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What an Obama Presidency would mean to America
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Kathleen Miller
2008-10-29 08:24:31 UTC
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The top ten things that would happen if we elect a pro-choice president On
November 4th:
1. Roe v. Wade would exist for at least another 30 to 40 years by the US
Supreme Court appointments he makes. The next president will make at least
one, and probably two US Supreme Court appointments. If elected to a second
term, he could make as many as six appointments. The average Supreme Court
Justice serves 23 years. Because the next two justices that are likely to
retire are both pro-abortion, a pro-life president could position the courts
to overturn Roe V. Wade in the next few years.

2. The "Freedom of Choice Act" would override all state laws regarding
abortion and eliminate 35 years of laws that have reduced abortions in the
USA. Obama co-sponsored the Freedom of Choice Act (S. 1173) and would make
passing it one of his "first priorities as president". It would eliminate
parental notification laws, 24-hour waiting period for abortions, and
education of women about the abortion risks and development of her unborn
child. The Freedom of Choice act would require taxpayer funding of abortion
and make partial birth abortion legal again.

3. A pro-choice president would sponsor a bill for elimination of the Hyde
Amendment, and thus force all taxpayers to bear the costs of free abortions
for the poor. The Hyde Amendment has protected federal taxpayers from being
forced to fund abortions through Medicaid.

4. A pro-choice president would include abortion as a "covered procedure" in
any national health care insurance plan making abortions more readily
available and forcing taxpayers to fund them.

5. A pro-choice president would require all medical schools to train doctors
to perform abortions and force doctors to perform abortions regardless of
their personal moral or religious beliefs or convictions.

6. A pro-choice president would likely issue an Executive Order (probably on
his first day in office as did President Clinton) eliminating the Mexico
City policy. The Mexico City policy bars US foreign aid money from being
given to organizations or companies that perform or promote abortion
overseas.

7. A pro-choice president would restore funding for UNFPA (United Nations
Population Fund) which provided millions of dollars of funding for abortions
and forced sterilizations in many Third World countries and China.

8. A pro-choice president would remove the current restriction prohibiting
use of US Defense Budget monies on abortions for military personnel.

9. A pro-choice president would lead the way to the repeal of the ban on
partial-birth abortions, where a baby's skull is stabbed with scissors in
the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and
ease passage of the corpse into the pan. Obama co-sponsored S. 1173 making
partial birth abortion legal again.

10. A pro-choice president could overturn the Born-Alive Infants Protection
Act. The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was a law passed by the United
States Congress in 2002. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive
after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed into law on August
5, 2002 by President Bush.
bushlyed
2008-10-29 08:42:57 UTC
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Post by Kathleen Miller
The top ten things that would happen if we elect a pro-choice president On
1. Roe v. Wade would exist for at least another 30 to 40 years by the US
Supreme Court appointments he makes. The next president will make at least
one, and probably two US Supreme Court appointments. If elected to a second
term, he could make as many as six appointments. The average Supreme Court
Justice serves 23 years. Because the next two justices that are likely to
retire are both pro-abortion, a pro-life president could position the courts
to overturn Roe V. Wade in the next few years.
A good thing

Whether a woman chooses to have a baby or not is her business not
yours
Post by Kathleen Miller
2. The "Freedom of Choice Act" would override all state laws regarding
abortion and eliminate 35 years of laws that have reduced abortions in the
USA. Obama co-sponsored the Freedom of Choice Act (S. 1173) and would make
passing it one of his "first priorities as president". It would eliminate
parental notification laws, 24-hour waiting period for abortions, and
education of women about the abortion risks and development of her unborn
child. The Freedom of Choice act would require taxpayer funding of abortion
and make partial birth abortion legal again.
Why the 24 hour waiting period. You don't require a 24 hour waiting
period for any other procedure. It is only designed to make it more
difficult for a woman to get required medical services.

Education of women about the abortion risks? Abortions are safer than
having your tonsils removed. Give me a break.

And there is no such thing as partial birth abortions, just a right
wing term.
Post by Kathleen Miller
3. A pro-choice president would sponsor a bill for elimination of the Hyde
Amendment, and thus force all taxpayers to bear the costs of free abortions
for the poor. The Hyde Amendment has protected federal taxpayers from being
forced to fund abortions through Medicaid.
OK, please sign the pledge to provide medical care, food, clothing,
shelter and schooling to those poor kids who are born
Post by Kathleen Miller
4. A pro-choice president would include abortion as a "covered procedure" in
any national health care insurance plan making abortions more readily
available and forcing taxpayers to fund them.
Hopefully, yes
Post by Kathleen Miller
5. A pro-choice president would require all medical schools to train doctors
to perform abortions and force doctors to perform abortions regardless of
their personal moral or religious beliefs or convictions.
No one would force doctors to perform abortions period

You are full of shit
Post by Kathleen Miller
6. A pro-choice president would likely issue an Executive Order (probably on
his first day in office as did President Clinton) eliminating the Mexico
City policy. The Mexico City policy bars US foreign aid money from being
given to organizations or companies that perform or promote abortion
overseas.
Good for him
Post by Kathleen Miller
7. A pro-choice president would restore funding for UNFPA (United Nations
Population Fund) which provided millions of dollars of funding for abortions
and forced sterilizations in many Third World countries and China.
No one is for forced sterilization you dumb cunt (although I could
easily make an exception in your case)
Post by Kathleen Miller
9. A pro-choice president would lead the way to the repeal of the ban on
partial-birth abortions, where a baby's skull is stabbed with scissors in
the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and
ease passage of the corpse into the pan. Obama co-sponsored S. 1173 making
partial birth abortion legal again.
Again, there is no such thing as partial birth abortions and there is
already protection but you need the straw man argument
Post by Kathleen Miller
10. A pro-choice president could overturn the Born-Alive Infants Protection
Act. The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was a law passed by the United
States Congress in 2002. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive
after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed into law on August
5, 2002 by President Bush.
Tim Hattrell
2008-10-29 13:44:51 UTC
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You Christo fascists can go back under your rocks now. Your days are done.
Post by Kathleen Miller
The top ten things that would happen if we elect a pro-choice president On
1. Roe v. Wade would exist for at least another 30 to 40 years by the US
Supreme Court appointments he makes. The next president will make at least
one, and probably two US Supreme Court appointments. If elected to a
second term, he could make as many as six appointments. The average
Supreme Court Justice serves 23 years. Because the next two justices that
are likely to retire are both pro-abortion, a pro-life president could
position the courts to overturn Roe V. Wade in the next few years.
2. The "Freedom of Choice Act" would override all state laws regarding
abortion and eliminate 35 years of laws that have reduced abortions in the
USA. Obama co-sponsored the Freedom of Choice Act (S. 1173) and would make
passing it one of his "first priorities as president". It would eliminate
parental notification laws, 24-hour waiting period for abortions, and
education of women about the abortion risks and development of her unborn
child. The Freedom of Choice act would require taxpayer funding of
abortion and make partial birth abortion legal again.
3. A pro-choice president would sponsor a bill for elimination of the Hyde
Amendment, and thus force all taxpayers to bear the costs of free
abortions for the poor. The Hyde Amendment has protected federal taxpayers
from being forced to fund abortions through Medicaid.
4. A pro-choice president would include abortion as a "covered procedure"
in any national health care insurance plan making abortions more readily
available and forcing taxpayers to fund them.
5. A pro-choice president would require all medical schools to train
doctors to perform abortions and force doctors to perform abortions
regardless of their personal moral or religious beliefs or convictions.
6. A pro-choice president would likely issue an Executive Order (probably
on his first day in office as did President Clinton) eliminating the
Mexico City policy. The Mexico City policy bars US foreign aid money from
being given to organizations or companies that perform or promote abortion
overseas.
7. A pro-choice president would restore funding for UNFPA (United Nations
Population Fund) which provided millions of dollars of funding for
abortions and forced sterilizations in many Third World countries and
China.
8. A pro-choice president would remove the current restriction prohibiting
use of US Defense Budget monies on abortions for military personnel.
9. A pro-choice president would lead the way to the repeal of the ban on
partial-birth abortions, where a baby's skull is stabbed with scissors in
the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and
ease passage of the corpse into the pan. Obama co-sponsored S. 1173 making
partial birth abortion legal again.
10. A pro-choice president could overturn the Born-Alive Infants
Protection Act. The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was a law passed by
the United States Congress in 2002. It extends legal protection to an
infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was
signed into law on August 5, 2002 by President Bush.
John Mayson
2008-10-29 14:49:29 UTC
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You reall overestimate the power of the president. Right off the bat the
president cannot force medical schools to teach the procedure nor can he
force doctors to perform it.

Abortion didn't really hit the national radar until the 1980 election.
In the past 28 years we've had 20 years of pro-life presidents and 8 years
of a pro-choice president. Abortion isn't illegal. It's still very much
the law of the land. Remember kids, it's CONGRESS that passes laws, not
the president. And you discount the importance of the states in this
matter too.

John
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John Mayson <***@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
Mark Sebree
2008-10-29 23:28:26 UTC
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Post by Kathleen Miller
The top ten things that would happen if we elect a pro-choice president On
1. Roe v. Wade would exist for at least another 30 to 40 years by the US
Supreme Court appointments he makes. The next president will make at least
one, and probably two US Supreme Court appointments. If elected to a second
term, he could make as many as six appointments. The average Supreme Court
Justice serves 23 years. Because the next two justices that are likely to
retire are both pro-abortion, a pro-life president could position the courts
to overturn Roe V. Wade in the next few years.
2. The "Freedom of Choice Act" would override all state laws regarding
abortion and eliminate 35 years of laws that have reduced abortions in the
USA. Obama co-sponsored the Freedom of Choice Act (S. 1173) and would make
passing it one of his "first priorities as president". It would eliminate
parental notification laws, 24-hour waiting period for abortions, and
education of women about the abortion risks and development of her unborn
child. The Freedom of Choice act would require taxpayer funding of abortion
and make partial birth abortion legal again.
3. A pro-choice president would sponsor a bill for elimination of the Hyde
Amendment, and thus force all taxpayers to bear the costs of free abortions
for the poor. The Hyde Amendment has protected federal taxpayers from being
forced to fund abortions through Medicaid.
4. A pro-choice president would include abortion as a "covered procedure" in
any national health care insurance plan making abortions more readily
available and forcing taxpayers to fund them.
5. A pro-choice president would require all medical schools to train doctors
to perform abortions and force doctors to perform abortions regardless of
their personal moral or religious beliefs or convictions.
6. A pro-choice president would likely issue an Executive Order (probably on
his first day in office as did President Clinton) eliminating the Mexico
City policy. The Mexico City policy bars US foreign aid money from being
given to organizations or companies that perform or promote abortion
overseas.
7. A pro-choice president would restore funding for UNFPA (United Nations
Population Fund) which provided millions of dollars of funding for abortions
and forced sterilizations in many Third World countries and China.
8. A pro-choice president would remove the current restriction prohibiting
use of US Defense Budget monies on abortions for military personnel.
9. A pro-choice president would lead the way to the repeal of the ban on
partial-birth abortions, where a baby's skull is stabbed with scissors in
the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and
ease passage of the corpse into the pan. Obama co-sponsored S. 1173 making
partial birth abortion legal again.
10. A pro-choice president could overturn the Born-Alive Infants Protection
Act. The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was a law passed by the United
States Congress in 2002. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive
after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed into law on August
5, 2002 by President Bush.
Sounds like good reasons to vote for Obama, and good reasons to vote
against McSame and Pallid. Those are all positive things that can
happen.

Mark Sebree
(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
2008-10-30 23:32:36 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:24:31 -0500,
"Kathleen Miller" <***@typepad.com> wrote:


[[[ Some CRAP changed in the commentary below (properly enclosed
in brackets where HONEST terminology is substituted), and with
<snip> notations where appropriate. ]]]
The top ten things that would happen if we elect a pro-choice president on
1. Roe v. Wade [could] exist for at least another 30 to 40 years by the US
Supreme Court appointments he makes. The next president will make at least
one, and probably two US Supreme Court appointments. If elected to a second
term, he could make as many as six appointments. The average Supreme Court
Justice serves 23 years. Because the next two justices that are likely to
retire are both [PRO-Choice], [an ANTI-Choice] president could position the
courts to overturn Roe V. Wade in the next few years.
Which we must AVOID at all costs!!

See:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html

http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
2. The "Freedom of Choice Act" would override all state laws regarding
abortion and eliminate 35 years of laws that have reduced abortions in the
USA.
BRAVO!!! The sooner, the better!! However, sufficient urgency to pass
that probably will not be generated unless and until Roe vs. Wade should
be reversed. So in the absence of a "Freedom of Choice Amendment," we
need to work harder than ever to REPEAL the repressively-restrictive laws,
state-by-state.
Obama co-sponsored the Freedom of Choice Act (S. 1173)...
GOOD for Obama!!!
...and would make passing it one of his "first priorities as president".
I'd love to see him do that!!
It would eliminate parental notification laws, 24-hour waiting period for
abortions...
Excellent!! A parent who would FORCE their daughter to gestate to
term could WRECK her life and destroy countless of her future opportun-
ities, permanently. Every girl who thinks that threat could apply to them
should have the opportunity to get abortion WITHOUT their parents'
knowledge.
... education of women about the abortion risks.
Risks are practically nonexistent, and most clinics already advise
with respect to that.

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The Freedom of Choice act would require taxpayer funding of abortion.
Wrong!! Scare tactic!! NO Constitutional Amendment has funding
provisions. Nor would this one.
...and make partial birth abortion legal again.
There's never BEEN any such thing as "partial-birth abortion." That
which again would be legal (and should NEVER have been banned) is the
ID&E procedure, which is a MID-term procedure... typically done about
4½ MONTHS **before** birth would normally. BY which time, it usually
is performed as a result of a medical emergency (since women typically
don't wait that long to have an elective abortion), and often is the
SAFEST one for her. The RRR Cult has done nothing but spew LIES
about this valuable procedure. The sooner the ban is repealed, the
better!
3. A pro-choice president would sponsor a bill for elimination of the Hyde
Amendment, and thus force all taxpayers to bear the costs of free abortions
for the poor. The Hyde Amendment has protected federal taxpayers from
being forced to fund abortions through Medicaid.
In other words, "let's once again be HATEFUL to the POOR."

Typical THUGGERY by the RRR Cult louts.
4. A pro-choice president would include abortion as a "covered procedure"
in any national health care insurance plan making abortions more readily
available and forcing taxpayers to fund them.
Abortion IS a medical procedure and a valuable REMEDY for an
undesirable medical condition, for all who want it. It should be given
the same treatment as all OTHER medical procedures.
5. A pro-choice president would require all medical schools to train doctors
to perform abortions and force doctors to perform abortions regardless of
their personal moral or religious beliefs or convictions.
Probably NOT. (But I would LOVE to see that happen!!)
6. A pro-choice president would likely issue an Executive Order (probably
on his first day in office as did President Clinton) eliminating the Mexico
City policy. The Mexico City policy bars US foreign aid money from being
given to organizations or companies that perform or promote abortion
overseas.
That HATEFULNESS can't be reversed SOON enough!
7. A pro-choice president would restore funding for UNFPA (United Nations
Population Fund) which provided millions of dollars of funding for abortions
and forced sterilizations in many Third World countries and China.
If we're going to give funds to the UN at all, there's hardly a BETTER
way to direct it. Poverty is one of the world's worst problems.
8. A pro-choice president would remove the current restriction prohibiting
use of US Defense Budget monies on abortions for military personnel.
Probably. Since those restrictions should NEVER have been implemented!
9. A pro-choice president would lead the way to the repeal of the ban on
[ID&E abortion]. ... Obama co-sponsored S. 1173 making [ID&E abortion]
legal again.
KUDOS to Obama for being compassionate!!
10. A pro-choice president could overturn the Born-Alive Infants Protection
Act. The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was a law passed by the United
States Congress in 2002. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive
after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed into law on August
5, 2002 by President Bush.
Relatively harmless, since that almost never happens anyway.

THANKS for giving us all of those excellent reasons for ELECTING Obama!

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