Tax rebates are bribery and stolen property...

[dank]

America has turned into Mexico. Right at election time the ruling
party announces that it intends to distribute free money and the
only political opposition to the idea is that the proposed amount
isn't enough.

This is so corrupt. America is already ten trillion dollars in
debt and the ruling party intends to borrow another trillion to
bribe voters to rig the election in its favor. In this case the
ruling party is actually Republican/Democrat oligarchy, and the
bribe is intended to persuade us to vote for one of the two
parties that are giving money away, as opposed to one of the
politically powerless minor parties that not only don't have
free money to give away but also support impeachment.

Finally, if you cash your "rebate" you are guilty of accepting
stolen property. The money is not really free, it has been
borrowed from future tax revenues and your descendents are not
going to benefit from the $500 you spent on crack today. If we
had a balanced budget and the majority wanted to pay taxes to
receive tax rebates then that would be weird but okay, but since
the tax rebates come from borrowed money it is theft. And this
is exactly what kind of theft occurs in the Mexican political
system, and the reason that country sucks so bad and why no one
wants to live there.

[James Beck]

In article <b29a7ba3-23d1-437e-aa8f-
***@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, ***@eudoramail.com
says...

The most appropriate expression of your belief,
presuming, of course, that you are an economi-
cally active, self-supporting individual, would be
to send your rebate check back. You can even
urge others to do the same. What do you think
of that?

That's pretty much what I have to do.
As a business owner, my quarterly tax payments far exceed any "rebate"
that I may receive. It make more sense for me to send it back with the
rest of my tax payment come April. So, it is just a little boomerang
money for me. I get to have a little mini April 15th every 90 days, oh
joy.

Jim

[James Beck]

In article <afccec5e-841a-4517-b334-
***@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, ***@eudoramail.com
says...

Post by James Beck
In article <b29a7ba3-23d1-437e-aa8f-
says...

The most appropriate expression of your belief,
presuming, of course, that you are an economi-
cally active, self-supporting individual, would be
to send your rebate check back. You can even
urge others to do the same. What do you think
of that?

That's pretty much what I have to do.
As a business owner, my quarterly tax payments far exceed any "rebate"
that I may receive.  It make more sense for me to send it back with the
rest of my tax payment come April.  So, it is just a little boomerang
money for me.  I get to have a little mini April 15th every 90 days, oh
joy.

I would be careful about how I'd do that, if that's what you
intend to do with your rebate. I would not assume they
would accept the check as part of your quarterly tax payment ;-)

Afraid it will bounce?
LOL

[dank]

kujebak wrote...

The most appropriate expression of your belief,
presuming, of course, that you are an economi-
cally active, self-supporting individual, would be
to send your rebate check back. You can even
urge others to do the same. What do you think
of that?

I intend to do so. Actually, I would prefer to destroy it in
some sort of public display, preferably by burning it. The
only decision left is whether to burn the check or to cash it
and burn the paper banknotes, and whether to wrap it all up
in an American flag.

BTW, look at today's gasoline prices. The price of gas and just
about everything else in America suddenly inflated as soon as
the government announced it will be adding another trillion
dollars to circulation. The bonus money isn't really a bonus at
all, and you actually are forced to use the stolen money just so
your purchasing power doesn't decline.

Research Mexico's economic crisis in the 1980s. Very similar,
with tough economic times (caused by corruption) causing the
corrupt government to give out various rebates, credits, and
other subsidies to financially-struggling Mexican families and
hyperinflation caused the peso to devalue to worthlessness.
The only Mexicans helped by the scheme were high-ranking members
of the ruling party whose hard-currency accounts in Switzerland
were unaffected by the peso devaluation. The subsidies were
very popular, though, helping the ruling party to win re-election
with 101% of the vote in the midst of an economic catastrophe.

[kujebak]

Post by dank
kujebak wrote...

The most appropriate expression of your belief,
presuming, of course, that you are an economi-
cally active, self-supporting individual, would be
to send your rebate check back. You can even
urge others to do the same. What do you think
of that?

I intend to do so.  Actually, I would prefer to destroy it in
some sort of public display, preferably by burning it.  The
only decision left is whether to burn the check or to cash it
and burn the paper banknotes, and whether to wrap it all up
in an American flag.
BTW, look at today's gasoline prices.  The price of gas and just
about everything else in America suddenly inflated as soon as
the government announced it will be adding another trillion
dollars to circulation.  The bonus money isn't really a bonus at
all, and you actually are forced to use the stolen money just so
your purchasing power doesn't decline.
Research Mexico's economic crisis in the 1980s.  Very similar,
with tough economic times (caused by corruption) causing the
corrupt government to give out various rebates, credits, and
other subsidies to financially-struggling Mexican families and
hyperinflation caused the peso to devalue to worthlessness.
The only Mexicans helped by the scheme were high-ranking members
of the ruling party whose hard-currency accounts in Switzerland
were unaffected by the peso devaluation.  The subsidies were
very popular, though, helping the ruling party to win re-election
with 101% of the vote in the midst of an economic catastrophe.

Could you explain how government borrowing
increases money in circulation?

[Cantor]

America has turned into Mexico.  Right at election time the ruling
party announces that it intends to distribute free money and the
only political opposition to the idea is that the proposed amount
isn't enough.
This is so corrupt.  America is already ten trillion dollars in
debt and the ruling party intends to borrow another trillion to
bribe voters to rig the election in its favor.  In this case the
ruling party is actually Republican/Democrat oligarchy, and the
bribe is intended to persuade us to vote for one of the two
parties that are giving money away, as opposed to one of the
politically powerless minor parties that not only don't have
free money to give away but also support impeachment.
Finally, if you cash your "rebate" you are guilty of accepting
stolen property.  The money is not really free, it has been
borrowed from future tax revenues and your descendents are not
going to benefit from the $500 you spent on crack today.  If we
had a balanced budget and the majority wanted to pay taxes to
receive tax rebates then that would be weird but okay, but since
the tax rebates come from borrowed money it is theft.  And this
is exactly what kind of theft occurs in the Mexican political
system, and the reason that country sucks so bad and why no one
wants to live there.

The most appropriate expression of your belief,
presuming, of course, that you are an economi-
cally active, self-supporting individual, would be
to send your rebate check back. You can even
urge others to do the same. What do you think
of that?

What I used to say to the poor people back when that happened was.
"Take the money but don't vote for them. Only if you think you owe
them will they have power."

There was very similar cynicism about the political situation in
Mexico. I would say more than 80% thought that after 60+ years on
power, the PRI was never going to give up their power. But we changed
that with our votes, and the PRI is not in power anymore (juhuu!!). We
are far from done, but we took a very dificult step in the right
direction.

It is extremely ironic that the US is faced with a similar situation
today. Event when american society has the last word, many americans
have somehow allowed politicians to convince them that significant
change cannot happen. And that is a shame.