Discussion:
Life isn't all that bad for California's state employees
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kujebak
2009-02-07 01:34:42 UTC
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"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."

http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu

Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
v***@gmail.com
2009-02-09 22:00:52 UTC
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Post by kujebak
"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
kujebak
2009-02-10 00:30:23 UTC
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Post by kujebak
"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
I'm not sure why you bring that up.
I can't hink of anything funny about that :-(
Beside the notion of fire-fighting imams :-)
v***@gmail.com
2009-02-10 02:12:22 UTC
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Post by kujebak
"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
I'm not sure why you bring that up.
I can't hink of anything funny about that :-(
Beside the notion of fire-fighting imams :-)
I am not sure myself why
may be just to point out the the whole world is
turning wrong way
Excuse me - it is just one of my philosophing days
today....
Karel Kriz
2009-02-10 19:32:18 UTC
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"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets‹a $49 savings‹on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
Squaw is hurting. It's nowhere near as popular as it once was, largely
due to some misguided pricing policies over the recent years. Boreal is
a vertical market area. Very few serious skiers go there as it is aging
badly and is small.

K
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http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
I'm not sure why you bring that up.
I can't hink of anything funny about that :-(
Beside the notion of fire-fighting imams :-)
Stan R
2009-02-10 05:56:05 UTC
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Post by kujebak
"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Frank Bures
2009-02-10 15:29:58 UTC
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Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that? I mean on those Greens...

Thanks
Frank
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Stan R
2009-02-11 04:57:25 UTC
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Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that?  I mean on those Greens...
It's like this, Frank:

The Greens have for many years been totally opposed to burning off of
old growth. They believe it kills animals and destroys the "pristine"
forests - despite the fact that fires are a natural part of the
environment here in Australia and we even have plant species (like
some eucalyptus trees) which actually need fire to seed.

Therefore, with no controlled burning, when fires do eventually occur
(be it through arson, as is suspected in Victoria, or through natural
causes like lightning strikes), they tend to burn much hotter as there
is a lot more fuel available.

There were major fires in Western Australia last year and many
forestry experts have put it down to precisely those causes. In New
South Wales a few years ago, several houses burned down as well and
Canberra in particular was at one stage close to losing an entire
suburb.

We now have had the utterly mind-boggling scenario here (in Victoria,
that is - here in the North we have wide-spread flooding instead!)
where one house out the entire village survived the fires. And the
reason? -- the owner is apparently fighting a council fine for
"unauthorized tree clearing on his property"!

So here doing the prudent thing constitutes "unauthorized
clearing"...! Obviously he should have just done as told by the
greenie-leaning bureaucrats and lost his house like all his
neighbours!

I do actually believe that similar fire-exacerbating problems caused
by stupid green policies have been observed in California.

Cheers.

S
Stan de SD
2009-02-12 03:36:52 UTC
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Post by Stan R
Post by Frank Bures
Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that? I mean on those Greens...
The Greens have for many years been totally opposed to burning off of
old growth. They believe it kills animals and destroys the "pristine"
forests - despite the fact that fires are a natural part of the
environment here in Australia and we even have plant species (like
some eucalyptus trees) which actually need fire to seed.
Therefore, with no controlled burning, when fires do eventually occur
(be it through arson, as is suspected in Victoria, or through natural
causes like lightning strikes), they tend to burn much hotter as there
is a lot more fuel available.
There were major fires in Western Australia last year and many
forestry experts have put it down to precisely those causes. In New
South Wales a few years ago, several houses burned down as well and
Canberra in particular was at one stage close to losing an entire
suburb.
We now have had the utterly mind-boggling scenario here (in Victoria,
that is - here in the North we have wide-spread flooding instead!)
where one house out the entire village survived the fires. And the
reason? -- the owner is apparently fighting a council fine for
"unauthorized tree clearing on his property"!
So here doing the prudent thing constitutes "unauthorized
clearing"...! Obviously he should have just done as told by the
greenie-leaning bureaucrats and lost his house like all his
neighbours!
I do actually believe that similar fire-exacerbating problems caused
by stupid green policies have been observed in California.
Pretty close. In addition to drought in our forests, we have been
suffering a bark beetle infestation that leaves dead and dying trees
(primarily evergreens like pines and Douglas Fir, the ones that go up
like petrol when they get torched) standing in large groves. In the
past, local contractors were hired to thin out the forests before the
winter, allowing the locals to make good use of the wood, put a few
bucks into their effort, and reduce the fire hazard for the following
year. Nowadays, any time the state or feds try to do something about
it, a bunch of "environmental activists" lawyers (solicitors) file
suit and bring injunctions to stop the clearing. After they win their
injunctions, they proceed to bill the courts so they can be awarded
their fees, typpically USD $200-300 per hour. This is such a corrupt
racket that even the personal injury lawyers (we call them "ambulance
chasers") view the environmental lawyers as low-lifes.

Unfortunately, California is filled with young, emotional, miseducated
and easily manipulated people who believe that these lawyers are "eco-
heroes" saving the forests from evil loggers, businesmen, et. al. Just
one of the many reasons our state, once the greatest place to live in
the US, is turning into a cesspool.... :O|
Frank Bures
2009-02-12 12:52:06 UTC
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Post by Stan R
Post by Frank Bures
Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that? I mean on those Greens...
The Greens have for many years been totally opposed to burning off of
old growth. They believe it kills animals and destroys the "pristine"
forests - despite the fact that fires are a natural part of the
environment here in Australia and we even have plant species (like
some eucalyptus trees) which actually need fire to seed.
AFAIK, it is still done in Canada. Controlled burning is an integral part
of forest management.

How about a class-action suit against government (or Greens) for deprived
indifference causing death?

Thanks for the explanation. It is shocking. I did not expect anything
less :-(

Cheers
Frank
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kujebak
2009-02-12 23:36:49 UTC
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Post by Stan R
Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that?  I mean on those Greens...
The Greens have for many years been totally opposed to burning off of
old growth. They believe it kills animals and destroys the "pristine"
forests - despite the fact that fires are a natural part of the
environment here in Australia and we even have plant species (like
some eucalyptus trees) which actually need fire to seed.
AFAIK, it is still done in Canada.  Controlled burning is an integral part
of forest management.
How about a class-action suit against government (or Greens) for deprived
indifference causing death?
Thanks for the explanation.  It is shocking.  I did not expect anything
less :-(
Cheers
Frank
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Here is an article that speaks to that very point:

http://tinyurl.com/bvrnm2
Stan R
2009-02-14 03:09:08 UTC
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Post by kujebak
Post by Stan R
Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that?  I mean on those Greens...
The Greens have for many years been totally opposed to burning off of
old growth. They believe it kills animals and destroys the "pristine"
forests - despite the fact that fires are a natural part of the
environment here in Australia and we even have plant species (like
some eucalyptus trees) which actually need fire to seed.
AFAIK, it is still done in Canada.  Controlled burning is an integral part
of forest management.
How about a class-action suit against government (or Greens) for deprived
indifference causing death?
Thanks for the explanation.  It is shocking.  I did not expect anything
less :-(
Cheers
Frank
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http://tinyurl.com/bvrnm2
That's the one...!

Now the Victorian (Labor) government is talking about setting up a
royal commission into the fires. Thus it will come down to more
talking and posturing, with nothing real being done (both State and
Federal Labor rely heavily on the Greens electoral preferences to stay
in government) and a few years down the track the same thing will
happen.

It is a disgrace and meanwhile the Greens leader, Bob Brown, has been
lecturing the country to "come to terms with such ferocious fires"
because they are "caused by climate change" and will only get worse -
unless, presumably, we all move to caves like the Greens would like us
to (the likes of himself exempted, of course!)
Stan R
2009-02-14 03:24:01 UTC
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Post by Stan R
Post by Stan R
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Could you please elaborate on that?  I mean on those Greens...
The Greens have for many years been totally opposed to burning off of
old growth. They believe it kills animals and destroys the "pristine"
forests - despite the fact that fires are a natural part of the
environment here in Australia and we even have plant species (like
some eucalyptus trees) which actually need fire to seed.
AFAIK, it is still done in Canada.  Controlled burning is an integral part
of forest management.
How about a class-action suit against government (or Greens) for deprived
indifference causing death?
It is not possible to sue the government here - they are under
parliamentary privilege.

And it would be hard to sue the Greens; you'd likely get nothing out
of most of them, plus too many people in the general population have
been sufficiently brainwashed by the media to believe in the global
warming scam and many other Green myths.
Thanks for the explanation.  It is shocking.  I did not expect anything
less :-(
That's the world we live in. No wonder Osama bin Laden thinks the West
is way past its use-by date.

v***@gmail.com
2009-02-11 03:07:26 UTC
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Post by kujebak
"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Dneska jsem se docetl ze je vlastne na vine globalni oteplovani
Clovek zasne nad lidskou blbosti...
Ja mam zase dojem ze se talibani roztahuji taky do Ausie
Stan R
2009-02-11 05:01:03 UTC
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Post by Stan R
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Post by kujebak
"Squaw Valley ski resort at Lake Tahoe was offering $30
lift tickets—a $49 savings—on furlough days to state em-
ployees who show a valid state identification card or recent
pay stub. Boreal ski resort also has a promotion in which
state employees can ski or snowboard every Friday for the
rest of the season for $20."
http://tinyurl.com/bahgxu
Wheww!! It could be a lot worse. The gubernator could have
picked Wednesdays :-)
Ausis are much worst now - 130 burned alive....
Try 200 and thank the Greens for at least some of that.
Dneska jsem se docetl ze je vlastne na vine globalni oteplovani
Clovek zasne nad lidskou blbosti...
Ja mam zase dojem ze se talibani roztahuji taky do Ausie
No samozrejme - v Anglii sice spousta lidi zmrzla, protoze maji
nejstudenejsi zimu za nejakych 35 let, ale to se lehce prece vysvetli
- neni to uz global warming ale climate change! Zima nebo teplo, we
are doooooomed, man...doooomed I tell ya...!

Well luckily our wonderfully popular Labor government is taking care
of the problem and will be introducing an emission trading system next
year. Once we have unemployment at 15%, all sit in the dark due to
lack of viable power infrastructure and all the productive industries
will have moved to China, climate change will have been successfully
solved!
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