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The ObamaNation Condones Brown-Shirt Voter Intimidation
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MioMyo
2009-05-30 12:07:11 UTC
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Oh that's right, they wore black shirts and carried big sticks. One has to
wonder how many centuries these guys would have served if they were white
and outside of a precinct in Alabama!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1

Justice Department political appointees overruled career lawyers and ended a
civil complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party for
Self-Defense of wielding a nightstick and intimidating voters at a
Philadelphia polling place last Election Day, according to documents and
interviews.

The incident - which gained national attention when it was captured on
videotape and distributed on YouTube - had prompted the government to sue
the men, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring would-be
voters with the weapon, racial slurs and military-style uniforms.

Career lawyers pursued the case for months, including obtaining an affidavit
from a prominent 1960s civil rights activist who witnessed the confrontation
and described it as "the most blatant form of voter intimidation" that he
had seen, even during the voting rights crisis in Mississippi a half-century
ago.

The lawyers also had ascertained that one of the three men had gained access
to the polling place by securing a credential as a Democratic poll watcher,
according to interviews and documents reviewed by The Washington Times.

The career Justice lawyers were on the verge of securing sanctions against
the men earlier this month when their superiors ordered them to reverse
course, according to interviews and documents. The court had already entered
a default judgment against the men on April 20.

Department political appointees overruled career lawyers and ended a civil
complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party for
Self-Defense of wielding a nightstick and intimidating voters at a
Philadelphia polling place last Election Day, according to documents and
interviews.

The incident - which gained national attention when it was captured on
videotape and distributed on YouTube - had prompted the government to sue
the men, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring would-be
voters with the weapon, racial slurs and military-style uniforms.

Career lawyers pursued the case for months, including obtaining an affidavit
from a prominent 1960s civil rights activist who witnessed the confrontation
and described it as "the most blatant form of voter intimidation" that he
had seen, even during the voting rights crisis in Mississippi a half-century
ago.

The lawyers also had ascertained that one of the three men had gained access
to the polling place by securing a credential as a Democratic poll watcher,
according to interviews and documents reviewed by The Washington Times.

The career Justice lawyers were on the verge of securing sanctions against
the men earlier this month when their superiors ordered them to reverse
course, according to interviews and documents. The court had already entered
a default judgment against the men on April 20.

A Justice Department spokesman on Thursday confirmed that the agency had
dropped the case, dismissing two of the men from the lawsuit with no penalty
and winning an order against the third man that simply prohibits him from
bringing a weapon to a polling place in future elections.

The department was "successful in obtaining an injunction that prohibits the
defendant who brandished a weapon outside a Philadelphia polling place from
doing so again," spokesman Alejandro Miyar said. "Claims were dismissed
against the other defendants based on a careful assessment of the facts and
the law."

Mr. Miyar declined to elaborate about any internal dispute between career
and political officials, saying only that the department is "committed to
the vigorous prosecution of those who intimidate, threaten or coerce anyone
exercising his or her sacred right to vote."

Court records reviewed by The Times show that career Justice lawyers were
seeking a default judgment and penalties against the three men as recently
as May 5, before abruptly ending their pursuit 10 days later.

People directly familiar with the case, who spoke only on the condition of
anonymity because of fear of retribution, said career lawyers in two
separate Justice offices had recommended proceeding to default judgment
before political superiors overruled them.

Tensions between career lawyers and political appointees inside the Justice
Department have been a sensitive matter since allegations surfaced during
the Bush administration that higher-ups had ignored or reversed staff
lawyers and that some U.S. attorneys had been removed or selected for
political reasons.

During his January confirmation hearings, Attorney General Eric H. Holder
Jr. said that during his lengthy Justice Department tenure, the career
lawyers were "my teachers, my colleagues and my friends" and described them
as the "backbone" of the department.

"If I am confirmed as attorney general, I will listen to them, respect them
and make them proud of the vital goals we will pursue together," he said.

Justice officials declined to say whether Mr. Holder or other senior Justice
officials became involved in the case, saying they don't discuss internal
deliberations.

The civil suit filed Jan. 7 identified the three men as members of the
Panthers and said they wore military-style uniforms, black berets, combat
boots, battle-dress pants, black jackets with military-style insignias and
were armed with "a dangerous weapon"and used racial slurs and insults to
scare would-be voters and those there to assist them at the Philadelphia
polling location on Nov. 4.

The complaint said the three men engaged in "coercion, threats and
intimidation, ... racial threats and insults, ... menacing and intimidating
gestures, ... and movements directed at individuals who were present to
vote." It said that unless prohibited by court sanctions, they would
"continued to violate ... the Voting Rights Act by continuing to direct
intimidation, threats and coercion at voters and potential voters, by again
deploying uniformed and armed members at the entrance to polling locations
in future elections, both in Philadelphia and throughout the country."

To support its evidence, the government had secured an affidavit from Bartle
Bull, a longtime civil rights activist and former aide to Sen. Robert F.
Kennedy's 1968 presidential campaign. Mr. Bull said in a sworn statement
dated April 7 that he was serving in November as a credentialed poll watcher
in Philadelphia when he saw the three uniformed Panthers confront and
intimidate voters with a nightstick.

Inexplicably, the government did not enter the affidavit in the court case,
according to the files.

"In my opinion, the men created an intimidating presence at the entrance to
a poll," he declared. "In all my experience in politics, in civil rights
litigation and in my efforts in the 1960s to secure the right to vote in
Mississippi ... I have never encountered or heard of another instance in the
United States where armed and uniformed men blocked the entrance to a
polling location."

Mr. Bull said the "clear purpose" of what the Panthers were doing was to
"intimidate voters with whom they did not agree." He also said he overheard
one of the men tell a white poll watcher: "You are about to be ruled by the
black man, cracker."

He called their conduct an "outrageous affront to American democracy and the
rights of voters to participate in an election without fear." He said it was
a "racially motivated effort to limit both poll watchers aiding voters, as
well as voters with whom the men did not agree."

The three men named in the complaint - New Black Panther Chairman Malik Zulu
Shabazz, Minister King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson - refused to appear
in court to answer the accusations over a near-five month period, court
records said.

Justice Department Voting Rights Section Attorney J. Christian Adams
complained in one court filing about the defendants' failure to appear or to
file any pleadings in the case, arguing that Mr. Jackson was "not an infant,
nor is he an incompetent person as he appears capable of managing his own
affairs, nor is he in the military service of the United States."

Court records show that as late as May 5, the Justice Department was still
considering an order by U.S. District Judge Stewart Dalzell in Philadelphia
to seek judgments, or sanctions, against the three Panthers because of their
failure to appear.

But 10 days later, the department reversed itself and filed a notice of
voluntary dismissal from the complaint for Malik Zulu Shabazz and Mr.
Jackson.

That same day, the department asked for the default judgment against King
Samir Shabazz, but limited the penalty to an order that he not display a
"weapon within 100 feet of any open polling location on any election day in
the city of Philadelphia" until Nov. 15, 2012.

Malik Zulu Shabazz is a Washington, D.C., resident.

Mr. Jackson was an elected member of Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic
Committee, and was credentialed to be at the polling place last Nov. 4 as an
official Democratic Party polling observer, according to the Philadelphia
City Commissioner's Office.

Efforts to reach the Panthers were unsuccessful. A telephone number listed
on the New Black Panthers Web site had been disconnected.

The complaint said that the three men were deployed at the entrance to a
Philadelphia polling location wearing the uniform of the New Black Panther
Party and that King Samir Shabazz repeatedly brandished a police-style
nightstick with a contoured grip and wrist lanyard.

According to the complaint, Malik Zulu Shabazz, a Howard University Law
School graduate, said the placement of King Samir Shabazz and Mr. Jackson in
Philadelphia was part of a nationwide effort to deploy New Black Panther
Party members at polling locations on Election Day.

The New Black Panther Party reportedly has 27 chapters operating across the
United States, Britain, the Caribbean and Africa. Its Web page said it has
become "a great witness to the validity of the works of the original Black
Panther Party," which was founded in 1966 in Oakland, Calif.
Frank Pittel
2009-05-30 17:33:29 UTC
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In alt.politics.usa.republican MioMyo <***@somewhere.com> wrote:
: Oh that's right, they wore black shirts and carried big sticks. One has to
: wonder how many centuries these guys would have served if they were white
: and outside of a precinct in Alabama!

: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1

: Justice Department political appointees overruled career lawyers and ended a
: civil complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party for
: Self-Defense of wielding a nightstick and intimidating voters at a
: Philadelphia polling place last Election Day, according to documents and
: interviews.

: The incident - which gained national attention when it was captured on
: videotape and distributed on YouTube - had prompted the government to sue
: the men, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring would-be
: voters with the weapon, racial slurs and military-style uniforms.

: Career lawyers pursued the case for months, including obtaining an affidavit
: from a prominent 1960s civil rights activist who witnessed the confrontation
: and described it as "the most blatant form of voter intimidation" that he
: had seen, even during the voting rights crisis in Mississippi a half-century
: ago.

: The lawyers also had ascertained that one of the three men had gained access
: to the polling place by securing a credential as a Democratic poll watcher,
: according to interviews and documents reviewed by The Washington Times.

: The career Justice lawyers were on the verge of securing sanctions against
: the men earlier this month when their superiors ordered them to reverse
: course, according to interviews and documents. The court had already entered
: a default judgment against the men on April 20.

: Department political appointees overruled career lawyers and ended a civil
: complaint accusing three members of the New Black Panther Party for
: Self-Defense of wielding a nightstick and intimidating voters at a
: Philadelphia polling place last Election Day, according to documents and
: interviews.

: The incident - which gained national attention when it was captured on
: videotape and distributed on YouTube - had prompted the government to sue
: the men, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring would-be
: voters with the weapon, racial slurs and military-style uniforms.

: Career lawyers pursued the case for months, including obtaining an affidavit
: from a prominent 1960s civil rights activist who witnessed the confrontation
: and described it as "the most blatant form of voter intimidation" that he
: had seen, even during the voting rights crisis in Mississippi a half-century
: ago.

: The lawyers also had ascertained that one of the three men had gained access
: to the polling place by securing a credential as a Democratic poll watcher,
: according to interviews and documents reviewed by The Washington Times.

: The career Justice lawyers were on the verge of securing sanctions against
: the men earlier this month when their superiors ordered them to reverse
: course, according to interviews and documents. The court had already entered
: a default judgment against the men on April 20.

: A Justice Department spokesman on Thursday confirmed that the agency had
: dropped the case, dismissing two of the men from the lawsuit with no penalty
: and winning an order against the third man that simply prohibits him from
: bringing a weapon to a polling place in future elections.

: The department was "successful in obtaining an injunction that prohibits the
: defendant who brandished a weapon outside a Philadelphia polling place from
: doing so again," spokesman Alejandro Miyar said. "Claims were dismissed
: against the other defendants based on a careful assessment of the facts and
: the law."

: Mr. Miyar declined to elaborate about any internal dispute between career
: and political officials, saying only that the department is "committed to
: the vigorous prosecution of those who intimidate, threaten or coerce anyone
: exercising his or her sacred right to vote."

: Court records reviewed by The Times show that career Justice lawyers were
: seeking a default judgment and penalties against the three men as recently
: as May 5, before abruptly ending their pursuit 10 days later.

: People directly familiar with the case, who spoke only on the condition of
: anonymity because of fear of retribution, said career lawyers in two
: separate Justice offices had recommended proceeding to default judgment
: before political superiors overruled them.

: Tensions between career lawyers and political appointees inside the Justice
: Department have been a sensitive matter since allegations surfaced during
: the Bush administration that higher-ups had ignored or reversed staff
: lawyers and that some U.S. attorneys had been removed or selected for
: political reasons.

: During his January confirmation hearings, Attorney General Eric H. Holder
: Jr. said that during his lengthy Justice Department tenure, the career
: lawyers were "my teachers, my colleagues and my friends" and described them
: as the "backbone" of the department.

: "If I am confirmed as attorney general, I will listen to them, respect them
: and make them proud of the vital goals we will pursue together," he said.

: Justice officials declined to say whether Mr. Holder or other senior Justice
: officials became involved in the case, saying they don't discuss internal
: deliberations.

: The civil suit filed Jan. 7 identified the three men as members of the
: Panthers and said they wore military-style uniforms, black berets, combat
: boots, battle-dress pants, black jackets with military-style insignias and
: were armed with "a dangerous weapon"and used racial slurs and insults to
: scare would-be voters and those there to assist them at the Philadelphia
: polling location on Nov. 4.

: The complaint said the three men engaged in "coercion, threats and
: intimidation, ... racial threats and insults, ... menacing and intimidating
: gestures, ... and movements directed at individuals who were present to
: vote." It said that unless prohibited by court sanctions, they would
: "continued to violate ... the Voting Rights Act by continuing to direct
: intimidation, threats and coercion at voters and potential voters, by again
: deploying uniformed and armed members at the entrance to polling locations
: in future elections, both in Philadelphia and throughout the country."

: To support its evidence, the government had secured an affidavit from Bartle
: Bull, a longtime civil rights activist and former aide to Sen. Robert F.
: Kennedy's 1968 presidential campaign. Mr. Bull said in a sworn statement
: dated April 7 that he was serving in November as a credentialed poll watcher
: in Philadelphia when he saw the three uniformed Panthers confront and
: intimidate voters with a nightstick.

: Inexplicably, the government did not enter the affidavit in the court case,
: according to the files.

: "In my opinion, the men created an intimidating presence at the entrance to
: a poll," he declared. "In all my experience in politics, in civil rights
: litigation and in my efforts in the 1960s to secure the right to vote in
: Mississippi ... I have never encountered or heard of another instance in the
: United States where armed and uniformed men blocked the entrance to a
: polling location."

: Mr. Bull said the "clear purpose" of what the Panthers were doing was to
: "intimidate voters with whom they did not agree." He also said he overheard
: one of the men tell a white poll watcher: "You are about to be ruled by the
: black man, cracker."

: He called their conduct an "outrageous affront to American democracy and the
: rights of voters to participate in an election without fear." He said it was
: a "racially motivated effort to limit both poll watchers aiding voters, as
: well as voters with whom the men did not agree."

: The three men named in the complaint - New Black Panther Chairman Malik Zulu
: Shabazz, Minister King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson - refused to appear
: in court to answer the accusations over a near-five month period, court
: records said.

: Justice Department Voting Rights Section Attorney J. Christian Adams
: complained in one court filing about the defendants' failure to appear or to
: file any pleadings in the case, arguing that Mr. Jackson was "not an infant,
: nor is he an incompetent person as he appears capable of managing his own
: affairs, nor is he in the military service of the United States."

: Court records show that as late as May 5, the Justice Department was still
: considering an order by U.S. District Judge Stewart Dalzell in Philadelphia
: to seek judgments, or sanctions, against the three Panthers because of their
: failure to appear.

: But 10 days later, the department reversed itself and filed a notice of
: voluntary dismissal from the complaint for Malik Zulu Shabazz and Mr.
: Jackson.

: That same day, the department asked for the default judgment against King
: Samir Shabazz, but limited the penalty to an order that he not display a
: "weapon within 100 feet of any open polling location on any election day in
: the city of Philadelphia" until Nov. 15, 2012.

: Malik Zulu Shabazz is a Washington, D.C., resident.

: Mr. Jackson was an elected member of Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic
: Committee, and was credentialed to be at the polling place last Nov. 4 as an
: official Democratic Party polling observer, according to the Philadelphia
: City Commissioner's Office.

: Efforts to reach the Panthers were unsuccessful. A telephone number listed
: on the New Black Panthers Web site had been disconnected.

: The complaint said that the three men were deployed at the entrance to a
: Philadelphia polling location wearing the uniform of the New Black Panther
: Party and that King Samir Shabazz repeatedly brandished a police-style
: nightstick with a contoured grip and wrist lanyard.

: According to the complaint, Malik Zulu Shabazz, a Howard University Law
: School graduate, said the placement of King Samir Shabazz and Mr. Jackson in
: Philadelphia was part of a nationwide effort to deploy New Black Panther
: Party members at polling locations on Election Day.

: The New Black Panther Party reportedly has 27 chapters operating across the
: United States, Britain, the Caribbean and Africa. Its Web page said it has
: become "a great witness to the validity of the works of the original Black
: Panther Party," which was founded in 1966 in Oakland, Calif.

Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
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kujebak
2009-05-30 22:27:29 UTC
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Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
Post by Frank Pittel
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MioMyo
2009-05-31 00:06:56 UTC
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Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.


If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
Post by Frank Pittel
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RichTravsky
2009-05-31 03:47:09 UTC
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Post by MioMyo
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
themselves republicon...

RT
Frank Pittel
2009-05-31 04:50:56 UTC
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In alt.politics.usa.republican RichTravsky <***@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:
: MioMyo wrote:
: >
: > "kujebak" <***@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
: > On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel <***@warlock.deepthought.com>
: > wrote:
: >
: > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > > preventing
: > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
: >
: > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
: >
: > If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....

: LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
: themselves republicon...

We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist goosestepping loser lib dems
don't have any problem with voter intimidation.
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RichTravsky
2009-05-31 05:37:41 UTC
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Post by Frank Pittel
: >
: >
: > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > > preventing
: > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
: >
: > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
: >
: > If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
: LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
: themselves republicon...
We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist goosestepping loser lib dems
don't have any problem with voter intimidation.
Trying to explain away the last two elections? HAHHAHHAHA

RT
kujebak
2009-05-31 07:07:49 UTC
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Post by RichTravsky
Post by Frank Pittel
: >
: >
: > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > > preventing
: > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
: >
: > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
: >
: > If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
: LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
: themselves republicon...
We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist goosestepping loser lib dems
don't have any problem with voter intimidation.
Trying to explain away the last two elections? HAHHAHHAHA
RT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The Reagan revolution was born in the midst of
the worst economic condition of our lifetime, and
again, it was the economy which gave the Republi-
cans control of the House in 1994. What do you
think will happen to Obama and the Democrat
Congressional majority in the entirely plausible
event we do not see any appreciable improvement
in economic activity before the next elections?
There is no amount of CIA prisoner abuse allega-
tions that will be sufficient to obscure the cause
and effect of continued economic misery. The only
thing Obama could possibly do to improve his
chances in 2012 is to stop this fiscal insanity,
and promise to keep his hands off the economy
from now on, but clearly that is not a very likely
proposition. He still hasn't even begun to tackle
health care reform, and global warming ;-)
Lamont Cranston
2009-06-01 15:44:44 UTC
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On May 30, 10:37 pm, RichTravsky
Post by RichTravsky
Post by Frank Pittel
In alt.politics.usa.republican RichTravsky
: >
message
: > On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
: >
: > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo
will be out
: > > in force preventing
: > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for
america.
: >
: > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have
been since
: > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an
: > understatement.
: >
: > If that happens, I could see a revolution
coming.....
: LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so
of Americans
: consider themselves republicon...
We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist
goosestepping
loser lib dems don't have any problem with voter
intimidation.
Trying to explain away the last two elections?
HAHHAHHAHA
RT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The Reagan revolution was born in the midst of
the worst economic condition of our lifetime,
Total bullshit. The recession of 1981 pales in comparison
to the Great Depression or the current Second Bush
Recession. Even if you toss the Great Depression, there
were at least three post-1950 recessions that were worse
than the 1981 recession.

By some standards, the entire Reagan term of office was a
recession -- unemployment averaged over 7.5% for those eight
years.
MioMyo
2009-05-31 13:09:52 UTC
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Post by RichTravsky
Post by Frank Pittel
: >
: >
: > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > > preventing
: > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
: >
: > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
: >
: > If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
: LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
: themselves republicon...
We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist goosestepping loser lib dems
don't have any problem with voter intimidation.
That's right- to libs the ends (power & control) always justifies the means
(in this case voter intimidation).
Post by RichTravsky
Trying to explain away the last two elections? HAHHAHHAHA
RT
This is the typical response from the clueless, partisan fringe leftists.
They consider power & control their birth right, so any means necessary to
achieve that goal is justified. That's why they are always blind-sided when
the people disagree and/or challenge them. That's also when they lash out
with hate or any other means toward those who they perceive as a threat to
their birth-right throne of power............
Frank Pittel
2009-05-31 14:25:54 UTC
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In alt.politics.usa.republican RichTravsky <***@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:
: Frank Pittel wrote:
: >
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican RichTravsky <***@hotmmoveail.com> wrote:
: > : MioMyo wrote:
: > : >
: > : > "kujebak" <***@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
: > : > On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel <***@warlock.deepthought.com>
: > : > wrote:
: > : >
: > : > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > : > > preventing
: > : > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
: > : >
: > : > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: > : > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
: > : >
: > : > If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
: >
: > : LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
: > : themselves republicon...
: >
: > We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist goosestepping loser lib dems
: > don't have any problem with voter intimidation.

: Trying to explain away the last two elections? HAHHAHHAHA

A bunch of armed racist looney tune brain dead lying fascist jackboot loser lib dems show
up to a polling place during an election to intimidate voters and hurl racial epithets at
white voters and you and your fellow looney tune brain dead lying fascist jackboot loser
lib dems have no problem with it.
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MioMyo
2009-05-31 13:25:28 UTC
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Post by Frank Pittel
: >
: >
: > > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > > preventing
: > > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
: >
: > <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: > <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
: >
: > If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
: LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
: themselves republicon...
We know the looney tune brain dead lying fascist goosestepping loser lib dems
don't have any problem with voter intimidation.
Tell us, Frank Pittiful, do you seriously believe what you write?
Tell us tard, do you not believe your lying eyes or did you not inform
yourself with the substantive facts in this discussion by ignoring the video
link proving voter intimidation?

Here, want to try again, libtard?



This video is now being reported on the Washington Times so if all you can
do is attack this paper in an attempt to avoid the truth, people will see
your actions for what they all so typically are.....

The Times article with the same embedded video....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1

Which brings one to question why NONE of the other medias have reported this
blatantly obvious case of Constitutionally illegal voter intimidation.......
MioMyo
2009-05-31 14:51:11 UTC
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Buahahahaha, the mooonies.
that's a laugh.
Try the one below loser. It does happen to be the same video as the one on
the Washington Times so stuff that one up your ass, moron.

http://youtu.be/lFpfQpuuVzI

BTW- racist like you cowardly & your ilk are the laughingstock. Get used to
that fact.....

Now can you or can you NOT defend your racist jack-booted thugs intimidating
voters or not?

BTW- intimidating voters at the polls is a federal offense, however, bamby's
AG seems to feel that it's okay when it helps keep his puppet-master
empowered!

Also, newsgroups restored.

ROFLMFAO................
MioMyo
2009-05-31 20:30:27 UTC
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The Mooonies. Buahahahahahahahaha. Rev Sun Young Moon.
MeeeeeOhhhhhMyOhhhhhhs new hero.
You lying Moron, you tube has had it for 6-months (long before the times
article), which proves you chose to neither check nor verify your non-facts
before making a fool of yourself, tard.....

Here, try again bitch....

http://youtu.be/lFpfQpuuVzI
tha's rich.
What's funny is you haven't a clue as to how far I just planted my boot up
your ass.
kujebak
2009-05-31 06:27:02 UTC
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Post by RichTravsky
Post by MioMyo
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
themselves republicon...
RT
30% according to whom? Results of any survey always
depend on its agenda, which affects how the questions
are formulated. How many Americans do you think con-
sider themselves socialist (another way of labeling the
acceptance of Obama’s economic measures)? Besides,
people will always vote on the issues in presidential elec-
tions, not on their party affiliation. As the significance of
Bush’s legacy slowly dwindles in the minds of most
Americans, and is replaced by the one and only issue
that will matter in 2012, it will become increasingly
more difficult for the Democrats to continue pushing
their left-wing programs. The effects of political resistance
are clearly beginning to show in Obama’s vacillation on
some of his key campaign promises.
MioMyo
2009-05-31 13:38:43 UTC
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Post by RichTravsky
Post by MioMyo
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
themselves republicon...
RT
<>30% according to whom? Results of any survey always
<>depend on its agenda, which affects how the questions
<>are formulated. How many Americans do you think con-
<>sider themselves socialist (another way of labeling the
<>acceptance of Obama’s economic measures)? Besides,
<>people will always vote on the issues in presidential elec-
<>tions, not on their party affiliation. As the significance of
<>Bush’s legacy slowly dwindles in the minds of most
<>Americans, and is replaced by the one and only issue
<>that will matter in 2012, it will become increasingly
<>more difficult for the Democrats to continue pushing
<>their left-wing programs. The effects of political resistance
<>are clearly beginning to show in Obama’s vacillation on
<>some of his key campaign promises.


As it appears the left's agenda is NOW to continue hood-winking the public
through the 2010 elections anyway maintaining and/or increasing their
congressional majority. Their aim is to blame Bush. If achievable, bamby and
the dems feel they would have the additional time before 2012 to implement
their onerous liberal-socialist agenda. They can't have yet contrived their
plan for the 12 presidential election because it depends to heavily on the
mid-term next year, but for now their mantra is continue the hood-winking of
people into believing the worlds problems are the result of Bush I & II and
even Reagan. Whether or not they can get by with this MO remains to be seen.
Lamont Cranston
2009-06-01 15:45:35 UTC
Permalink
On May 30, 8:47 pm, RichTravsky
Post by RichTravsky
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will
be out in
force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for
america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have
been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of
Americans
consider themselves republicon...
RT
30% according to whom?
Every reputable pollster in the country. 30% may be high.
m***@hotmail.com
2009-06-01 18:16:21 UTC
Permalink
On May 30, 8:47 pm, RichTravsky
Post by RichTravsky
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will
be out in
force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for
america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have
been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of
Americans
consider themselves republicon...
RT
30% according to whom?
Every reputable pollster in the country.  30% may be high.-
Isn't it hysterical the way the righards whistle past the graveyard?

Take a look at the latest polling for Independent voters.

The trend shows that Repugs will be out of power for decades.
MioMyo
2009-05-31 12:52:32 UTC
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Post by RichTravsky
Post by MioMyo
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force preventing
people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.
<>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
<>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.
If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....
LOL - as if that'd happen when only some 30% or so of Americans consider
themselves republicon...
RT
So you can foretell the future.... figures......
Frank Pittel
2009-06-01 02:25:46 UTC
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In alt.politics.usa.republican MioMyo <***@somewhere.com> wrote:

: "kujebak" <***@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
: news:ce220800-a3af-4500-9a15-***@z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
: On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel <***@warlock.deepthought.com>
: wrote:

: >
: > Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be out in force
: > preventing
: > people from voting for anyone that's "bad" for america.

: <>If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
: <>last November, that may well turn out to be an understatement.


: If that happens, I could see a revolution coming.....

I don't see it. The American people have been trained not to be willing
to fight for their rights.
--
-------------------
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
Lamont Cranston
2009-06-01 15:28:20 UTC
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Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's "bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an election
in 2012.
kujebak
2009-06-01 16:11:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's "bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Lamont Cranston
2009-06-01 16:22:58 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 1, 8:28 am, "Lamont Cranston"
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will
be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's
"bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been
since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an
election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Wrong. The objective is to do away with the need. We'll
always have them because elections are how the score is
kept.
kujebak
2009-06-01 18:30:59 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 1, 8:28 am, "Lamont Cranston"
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo will
be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's
"bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have been
since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an
election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Wrong.  The objective is to do away with the need.   We'll
always have them because elections are how the score is
kept.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Score kept on who votes how, right? By means of the
open ballot, I presume, like the labor unions. I'm quite
familiar with your political playbook. That's how the
communists held on to power in Eastern Europe for
40 years. By maintaining a sham of pluralism ;-)
Lamont Cranston
2009-06-01 18:47:43 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 1, 9:22 am, "Lamont Cranston"
On Jun 1, 8:28 am, "Lamont Cranston"
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo
will
be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's
"bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an
election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Wrong. The objective is to do away with the need. We'll
always have them because elections are how the score is
kept.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Score kept on who votes how, right?
Wrong. Score kept on who gets the most votes.
kujebak
2009-06-01 23:48:43 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 1, 9:22 am, "Lamont Cranston"
On Jun 1, 8:28 am, "Lamont Cranston"
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo
will
be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's
"bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an
election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Wrong. The objective is to do away with the need. We'll
always have them because elections are how the score is
kept.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Score kept on who votes how, right?
Wrong.  Score kept on who gets the most votes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The number of card carrying Democrats has always
tracked the level of labor unionism in this country,
which has gone down from 27% 20 years ago to
about 12 % today. Compare that to around 40%
union membership in the public sector. What’s
wrong with this picture? Isn’t it the public sector
unions that have driven a number of states into
bankruptcy? At the same time private industry
unionism has been dying on the vine. This is why
the “card check” provision is so crucial to organized
labor. To stave off irrelevance of the unions, and
their political support base (the socialist fringe De-
mocrats) This is why Obama is so intent on hel-
ping the only remaining heavily unionized private
industry. Because, as a dutiful Marxist, he is clearly
beholden to organized labor, more than any other
constituency, including the legitimate GM current
equity owners – the bond holders. Anyone with an
average IQ can clearly see what’s going on in
Washington right now, and that there’s soon going
to be economic hell to pay for all this fiscal insanity.
Lamont Cranston
2009-06-02 14:03:48 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 1, 11:47 am, "Lamont Cranston"
On Jun 1, 9:22 am, "Lamont Cranston"
On Jun 1, 8:28 am, "Lamont Cranston"
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for
dumbo
will
be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone
that's
"bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they
have
been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold
an
election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Wrong. The objective is to do away with the need.
We'll
always have them because elections are how the score
is
kept.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Score kept on who votes how, right?
Wrong. Score kept on who gets the most votes.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The number of card carrying Democrats has always
tracked the level of labor unionism
Changing the subject is a form of surrender. Thanks for
playing.
MioMyo
2009-06-03 03:48:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by kujebak
On Jun 1, 9:22 am, "Lamont Cranston"
On Jun 1, 8:28 am, "Lamont Cranston"
Post by kujebak
Post by Frank Pittel
On May 30, 10:33 am, Frank Pittel
Post by Frank Pittel
Just wait until 2012. The "soldiers" for dumbo
will
be
out in force
preventing people from voting for anyone that's
"bad"
for america.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
last November, that may well turn out to be an
understatement.
If things continue to shape up the way they have
been
since
January 20, there will be no need to even hold an
election
in 2012.
No doubt that is you people's ultimate objective.
Doing away with elections :-)
Wrong. The objective is to do away with the need. We'll
always have them because elections are how the score is
kept.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Score kept on who votes how, right?
Wrong. Score kept on who gets the most votes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The number of card carrying Democrats has always
tracked the level of labor unionism
Changing the subject is a form of surrender. Thanks for playing.
In other words you surrendered the moment you entered this thread....

Thanks for the clarification.......
MioMyo
2009-05-30 18:24:52 UTC
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/craponastick
<>The Mooonies? Really, that's your source? Reverend Sun Myung Moon?
<>
<>Buahahahahahahahaha - thanks for the laugh, traitor.
<>
<>groups trimmed, spamming sucks.

You poor dumb-f_ck inbred racist coward.

If you had clicked on the link, you'd seen the video which tells the whole
story without need for an explanation...

Only a racist coward like timmey runs with desperation away from the
truth.........

BTW- relevant political discussion groups restored.....
MioMyo
2009-05-30 22:11:53 UTC
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http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger..shtml

July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing I-46,
an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre property.
Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park guidelines by
displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster Guy," In Other
News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.

While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46" sign
and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural Amphitheater. Two
people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached him and told him he had
to take the sign down. He asked why. They said it was against the rules.
"What rules?" he asked.

They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley that
people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered Crowley to
take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then took the sign down
himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.

The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center grounds--responded
immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and ordering Crowley to come
with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out
of control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other cops
escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a card with his
name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return
to Seattle Center for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the
police refused.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559

The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other cops
escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a card with his
name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return
to Seattle Center for a year.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml

Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen again.
He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police is that the
city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens of Seattle. Heaving
a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really disappointing." Of
course, people are free to turn out with signs for labor, the environment,
social justice, whatever the cause, he said.

http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...

1999 Seattle Election Information
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/craponastick
<>The Mooonies? Really, that's your source? Reverend Sun Myung Moon?
<>
<>Buahahahahahahahaha - thanks for the laugh, traitor.
<>
<>groups trimmed, spamming sucks.
You poor dumb-f_ck inbred racist coward.
<>hint: it's spelled FUCK.

So it is, tard....

<>And you have never been able to point to a
<>single racist thing I've ever done.

I'm just employing your tactics, you racist bigot....

Enjoy.....

<>As for the coward comment.

Kicking your ass at every turn. However, I see that you are so annoyed at me
that you've been posting two and sometimes three responses to each of mine.
That only goes to show what a weak minded kunt you are timmey the
coward.....

<>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. hide, bitch.

Kicking your ASS.... ROFLMFAO..... kunt......

BTW... groups restored.....
Tazmanian Devil
2009-06-04 18:39:35 UTC
Permalink
Obama condones Brown-Shirt voter intimidation? Perhaps, because Holder's
Justice Dept. has yet to go after Blackwell, Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush,
and all the other criminals who disenfranchised countless voters to
install the little dictator, Dubya. The innocent blood of thousands
(including those in the Twin Towers) is on their hands, as well as on
the hands of the SCOTUS 5. Yours, too, you pathetic little Nazi.

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