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Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
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f***@apw.sor
2009-01-09 14:42:36 UTC
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Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire

By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers

JERUSALEM – Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire.

One Israeli airstrike killed two Hamas militants and another
unidentified man, while another flattened a five-story building in
northern Gaza, killing at least seven people, including an infant,
Hamas officials said. Israeli aircraft struck more than 30 targets
before dawn, and there were constant explosions after first light.

By midday, 19 Palestinians had been killed, pushing the death toll to
more than 760 and in the two-week-old conflict, according to Gaza
health officials who say at least half of those killed were civilians.
Thirteen Israelis have also been killed.

A U.N. Security Council resolution approved Thursday night called
urgently for an immediate, durable and fully respected cease-fire,
leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. The U.S.,
Israel's closest ally and a veto-wielding member of the Security
Council, abstained.

While the call is tantamount to a demand on the parties, Israel's
troops won't be required to pull out of Gaza until there is a durable
cease-fire. The resolution calls on U.N. member states to intensify
efforts to provide guarantees in Gaza to sustain a lasting truce,
including prevention of illicit trafficking in arms and ammunition.

In Israel's first official response to the resolution, Prime Minister
Ehud Olmert's office said the Hamas rockets fired at Israel Friday
"only prove that the U.N.'s decision is not practical and will not be
kept in practice by the Palestinian murder organizations."

A Hamas spokesman said the Islamic militant group "is not interested"
in the cease-fire because it was not consulted and the resolution did
not meet its minimum demands.

Israel launched its assault on Dec. 27 in an attempt to halt years of
rocket fire from the Hamas-controlled territory.

Despite the devastating offensive, Hamas has kept up rocket attacks on
southern Israel. The rockets fired Friday hit in and around two of the
largest southern cities, Beersheba and Ashkelon. Cities within rocket
range of Gaza have largely been paralyzed since the fighting began.

The Security Council action came hours after a U.N. agency suspended
food deliveries to Gaza, and the Red Cross accused Israel of blocking
medical assistance after forces fired on aid workers. It also followed
concerns of a wider conflict after militants in Lebanon fired rockets
into northern Israel early Thursday, though the border has been quiet
since.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the U.S. "fully supports" the
resolution but abstained "to see the outcomes of the Egyptian
mediation" with Israel and Hamas, also aimed at achieving a
cease-fire.

Osama Hamdan, a Hamas envoy to Lebanon, told the al-Arabiya satellite
channel that the group "is not interested in it because it does not
meet the demands of the movement."

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said the U.N. failed to consider the
interests of the Palestinian people.

"This resolution doesn't mean that the war is over," he told the
Al-Jazeera satellite television network. "We call on the Palestinian
fighters to mobilize and be ready to face the offensive, and we urge
the Arab masses to carry on with their angry protests."

Israel's government says any cease-fire must guarantee an end to
rocket fire and arms smuggling into Gaza. During a six-month
cease-fire that ended with the current operation, Hamas is thought to
have used tunnels under the Egypt-Gaza border to smuggle in the
medium-range rockets it is now using to hit deeper than ever inside
Israel.

Hamas has said it won't accept any agreement that does not include the
full opening Gaza's blockaded border crossings. Israel is unlikely to
agree to that demand, as it would allow Hamas to strengthen its hold
on the territory which it violently seized in June 2007.

With Israeli troops now in control of many of the open areas used by
militants to launch rockets, gunman have continued shooting from
inside populated neighborhoods.

The conflict has left hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza
increasingly desperate for food, water, fuel and medical assistance,
and the situation was expected to worsen as humanitarian efforts fall
victim to the fighting.

One of the dead Thursday was a Ukrainian woman, the first foreigner to
die in the fighting, according to Gaza Health Ministry official Dr.
Moaiya Hassanain. He said the woman was married to a Palestinian
doctor who trained in Ukraine and returned with her to Gaza. Her
2-year-old son was also killed in the tank shelling east of Gaza City,
he said.

Details are emerging of other incidents in which civilians were
killed. A U.N. agency said Israeli troops evacuated Palestinian
civilians to a house in Gaza City on Jan. 4, then shelled the building
24 hours later, killing 30 people.

The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs report
was based on eyewitness testimony. It added details to an incident
previously reported by The Associated Press and an Israeli human
rights group.

The U.N. agency said 110 people were in the house. The 30 people
reported killed is a far higher figure than in other accounts.

The Israeli military had no comment on the report Friday.

The West Bank saw its biggest protests so far Friday, as thousands
took to the streets following prayers to express their anger at the
Israeli offensive.

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*The repugnant party in the US made a big deal out of Saddam Hussein
ignoring the UN. So...where are they now? There's only so many
democrats and just so many stinkfingers on a repug.
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-09 16:40:33 UTC
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Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM – Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.

War Without End, Amen.
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-10 04:03:38 UTC
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Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM - Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.
NO WONDER YOU KEEP LOSING ELECTIONS!!
lein
2009-01-11 05:32:09 UTC
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Post by f***@apw.sor
Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM – Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.
Yup, just like the Canadians and Krauts in your parents lifetime,
though the Canadians response was an order of magnitude
disproportionate.
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-11 17:41:26 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:32:09 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
Post by f***@apw.sor
Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM – Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.
Yup, just like the Canadians and Krauts in your parents lifetime,
Well, also in mine as such things go, though for quite a short time.

But the comparison is not apt. In those times, there were actual
Nations who were actually At War with each other.

It was altogether a more comfortable sort of thing.
Post by lein
though the Canadians response was an order of magnitude
disproportionate.
Not a bit.

You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-12 00:47:26 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:32:09 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
Post by f***@apw.sor
Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM - Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.
Yup, just like the Canadians and Krauts in your parents lifetime,
Well, also in mine as such things go, though for quite a short time.
But the comparison is not apt. In those times, there were actual
Nations who were actually At War with each other.
It was altogether a more comfortable sort of thing.
Post by lein
though the Canadians response was an order of magnitude
disproportionate.
Not a bit.
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close. Canada just didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
zarkon
2009-01-12 00:53:13 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:32:09 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
Post by f***@apw.sor
Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM - Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.
Yup, just like the Canadians and Krauts in your parents lifetime,
Well, also in mine as such things go, though for quite a short time.
But the comparison is not apt. In those times, there were actual
Nations who were actually At War with each other.
It was altogether a more comfortable sort of thing.
Post by lein
though the Canadians response was an order of magnitude
disproportionate.
Not a bit.
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close. Canada just didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Think maple syrup, and lots of it!
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-12 17:47:25 UTC
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close. Canada just didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!


The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million. Not a lot.

But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.

My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory from Canada Car.

You have No idea what you're talking about.
Bill Shatzer
2009-01-12 19:50:53 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close. Canada just didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million. Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory from Canada Car.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Total Canadian aircraft production during WW2 was over 16,000 aircraft
and included, in addition to over a thousand Helldivers, Hurricanes,
Lancasters, Lysanders, Mosquistoes, and PBY Catalinas.

Not to mention nearly 200 escort ships and over 3 million tons of
merchant shipping.

Peace and justice,
lein
2009-01-12 21:02:27 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you?  They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close.Canadajust didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million.  Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory fromCanadaCar.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Total Canadian aircraft production during WW2 was over 16,000 aircraft
and included, in addition to over a thousand Helldivers, Hurricanes,
Lancasters, Lysanders, Mosquistoes, and PBY Catalinas.
Not to mention nearly 200 escort ships and over 3 million tons of
merchant shipping.
No doubt Canada ranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others. You didn't mention what percent of
Canada's military was deployed out of country.
Scratch
2009-01-12 22:24:21 UTC
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Post by lein
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun
contribution to WW2 do you?  They were in the fray earlier than
the US, and on a per capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close.Canadajust didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million.  Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory fromCanadaCar.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Total Canadian aircraft production during WW2 was over 16,000
aircraft and included, in addition to over a thousand Helldivers,
Hurricanes, Lancasters, Lysanders, Mosquistoes, and PBY Catalinas.
Not to mention nearly 200 escort ships and over 3 million tons of
merchant shipping.
No doubt Canada ranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others. You didn't mention what percent of
Canada's military was deployed out of country.
LOL ;)
--
Government is not the solution to our problem; government 'is' the
problem. Reagan - January 20, 1981
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-13 17:13:37 UTC
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:02:27 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
No doubt Canada ranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others.
Canada hardly Profited off the war the way Sweden did. Canada was not
a Neutral -- and it was most active.
Post by lein
You didn't mention what percent of
Canada's military was deployed out of country.
Why would that matter? The British Empire folks used Canada as a
major training base, because its conditions were very like those in
northern Europe. And the Canajun Navy did excellent service with ASW
efforts in the North Atlantic.

It did have active combat units -- deployed into North Africa and was
in Normandy, along with the Dieppe raid - which was ill-considered and
in which it had a bunch of casualties.

And remember -- it had only about 12 Million total population at the
time.
lein
2009-01-13 17:33:52 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:02:27 -0800 (PST), lein
No doubtCanadaranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others.
Canadahardly Profited off the war the way Sweden did.  Canadawas not
a Neutral -- and it was most active.
You didn't mention what percent of
Canada'smilitary was deployed out of country.
Why would that matter?  The British Empire folks usedCanadaas a
major training base, because its conditions were very like those in
northern Europe.  And the Canajun Navy did excellent service with ASW
efforts in the North Atlantic.
It did have active combat units -- deployed into North Africa and was
in Normandy, along with the Dieppe raid - which was ill-considered and
in which it had a bunch of casualties.
And remember -- it had only about 12 Million total population at the
time.
Yes, I know they only had 12 Million, and they deployed fewer
(percentage wise) than pretty much every commonwealth country.
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-13 18:49:36 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:33:52 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:02:27 -0800 (PST), lein
No doubtCanadaranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others.
Canadahardly Profited off the war the way Sweden did.  Canadawas not
a Neutral -- and it was most active.
You didn't mention what percent of
Canada'smilitary was deployed out of country.
Why would that matter?  The British Empire folks usedCanadaas a
major training base, because its conditions were very like those in
northern Europe.  And the Canajun Navy did excellent service with ASW
efforts in the North Atlantic.
It did have active combat units -- deployed into North Africa and was
in Normandy, along with the Dieppe raid - which was ill-considered and
in which it had a bunch of casualties.
And remember -- it had only about 12 Million total population at the
time.
Yes, I know they only had 12 Million, and they deployed fewer
(percentage wise) than pretty much every commonwealth country.
But being the closest other Commonwealth country, they concentrated
their energies on doing things like Mining, for example -- which
England couldn't do because it didn't have the resources with which to
do it.
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-14 07:17:03 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:33:52 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:02:27 -0800 (PST), lein
No doubtCanadaranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others.
Canadahardly Profited off the war the way Sweden did. Canadawas not
a Neutral -- and it was most active.
You didn't mention what percent of
Canada'smilitary was deployed out of country.
Why would that matter? The British Empire folks usedCanadaas a
major training base, because its conditions were very like those in
northern Europe. And the Canajun Navy did excellent service with ASW
efforts in the North Atlantic.
It did have active combat units -- deployed into North Africa and was
in Normandy, along with the Dieppe raid - which was ill-considered and
in which it had a bunch of casualties.
And remember -- it had only about 12 Million total population at the
time.
Yes, I know they only had 12 Million, and they deployed fewer
(percentage wise) than pretty much every commonwealth country.
But being the closest other Commonwealth country, they concentrated
their energies on doing things like Mining, for example -- which
England couldn't do because it didn't have the resources with which to
do it.
Mining just WHAT, Dondi?
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-14 16:52:34 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:17:03 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:33:52 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Yes, I know they only had 12 Million, and they deployed fewer
(percentage wise) than pretty much every commonwealth country.
But being the closest other Commonwealth country, they concentrated
their energies on doing things like Mining, for example -- which
England couldn't do because it didn't have the resources with which to
do it.
Mining just WHAT, Dondi?
What would you like to discuss.

Uranium, for example?

Or how about nickel and chrome? And other strategically important
metals.

Google is your friend. Keyword: Sudbury
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-15 06:12:07 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:17:03 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:33:52 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Yes, I know they only had 12 Million, and they deployed fewer
(percentage wise) than pretty much every commonwealth country.
But being the closest other Commonwealth country, they concentrated
their energies on doing things like Mining, for example -- which
England couldn't do because it didn't have the resources with which to
do it.
Mining just WHAT, Dondi?
What would you like to discuss.
Uranium, for example?
Or how about nickel and chrome? And other strategically important
metals.
Google is your friend. Keyword: Sudbury
and

Lobby Dosser
2009-01-14 07:16:06 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:02:27 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
No doubt Canada ranks up there with Sweden with regards to profiting
off the war and death of others.
Canada hardly Profited off the war the way Sweden did.
Faint Praise.
lein
2009-01-12 21:00:47 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you?  They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close.Canadajust didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million.  Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
Did more sitting around the pub drinking Molsens perhaps.
Post by g***@amusenet.com
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory fromCanadaCar.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Yes he does, Canada stayed home during the war (but did manage to kill
a disproportionate number of German civilians).
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-13 17:13:37 UTC
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you?  They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close.Canadajust didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million.  Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
Did more sitting around the pub drinking Molsens perhaps.
Nope.
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory fromCanadaCar.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Yes he does, Canada stayed home during the war (but did manage to kill
a disproportionate number of German civilians).
No -- he doesn't. Canada hardly Stayed Home. It just didn't have a
very large military to begin with, from a population base of only 12
million people. As previously noted, it was in North Africa and at
Normandy and Dieppe, along with some other actions as well.
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-14 07:17:56 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:00:47 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close.Canadajust didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million. Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
Did more sitting around the pub drinking Molsens perhaps.
Nope.
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory fromCanadaCar.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Yes he does, Canada stayed home during the war (but did manage to kill
a disproportionate number of German civilians).
No -- he doesn't. Canada hardly Stayed Home. It just didn't have a
very large military to begin with, from a population base of only 12
million people. As previously noted, it was in North Africa and at
Normandy and Dieppe, along with some other actions as well.
The entire Platoon!
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-13 09:05:41 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close. Canada just didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million. Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory from Canada Car.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Lobby Dosser
2009-01-13 09:06:04 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:47:26 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you? They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Nope. Not even close. Canada just didn't have the manufacturing
infrastructure.
Pfeh!
The entire population of Canuckistan circa 1939 was about twelve
million. Not a lot.
But on a per capita basis, did more than the US did.
My mom, for example, worked in an airplane factory Before 7 Dec 41
building Helldivers in a converted factory from Canada Car.
You have No idea what you're talking about.
Nope, YOU don't.
lein
2009-01-12 20:56:10 UTC
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Post by g***@amusenet.com
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:32:09 -0800 (PST), lein
Post by lein
Post by g***@amusenet.com
Post by f***@apw.sor
Israel, Hamas defy UN call for cease-fire
By MATTI FRIEDMAN and IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writers Matti
Friedman And Ibrahim Barzak, Associated Press Writers
JERUSALEM – Israeli jets and helicopters bombarded Gaza Friday and
Hamas responded with a barrage of rockets on two cities as both sides
defied a U.N. call for an immediate cease-fire....
As I said earlier, each of them fights because it's in their Interest
to do so, because they Want to do so, and because the Like to do so.
Yup, just like the Canadians and Krauts in your parents lifetime,
Well, also in mine as such things go, though for quite a short time.
But the comparison is not apt.  In those times, there were actual
Nations who were actually At War with each other.
Yes, governments were at war with each other, and not much different
than the middle east given that both sides had democratically elected
governments.
Post by g***@amusenet.com
It was altogether a more comfortable sort of thing.
Post by lein
though the Canadians response was an order of magnitude
disproportionate.
Not a bit.
Canada had no civilian casualties, how many German civilians were
killed by Canadians?
Post by g***@amusenet.com
You really have just exactly No concept of the Canajun contribution to
WW2 do you?  They were in the fray earlier than the US, and on a per
capita basis did more than the US did.
Putting people in uniform and keeping them safe at home isn't much of
a contribution.
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