable. Even small doses of Stain can unleash widespread
destruction, as we now know. As long as governments remain too
cautiously heterosexual or just too fucking busy to use Stain, we may
expect an uneasy peace to prevail. At least for the time being.
Essence of Stain (also known as Eau de Asshole) distilled and bottled
under pressure, amounts to weapons-grade aerosolized explosive
anti-personnel venom which (in some future no-holds-barred warfare
scenario wherein the total destruction of the entire planet were an
option, as it is under W) could be used to destroy not only the enemy,
but all of the enemy's enemies as well.
Plus, of course, the planet itself.
Only problem being, those whose lifelong ambitions go beyond perishing
in such a blast have yet to agree upon a postwar-era means of disarmng
and disposing of all and any De(pleted) STD Stain leftovers currently
festering away in Cold War weapons silos. Can't just fire radioactive
everything at unarmed Iraqi women and children without expecting even
more trouble, after all...
The disposal of sexually thermo-unclear waste like Stain residue is the
Number One crisis topic facing all socially-relevant environmental
groups at this time, both here and around the world.
There is simply no telling what might happen if Stain de STD fell into
the wrong hands.

They told ME my creative writing was bad...

Of course: but it's usually the Stain talking. Think of it as their
brain on Stain.

Chin up, Good Doctor Antichrist. Even if you suspect Stain couldn't
conceivably be wrong all the time, he is. Never let the bastard get
you down.

.
.
.

Stan de SD

2006-09-09 21:08:57 UTC

Post by Stan de SD
(1) This event doesn't represent any type of "arts" event (i.e. jazz, blues,
latin/ethnic music, folk art, handicrafts) or is it a tribute to any group
culture or heritage (Chinese, Italians, Hispanics, et. al) that would fit
the definition of "arts and culture". It's simply political pandering to a
special interest group constituency.
(2) If gays/lesbians/homosexuals/trannies/crossdressers/whatever want to
have their "Gay/Queer Pride" event, so be it, but at least be honest and up
front about it. To claim it's not about homosexuality, when the official web
site of the event depicts and suggests explicit homosexual activity. That's
simply disingenuous.
Before you start whining and crying about how I'm picking on the poor gays,
I would find it just as inappropriate if it were the "Russian Hills
Festival" and the website made similarly couched suggestions of males being
gentially stimulated by hot women with large breasts. Even though that would
be much closer to my own personal preferences, it's STILL not an appropriate
event to be endorsed/funded by the city and presented in public at the
taxpayer's expense. People with those inclinations can rent private spaces
indoors along the lines of the Exotic Erotic Ball and conduct it as an
adults-only private affair. City sponsorship of such events while at the
same time complaining that there's "not enough funding" for the type of
STD's propagated by the same demographic that patronizes those events,
simply shows a lack of common sense among the powers-that-be in the City of
San Francisco, as well as their misguided supporters. :O|

And I see that Auntie Steven the Self-Appointed Usenet Nanny couldn't
address the particulars of the argument. Instead, he went into
self-righteous politically correct full froth mode instead, typical of
people who have isolated themselves from reality such as the majority of
Lefty Liberals in the Bay Area. Stevie simply hasn't been exposed to any
other points of view others than those that have been foisted on him by his
PC peers. Therefore, he has no skills to actually debate or discuss and
issue, so he runs in panic, screaming hysterically in the hopes he can scare
away the Evil Bogeyman. But his yelling and flailing of limbs won't make it
go away...

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-10 00:04:49 UTC

That's nice, Stanley now go play with the others...and don't scare them
again.

I wish you could realize how stupid you seem and how utterly unaffected
I am by all your jabbering.

Have a nice day, Stan.

Stan de SD

2006-09-10 19:20:48 UTC

Post by Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD
That's nice, Stanley now go play with the others...and don't scare them
again.
I wish you could realize how stupid you seem and how utterly unaffected
I am by all your jabbering.

You're the one who spoutet semi-coherent babblings, due to your inability to
address the issue. I outlined specific reasons to support my argument and
all you did was try to cghange the subject. Typical liberal. :O(

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-10 19:31:37 UTC

I'm a moderate antichrist registered Democrat since 18 and fed up that
I can't find leadership in my own party because they are playing
"Commando!" with the Republicans (do you remember that TV show)?

You are apparently so upset you are incapable of typing well. There
goes the secretarial career.

I think they are ALL a bunch of MOFO retards but I have to be a
responsible American and vote, because not voting is or should be a
crime.

They used the word 'malaise' quite a bit during the Carter
administration, and even though the hurricane blew out a year ago, it
seems to have left one behind for us again. Maybe that will give those
who wonder blindly why everyone seems kooky some thought.

Dr. Steven Antichrist, PHD

2006-09-10 19:49:52 UTC

Why are these words still used at all?

I see both as self-absorbed aggressive creeps and the aforementioned
terms become useless to me. I've always tried to vote for the PERSON
that I thought could serve my needs and my region's, leading to the
"big picture" later. These people have party affiliations, but I have
to ignore that just like the way I buy a car, and it could be Ford now,
Pontiac the next time. My opinion is that parties seem to be little
more than a way to artificially divide things to make elections easier
somehow.

Moderate bugs me but I have to use it. I'm a voter and citizen of
Oregon and the United States of America. The rest is hogwash.

Stan de SD

2006-09-11 16:31:44 UTC