Condoleezza Rice Spanks Misinformed Student Regarding Enhanced Interrogation

[MioMyo]

Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

[M***@silent.com]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 04:46:11 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

How does rice "school" anyone when, in 8 years, she did
absolutely NOTHING remarkable as SecState?

[MioMyo]

How could anyone ever expect for you to know or learn for that matter, when
you delete your educational material, an act tantamount to book burning.

Here try learning something for a changing instead of just mindlessly
spewing liberal nonsense.

Education restored below:

http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Post by M***@silent.com
On Fri, 1 May 2009 04:46:11 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

How does rice "school" anyone when, in 8 years, she did
absolutely NOTHING remarkable as SecState?

[M***@silent.com]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 06:32:53 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
How could anyone ever expect for you to know or learn for that matter, when
you delete your educational material, an act tantamount to book burning.

You can't name anything she ever did as SecState that
was remarkable.

She was hired because she was black, was willing to
keep the Cheney/Bush line, and not make waves.

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Fri, 1 May 2009 06:32:53 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
How could anyone ever expect for you to know or learn for that matter, when
you delete your educational material, an act tantamount to book burning.

You can't name anything she ever did as SecState that
was remarkable.

Well she certainly represented the US with much more dignity, grace &
integrity and did not make the gaffes that Clinton has so far in her first
100-days.

Plus Condi definitely understood her cultural graces unlike Clinton.

Post by M***@silent.com
She was hired because she was black, was willing to

You can't come close to proving that claim, plus look at Condi's educational
& international credentials. Also, she's miles ahead of Clinton. Besides
Clinton was put there for purely political reasons, not that she would be
the best for the job as the links below prove with all her gaffes in such a
short span.

Furthermore the bald truth is bamby was hired in his job because he's black,
and that's an indisputable fact!

Another imbecilic cultural gaffe by this administration was the retarded
first lady when she put her hands all over the queen, not to mention bamby
bowing to the king's crouch in Saudi Arabia. Gawd, what a bunch of ignoramus
hillbillies this administration is......

Post by M***@silent.com
keep the Cheney/Bush line, and not make waves.

Clinton's gaffe's to date:

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/02/26/hillary-clintons-beijing-gaffe
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/30/Guadalupe-virgin-produces-Clinton-gaffe/UPI-62571238433098/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/03/06/gaffe-watch-hillary-tells-europeans-u-s-democracy-much-older-europe-s

How much more will the idiot embarrass the US? Probably not more than bamby!

[M***@silent.com]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 09:24:21 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
You can't name anything she ever did as SecState that
was remarkable.

Well she certainly represented the US with much more dignity, grace &
integrity and did not make the gaffes that Clinton has so far in her first
100-days.

By what measure?

She never did anything

You're "thinking" must be if she was just photo-op
use---then she did okay

Is that it?

[GO'Pailn Stank Tattooed4ever]

Post by M***@silent.com

Post by M***@silent.com
On Fri, 1 May 2009 09:24:21 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by M***@silent.com
You can't name anything she ever did as SecState that
was remarkable.

Well she certainly represented the US with much more dignity, grace &
integrity and did not make the gaffes that Clinton has so far in her first
100-days.

By what measure?
She never did anything

THEN got promoted - lol

Post by M***@silent.com
You're "thinking" must be if she was just photo-op use-then she did okay
Is that it?

[Bill Z.]

Post by GO'Pailn Stank Tattooed4ever

Post by M***@silent.com

Post by M***@silent.com
On Fri, 1 May 2009 09:24:21 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by M***@silent.com
You can't name anything she ever did as SecState that
was remarkable.

Well she certainly represented the US with much more dignity, grace &
integrity and did not make the gaffes that Clinton has so far in her first
100-days.

By what measure?
She never did anything

THEN got promoted - lol

So did Sir John Porter, rising to be the ruler of the queen's navy in
Gilbert and Sullivan's H.M.S. Pinafore. He started by polishing an
office door, always doing exactly what he was told, next getting into
Parliament, where he never thought for himself at all, and was
rewarded by being made the head of the admiralty.

Meanwhile, in real live just when Pinafore was the rage in London,
there was some guy who had risen to a high position in the British
navy by doing more or less just that. Once they realized how inept he
was, they tried to move him out of the office quietly. Unfortunately,
the press got wind of it a bit too soon and he was quickly dubbed
"Pinafore Smith". The queen was not amused. I'm sure Gilbert was.

Don't assume that "got promoted" necessarily implies competence,
particularly when a boss puts a very high premium on loyalty to him
above all else.

[MioMyo]

Post by MioMyo
Furthermore the bald truth is bamby was hired in his job because he's black,
and that's an indisputable fact!

You are a bald faced racist liar. You better hide, bitch. Don't even
think of slipping up. Not for a second. One of these days you will
slip up, tho. You're too stupid to stay in hiding.

So you think I deserve capital punishment for speaking the truth, eh
libtard?

Should I consider consider your little diatribe above a physical threat?

[MioMyo]

"Tim Crowley" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:545545e5-b6eb-4121-b0b2-***@z8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 6:52 am, "MioMyo" <***@Somewhere.com> wrote:

Just a few comments to your mouth foaming diatribe below, kunt.

You're the racist here, bitch.

Plus, I don't hide, but I don't live according to your convoluted definition
of "hiding."

And if you, yourself are truly posting under your real name, bitch, then
prove it.

Post your identification for verification.

Also, why do you always run & hide from arguments?

Why can't you defend your accusations with evidence?

Why can you never rise to an adult challenge and man-up with proof of your
claims?

Why do you think liberal posters are not hiding when they use nyms while
those you disagree with (conservative posters) are?

Why can't you see what a hypocrite you yourself are?

Why are you a racist? You call everyone who disagrees with you one, so that
is obviously an obsession of yours which proves in and of itself that you
are a racist. You see the entire world first and foremost according to race.
If I am against you or disagree with you, you label me racist; if I agree
with you you give me a pass.

How typically close-minded..... aka liberal of you tard.....

hide, bitch. You've never, spoken the truth. You spam radical,
racist lies. The fact s you KNOW your life would be ruined if you
publicly say what you say here while hiding under your sheet. Your
in America, bitch. We know what to do with traitors. You don't have
to worry tho. You will never, ever find the courage of your
convictions to come out of hiding. You're a frightened little girl
and a racist liar. Hide, just remember you always have to hide.

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 06:49:21 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Just a few comments to your mouth foaming diatribe below, kunt.
You're the racist here, bitch.

BWHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Because a dumb twit like you says so?

[MioMyo]

Post by MioMyo
Just a few comments to your mouth foaming diatribe below, kunt.
You're the racist here, bitch.
Plus, I don't hide, but I don't live according to your convoluted definition
of "hiding."
And if you, yourself are truly posting under your real name, bitch, then
prove it.

<2769 NW 80th Seattle wa. Prove it yourself. Of course we both know
<that you're too fucking frightened to ever come out of hiding.

You're not the only asshole kunt who lives at that flop-house.

<hint: hide bitch. it's really all you can do. Like most racists, you
<are at heart a coward.

Actually, you cowardly are the racist and coward. You never back your play
except with mouth frothing vitriol.

[M***@silent.com]

On Tue, 5 May 2009 04:05:34 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Actually, you cowardly are the racist and coward. You never back your play
except with mouth frothing vitriol.

The GOP platform is racist

Since dizzy loonytarians have nothing, represent no
one, that leaves you to embrace the GOP.

[MioMyo]

Post by MioMyo
How could anyone ever expect for you to know or learn for that matter, when
you delete your educational material, an act tantamount to book burning.
Here try learning something for a changing instead of just mindlessly
spewing liberal nonsense.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Post by M***@silent.com
On Fri, 1 May 2009 04:46:11 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

How does rice "school" anyone when, in 8 years, she did
absolutely NOTHING remarkable as SecState?

Condi Rice LOL! next head of the Rpuglican party
==================================
Rice, block runner for the republican wing at the Federal Prison at Gitmo.

<Maybe Rice can get a job in the prison kitchen when she is locked-up
<after being found guilty of war crimes. Many of Nixon's cronies served
<prison terms for MUCH less crimes...
<
<Rice was very subserviant to Bush and Cheney, but she did not get
<along with Massa Rummie...


Thanks for your usual Racist, Misogynist bit, libtard.

[Shascade Pride]

Post by MioMyo

Rice, block runner for the republican wing at the Federal Prison at Gitmo.

<Maybe Rice can get a job in the prison kitchen when she is locked-up
<after being found guilty of war crimes. Many of Nixon's cronies served
<prison terms for MUCH less crimes...
<
<Rice was very subserviant to Bush and Cheney, but she did not get
<along with Massa Rummie...
Thanks for your usual Racist, Misogynist bit, libtard.

Where's the 'racism'? Oh, you mean when Limbaugh said, "Get the bone out of
your nose".

[Juan O'Reilly]

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

[MioMyo]

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture. The same enhanced methods which a
number of dems including Pelosi and others were well aware of in 2002, but
kept their mouth shut until it appeared they could get political advantage
of by lying about their involvement in.

Here's the you tube video which frightens you so, you are compelled to
delete it.....

http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

[Juan O'Reilly]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture. The same enhanced methods which a
number of dems including Pelosi and others were well aware of in 2002, but
kept their mouth shut until it appeared they could get political advantage
of by lying about their involvement in.
Here's the you tube video which frightens you so, you are compelled to
delete it.....

You seem to want to Reaganize everything into black and white. That's a
sign of retardation.

[Glibb BeKKK]

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture. The same enhanced methods which a
number of dems including Pelosi and others were well aware of in 2002, but
kept their mouth shut until it appeared they could get political advantage
of by lying about their involvement in.
Here's the you tube video which frightens you so, you are compelled to
delete it.....

You seem to want to Reaganize everything into black and white. That's a
sign of retardation.

Closer to Nazism .. .. .

[MioMyo]

The ass kicking you tube video juan-boy wants to deny exist......

http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture. The same enhanced methods which
a number of dems including Pelosi and others were well aware of in 2002,
but kept their mouth shut until it appeared they could get political
advantage of by lying about their involvement in.
Here's the you tube video which frightens you so, you are compelled to
delete it.....

You seem to want to Reaganize everything into black and white. That's a
sign of retardation.

You seem to want to revise historical facts. That's the sign of a fascist

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

[Juan O'Reilly]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

Forget it. Even hot-air Hannity pussied out.

[MioMyo]

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

Forget it. Even hot-air Hannity pussied out.

How different would it be if I suggested you libtard morons be water-boarded
until you agreed with my ideological interpretation?

Or are you too big an ignoramus to see your own fascistic hypocrisy.

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

Forget it. Even hot-air Hannity pussied out.

How different would it be if I suggested you libtard morons be
water-boarded until you agreed with my ideological interpretation?
Or are you too big an ignoramus to see your own fascistic hypocrisy.

ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

BTW, while Hannity seems to have chickened out, I've used the same
argument in the past with some nuts who insisted that bicycle helmets
cause more harm than good or are useless at best, suggesting a simple
experiment - we hit them over the head with a two by four without a
helmet and compare that to someone wearing one, increasing the force
to see who decides enough is enough first. It's not like I'd expect
anyone to agree to it - it just makes the obvious a bit more obvious.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

Forget it. Even hot-air Hannity pussied out.

How different would it be if I suggested you libtard morons be
water-boarded until you agreed with my ideological interpretation?
Or are you too big an ignoramus to see your own fascistic hypocrisy.

ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002. Seems as
though bamby has a different interpretation, SOOOOOOOO...........

But in typical libtard fashion, you morons think it acceptable to coerce
others to agree with you....

So much for Freedom for Political thought of Freedom to descent in your
libtard Fascist utopia......

Post by Bill Z.
BTW, while Hannity seems to have chickened out, I've used the same
argument in the past with some nuts who insisted that bicycle helmets
cause more harm than good or are useless at best, suggesting a simple
experiment - we hit them over the head with a two by four without a
helmet and compare that to someone wearing one, increasing the force
to see who decides enough is enough first. It's not like I'd expect
anyone to agree to it - it just makes the obvious a bit more obvious.

An obtuse, ignoramus apples to oranges analogy libtard. But I would expect
no less from a libtard who was already proven to be analytically challenged
like you...........

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

Forget it. Even hot-air Hannity pussied out.

How different would it be if I suggested you libtard morons be
water-boarded until you agreed with my ideological interpretation?
Or are you too big an ignoramus to see your own fascistic hypocrisy.

ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002. Seems
as though bamby has a different interpretation, SOOOOOOOO...........

Well, then let's try the experiment that was suggested with you as the
test subject and see if you will say it is torture purely to get it to
stop. That seems like a reasonable empirical test: if it gets you to
say something you believe is not true, then it should qualify as
torture.

We aren't talking about legal definitions, but what was actually being
done by people.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
BTW, while Hannity seems to have chickened out, I've used the same
argument in the past with some nuts who insisted that bicycle helmets
cause more harm than good or are useless at best, suggesting a simple
experiment - we hit them over the head with a two by four without a
helmet and compare that to someone wearing one, increasing the force
to see who decides enough is enough first. It's not like I'd expect
anyone to agree to it - it just makes the obvious a bit more obvious.

An obtuse, ignoramus apples to oranges analogy libtard. But I would
expect no less from a libtard who was already proven to be
analytically challenged like you...........

You seem to be a throwback to the Middle Ages, where a student,
listening to two scholars debate how many teeth a horse had (due to
not being able to find the answer in any of Aristotle's writings), was
supposedly expelled for suggesting that they look into the mouth
of a horse and count.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

Forget it. Even hot-air Hannity pussied out.

How different would it be if I suggested you libtard morons be
water-boarded until you agreed with my ideological interpretation?
Or are you too big an ignoramus to see your own fascistic hypocrisy.

ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002. Seems
as though bamby has a different interpretation, SOOOOOOOO...........

Well, then let's try the experiment that was suggested with you as the
test subject and see if you will say it is torture purely to get it to
stop.

Experiment my ass, your suggestion is nothing less than coreced manipulation
because you F-E-E-L that, is first of all, your way avenue for a winning
argument and second of all typical of your llibtard fascism......

Post by Bill Z.
That seems like a reasonable empirical test: if it gets you to

Reasonable to a tyrant such as yourself who can't articulate a winning point
otherwise.

Saddam also won arguments by coercing his opponents in a meat grinder.

Post by Bill Z.
say something you believe is not true, then it should qualify as
torture.
We aren't talking about legal definitions, but what was actually being
done by people.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
BTW, while Hannity seems to have chickened out, I've used the same
argument in the past with some nuts who insisted that bicycle helmets
cause more harm than good or are useless at best, suggesting a simple
experiment - we hit them over the head with a two by four without a
helmet and compare that to someone wearing one, increasing the force
to see who decides enough is enough first. It's not like I'd expect
anyone to agree to it - it just makes the obvious a bit more obvious.

An obtuse, ignoramus apples to oranges analogy libtard. But I would
expect no less from a libtard who was already proven to be
analytically challenged like you...........

You seem to be a throwback to the Middle Ages, where a student,
listening to two scholars debate how many teeth a horse had (due to
not being able to find the answer in any of Aristotle's writings), was
supposedly expelled for suggesting that they look into the mouth
of a horse and count.

And you seem to be a intellectually challenged pompous ass whose arrogance
is only exceeded by self indulgent narcissism.

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Well, then let's try the experiment that was suggested with you as the
test subject and see if you will say it is torture purely to get it to
stop.

Experiment my ass, your suggestion is nothing less than coreced
manipulation because you F-E-E-L that, is first of all, your way
avenue for a winning argument and second of all typical of your
llibtard fascism......

Post by Bill Z.
That seems like a reasonable empirical test: if it gets you to

Reasonable to a tyrant such as yourself who can't articulate a winning
point otherwise.

ROTFLMAO. The troll is pretending that *suggesting* an experiment whose
outcome is obvious is tyranny. How pathetic, and how typical of these
right-wing loons.

BTW, Here's an interesting video for you to watch, so you can see
exactly what waterboarding is (done with safety precautions so the
test subject could have it stopped instantly, and that didn't take
very long):

Now ask what 180 times per month is.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You seem to be a throwback to the Middle Ages, where a student,
listening to two scholars debate how many teeth a horse had (due to
not being able to find the answer in any of Aristotle's writings), was
supposedly expelled for suggesting that they look into the mouth
of a horse and count.

And you seem to be a intellectually challenged pompous ass whose
arrogance is only exceeded by self indulgent narcissism.

Oooooh. The baggage is pretending to have wounded feelings after
posting insult after insult and lie after lie.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Well, then let's try the experiment that was suggested with you as the
test subject and see if you will say it is torture purely to get it to
stop.

Experiment my ass, your suggestion is nothing less than coreced
manipulation because you F-E-E-L that, is first of all, your way
avenue for a winning argument and second of all typical of your
llibtard fascism......

Post by Bill Z.
That seems like a reasonable empirical test: if it gets you to

Reasonable to a tyrant such as yourself who can't articulate a winning
point otherwise.

ROTFLMAO. The troll is pretending that *suggesting* an experiment whose
outcome is obvious is tyranny. How pathetic, and how typical of these
right-wing loons.

No, I'm stating that typical of a libtard-fascist, you being unable to
articulate a winning argument would go so far as coercion in a futile effort
to convince ONLY yourself of your own self-righteousness.

Post by Bill Z.
BTW, Here's an interesting video for you to watch, so you can see
exactly what waterboarding is (done with safety precautions so the
test subject could have it stopped instantly, and that didn't take
http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58

Rather tame as compared to the Nick Berg or Danny Perill beheading, would
you say, libtard?

Post by Bill Z.
Now ask what 180 times per month is.

Actually only on several occurences, but it's the NY Times that is counting
every time water is poured over the terrorist. That's like saying you got
butt-f_cked thousands of times after your one night at the gay bar when
having four fags bend you over the latrine.

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You seem to be a throwback to the Middle Ages, where a student,
listening to two scholars debate how many teeth a horse had (due to
not being able to find the answer in any of Aristotle's writings), was
supposedly expelled for suggesting that they look into the mouth
of a horse and count.

And you seem to be a intellectually challenged pompous ass whose
arrogance is only exceeded by self indulgent narcissism.

Oooooh. The baggage is pretending to have wounded feelings after
posting insult after insult and lie after lie.

I my speaking the truth really hurt you. I feel and love your pain. Expect
more.....

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
That seems like a reasonable empirical test: if it gets you to

Reasonable to a tyrant such as yourself who can't articulate a winning
point otherwise.

ROTFLMAO. The troll is pretending that *suggesting* an experiment whose
outcome is obvious is tyranny. How pathetic, and how typical of these
right-wing loons.

No, I'm stating that typical of a libtard-fascist, you being unable to
articulate a winning argument would go so far as coercion in a futile
effort to convince ONLY yourself of your own self-righteousness.

What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture. Yet, you seem to admit that it would qualify as a form
of coercion that you would not be able to resist. And you whine about
"tryants" at the mere suggestion with no attempt whatsoever to force
you to go along with it.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
BTW, Here's an interesting video for you to watch, so you can see
exactly what waterboarding is (done with safety precautions so the
test subject could have it stopped instantly, and that didn't take
http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58

Rather tame as compared to the Nick Berg or Danny Perill beheading,
would you say, libtard?

If you think it is so tame, then why are you whining about "tyrants"
at the mere suggestion that we try it on you as an experiment?

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Now ask what 180 times per month is.

Actually only on several occurences, but it's the NY Times that is
counting every time water is poured over the terrorist. That's like
saying you got butt-f_cked thousands of times after your one night at
the gay bar when having four fags bend you over the latrine.

Well, now we know another of your obsessions. Why am I not surprised?

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You seem to be a throwback to the Middle Ages, where a student,
listening to two scholars debate how many teeth a horse had (due to
not being able to find the answer in any of Aristotle's writings), was
supposedly expelled for suggesting that they look into the mouth
of a horse and count.

And you seem to be a intellectually challenged pompous ass whose
arrogance is only exceeded by self indulgent narcissism.

Oooooh. The baggage is pretending to have wounded feelings after
posting insult after insult and lie after lie.

I my speaking the truth really hurt you. I feel and love your
pain. Expect more.....

You are one of those people who value the truth so highly that they use it
sparingly.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
That seems like a reasonable empirical test: if it gets you to

Reasonable to a tyrant such as yourself who can't articulate a winning
point otherwise.

ROTFLMAO. The troll is pretending that *suggesting* an experiment whose
outcome is obvious is tyranny. How pathetic, and how typical of these
right-wing loons.

No, I'm stating that typical of a libtard-fascist, you being unable to
articulate a winning argument would go so far as coercion in a futile
effort to convince ONLY yourself of your own self-righteousness.

What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left. But
I can't wait for this administration's kangaroo dog-n-pony show trials when
they exact revenge against the Bush administration for protecting the
homeland.

Post by Bill Z.
Yet, you seem to admit that it would qualify as a form
of coercion that you would not be able to resist.

Maybe I could resist, maybe not. I think not, but coersion, via enhanced
interrogation techniques now seems to be your revisionist definition of
torture.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.....

Post by Bill Z.
And you whine about
"tryants" at the mere suggestion with no attempt whatsoever to force
you to go along with it.

Do you also think harsh language or putting panties on the heads of
head-lopping terrorists is also torture?

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
BTW, Here's an interesting video for you to watch, so you can see
exactly what waterboarding is (done with safety precautions so the
test subject could have it stopped instantly, and that didn't take
http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58

Rather tame as compared to the Nick Berg or Danny Perill beheading,
would you say, libtard?

If you think it is so tame, then why are you whining about "tyrants"
at the mere suggestion that we try it on you as an experiment?

Why do yoy think it's necessary to waterboard someone in order to force them
to agree with you?

That is the question?

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Now ask what 180 times per month is.

Actually only on several occurences, but it's the NY Times that is
counting every time water is poured over the terrorist. That's like
saying you got butt-f_cked thousands of times after your one night at
the gay bar when having four fags bend you over the latrine.

Well, now we know another of your obsessions. Why am I not surprised?

Not an obsession, but I do acknowledge latrine queens such as yourself which
is why I stay away from gay bars.......

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You seem to be a throwback to the Middle Ages, where a student,
listening to two scholars debate how many teeth a horse had (due to
not being able to find the answer in any of Aristotle's writings), was
supposedly expelled for suggesting that they look into the mouth
of a horse and count.

And you seem to be a intellectually challenged pompous ass whose
arrogance is only exceeded by self indulgent narcissism.

Oooooh. The baggage is pretending to have wounded feelings after
posting insult after insult and lie after lie.

I my speaking the truth really hurt you. I feel and love your
pain. Expect more.....

You are one of those people who value the truth so highly that they use it
sparingly.

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

[Bill Z.]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would
respond to waterboarding. Perhaps he didn't like what he saw in the
video http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58
showing someone named Christopher Hitchens volunteeering to be
waterboarded as an experiment.

These loons whine about "the radical vengeful left" as they try to
justify torture (as long as someone else is the victim).

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.

That's just not true, tard and it doesn't matter how many times you whine
that it should be.

Post by Bill Z.
respond to waterboarding. Perhaps he didn't like what he saw in the
video http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58
showing someone named Christopher Hitchens volunteeering to be
waterboarded as an experiment.
These loons whine about "the radical vengeful left" as they try to
justify torture (as long as someone else is the victim).

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of
your opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed
interrogation.

What a bald-faced liar. A suggestion of an experimental test of a
hypothesis (which you declined to agree to for the obvious reason that
you know waterboarding is torture) is not "fascist coersion [sic]".

You are whining about coercion because you don't like the truth being
pointed out to you in ways that you cannot figure out how to deny.

Post by MioMyo
That's just not true, tard and it doesn't matter how many times you
whine that it should be.

Liar.

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:46:10 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.

"Fascist"??

He's not a rightwinger

YOU ARE.

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:46:10 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.

"Fascist"??
He's not a rightwinger
YOU ARE.

I find libtards like you pathetically laughable when you attempt to proclaim
that conservatism is tantamount to fascism. You may as well argue that only
whites can be racists.

Deny it as you always do but still fascism will remain to be a set of
ideological principles which the left embraces and employs more & more with
each passing day.

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 16:55:50 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:46:10 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.

"Fascist"??
He's not a rightwinger
YOU ARE.

I find libtards like you pathetically laughable when you attempt to proclaim
that conservatism is tantamount to fascism.

Fascism IS by definition a Conservative ideology, you
dumb motherfucker.

Post by MioMyo
You may as well argue that only
whites can be racists.

There is NO parallel racial slur today toward whites
that compares with "nigger" used to demean blacks

THere is NO parallel systematic historical record of
Whites ever being maltreated for generations in the
manner that slavery, JimCrow, Segregation,
discrimination, intimidation and outright vile behavior
whites did to blacks for 300 years.

Post by MioMyo
Deny it as you always do but still fascism will remain to be a set of
ideological principles which the left embraces and employs more & more with
each passing day.

The left is liberal and has nothing to do with economic
system

The Political behavior described by "rightwing" is
descriptive of conservative reactionary behavior
regardless of economic vehicle.

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 16:55:50 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:46:10 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.

"Fascist"??
He's not a rightwinger
YOU ARE.

I find libtards like you pathetically laughable when you attempt to proclaim
that conservatism is tantamount to fascism.

Fascism IS by definition a Conservative ideology, you
dumb motherfucker.

PROVE THAT CLAIM......

When you don't, then I will return bitch slap you with the accepted
definition PROVING YOU A LYING SCUMBAG.....

Post by M***@silent.com

Post by MioMyo
You may as well argue that only
whites can be racists.

There is NO parallel racial slur today toward whites
that compares with "nigger" used to demean blacks

You're dodging.....

Can people of color be racist? It's not a trick question tard.... either you
believe they can or you believe they can't.

In fact it would merely be your opinion libtard. Can you state it without
spinning & dodging?

Post by M***@silent.com
THere is NO parallel systematic historical record of
Whites ever being maltreated for generations in the
manner that slavery, JimCrow, Segregation,
discrimination, intimidation and outright vile behavior
whites did to blacks for 300 years.

Partly true but that's irrelevant to the question you are avoiding.......

The partly is, Blacks have enslaved blacks and in fact without that being
the case, the slave triangle trade would have never existed.

Still I digress, but you haven't answered whether people of color are and/or
can be racist.....

Post by M***@silent.com

Post by MioMyo
Deny it as you always do but still fascism will remain to be a set of
ideological principles which the left embraces and employs more & more with
each passing day.

The left is liberal and has nothing to do with economic
system
The Political behavior described by "rightwing" is
descriptive of conservative reactionary behavior
regardless of economic vehicle.

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:08:50 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
Fascism IS by definition a Conservative ideology, you
dumb motherfucker.

PROVE THAT CLAIM......

I refer you to common, accepted, historical, and/or all
intellectual discussion of that term

I don't need to "prove it"---you stupid shit

No more than I need to prove the earth is isn't flat

Just because you believe it is, only proves what a
dingbat you are.

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:08:50 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
Fascism IS by definition a Conservative ideology, you
dumb motherfucker.

PROVE THAT CLAIM......

I refer you to common, accepted, historical, and/or all
intellectual discussion of that term

That's cute, but you've never had an intellectual discussion in your life.

Post by M***@silent.com
I don't need to "prove it"---you stupid shit

That's right, you can be the LIAR we all know your are in the forst place.

Post by M***@silent.com
No more than I need to prove the earth is isn't flat

Logic is obviously a challenging subject for you. Your analogy bitch is
apples and oranges.

Post by M***@silent.com
Just because you believe it is, only proves what a
dingbat you are.

You prove that you can't back your play when challenged to do so....

[RichTravsky]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.
That's just not true, tard and it doesn't matter how many times you whine
that it should be.

Then why did we execute Japanese military personnel for doing it, tard?

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
respond to waterboarding. Perhaps he didn't like what he saw in the
video http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58
showing someone named Christopher Hitchens volunteeering to be
waterboarded as an experiment.
These loons whine about "the radical vengeful left" as they try to
justify torture (as long as someone else is the victim).

[kujebak]

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

What a bald-faced liar you are.  You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would

Furthermore, you insist your fascist coersion is conclusion proof of your
opinion that waterboarding is torture and not enhansed interrogation.
That's just not true, tard and it doesn't matter how many times you whine
that it should be.

Then why did we execute Japanese military personnel for doing it, tard?

Because they were doing it for the wrong fucking reason!
That's the whole problem with you, morons. You're incapable
of telling right from wrong.

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
respond to waterboarding.  Perhaps he didn't like what he saw in the
video http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58
showing someone named Christopher Hitchens volunteeering to be
waterboarded as an experiment.
These loons whine about "the radical vengeful left" as they try to
justify torture (as long as someone else is the victim).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 03 May 2009 08:29:35 -0700,

Post by Bill Z.

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:08:17 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
What a bald-faced liar you are. You are the one claiming waterboarding
isn't torture.

That's right, and it's being labeled that by the radical vengeful left.

And most of the civilized world

And "MioMyo", of course, tried to pretend he was being "coerced" when
I suggested that he volunteer for an experimient to see how he would
respond to waterboarding.

Well, he does like pussy-Hannity

[M***@silent.com]

On Sat, 2 May 2009 06:16:29 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002.

You stupid fuckwit

The ruling was by the regime that was doing it.

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sat, 2 May 2009 06:16:29 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002.

You stupid fuckwit
The ruling was by the regime that was doing it.

And the redefinition of enhanced interrogation techniques to now calling it
torture is an act by the persecuting, revengeful new administration in order
to placate the radical fascist left.

This milestone, I predict, if carried out to its ultimate political ends
will mark the beginning of the end of the lefts current power grab.

I only hope bamby pursues this unparalleled, draconian witch hunt exacting
revenge via a kangaroo trial against an outgoing opposition-party
administration, for policies used to protect the country- policies which you
& your radical cohort fascists disagree with.......

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:20:56 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sat, 2 May 2009 06:16:29 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002.

You stupid fuckwit
The ruling was by the regime that was doing it.

And the redefinition of enhanced interrogation techniques to now calling it
torture is an act by the persecuting, revengeful new administration in order
to placate the radical fascist left.

Bush changed the act of torture into "advanced
interrogation techniques"---then ruled it was legal
because he said it was.

Fascism is a rightwing ideology

Liberalism can be connected directly with capitalism as
well as American conservatism

Nazism, Fascism, Communism and Socialism can be (and
were) controlled by RIGHTWING Despots and Totalitatians
using both Capitalism and Socialsm as ECONOMIC
vehicles.

Economics is independent of Political ideology you
mushbrained dolt

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 07:20:56 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sat, 2 May 2009 06:16:29 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
ROTFLMAO - you are the ones denying that it is torture. Guess you
don't like the obvious being pointed out to you.

That's right I am and that was the legal interpretation in 2002.

You stupid fuckwit
The ruling was by the regime that was doing it.

And the redefinition of enhanced interrogation techniques to now calling it
torture is an act by the persecuting, revengeful new administration in order
to placate the radical fascist left.

Bush changed the act of torture into "advanced
interrogation techniques"---then ruled it was legal
because he said it was.
Fascism is a rightwing ideology
Liberalism can be connected directly with capitalism as
well as American conservatism
Nazism, Fascism, Communism and Socialism can be (and
were) controlled by RIGHTWING Despots and Totalitatians
using both Capitalism and Socialsm as ECONOMIC
vehicles.

Your bald face lying ignorance is unbelievable tard. I'll just leave you to
live out your pitiful existence believing that up is down and left is
right.....

Post by M***@silent.com
Economics is independent of Political ideology you
mushbrained dolt

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 16:59:06 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
Nazism, Fascism, Communism and Socialism can be (and
were) controlled by RIGHTWING Despots and Totalitatians
using both Capitalism and Socialsm as ECONOMIC
vehicles.

Your bald face lying ignorance is unbelievable tard. I'll just leave you to
live out your pitiful existence believing that up is down and left is
right.....
=============================================================================

CONSERVATIVE (k…n-sûr“v…-t¹v) adj. 1. Favoring
traditional views and values;
tending to oppose change.

RIGHTWING: n. 1. The conservative or reactionary
faction of a group.
2. See right. --right“-wing“ (rºt“w¹ng“) adj.
--right“-wing“er n.


Glad to whack you again.

[MioMyo]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative

Main Entry: 1con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: \k?n-'s?r-v?-tiv\
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1: preservative
2 a: of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism bcapitalized : of or
constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: as
(1): of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of
established institutions (2): progressive conservative
3 a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or
institutions : traditional b: marked by moderation or caution <a
conservative estimate> c: marked by or relating to traditional norms of
taste, elegance, style, or manners
4: of, relating to, or practicing Conservative Judaism
- con·ser·va·tive·ly adverb
- con·ser·va·tive·ness noun

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 16:59:06 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
Nazism, Fascism, Communism and Socialism can be (and
were) controlled by RIGHTWING Despots and Totalitatians
using both Capitalism and Socialsm as ECONOMIC
vehicles.

Your bald face lying ignorance is unbelievable tard. I'll just leave you to
live out your pitiful existence believing that up is down and left is
right.....
=============================================================================

Your source is? Mine is above.

But if you really want to educate yourself, see link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

Nah... I doubt you do............

Post by M***@silent.com
CONSERVATIVE (k.n-sûr"v.-t¹v) adj. 1. Favoring
traditional views and values;
tending to oppose change.
RIGHTWING: n. 1. The conservative or reactionary
faction of a group.
2. See right. --right"-wing" (rºt"w¹ng") adj.
--right"-wing"er n.
Glad to whack you again.

Hadn't happened yet, tard..........

[M***@silent.com]

On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:18:26 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
3 a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or
institutions : traditional b: marked by moderation or caution <a
conservative estimate> c: marked by or relating to traditional norms of
taste, elegance, style, or manners

The "existing views" were: Slavery, Elitism, Jim Crow,
segregation, Antebellum social norms, loonytarian views
of government, unregulated power and wealth of
corporatons and individuals

Conservatism, since the mid 19th century fought EVERY
major policy, program or social agenda that addressed:
Child labor, Womens rights, voting rights, old age
povery, workers rights, civil rights, childrens rights,
fairness, discrimination etc, etc.

[MioMyo]

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:18:26 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
3 a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or
institutions : traditional b: marked by moderation or caution <a
conservative estimate> c: marked by or relating to traditional norms of
taste, elegance, style, or manners

The "existing views" were: Slavery, Elitism, Jim Crow,
segregation, Antebellum social norms, loonytarian views
of government, unregulated power and wealth of
corporatons and individuals
Conservatism, since the mid 19th century fought EVERY
Child labor, Womens rights, voting rights, old age
povery, workers rights, civil rights, childrens rights,
fairness, discrimination etc, etc.

You ignoramus dolt. First of all you're in the wrong century; however, in
the 19th century Abe Lincoln (Republican) while in the 20th century, it was
a majority of Republicans that passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Check it out for yourself moron..........

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:18:26 -0700, "MioMyo"
Conservatism, since the mid 19th century fought EVERY
Child labor, Womens rights, voting rights, old age
povery, workers rights, civil rights, childrens rights,
fairness, discrimination etc, etc.

You ignoramus dolt. First of all you're in the wrong century; however,
in the 19th century Abe Lincoln (Republican) while in the 20th
century, it was a majority of Republicans that passed the Civil Rights
Act of 1964.
Check it out for yourself moron..........

1964 was before the "Conservatives" took over the Republican Party
(many of the people who called themselves conservatives back then
would be appalled at what the term means today). 18 Southern
Democrats had been filibustering the bill, and its passage depended
on bi-partisan support from all the others.

Then in 1968, Richard Nixon introduced what was called "the southern
strategy" where they basically blamed the Democrats for the civil
rights legislation and exploited racial prejudices to get ahead.

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html>
has a quick overview of the details. It starts with the following statement:

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard
M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as
a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to
appeal to white southern voters.

When one wedge dulled, they would try to find another one, just as
Hollywood producers never (well, hardly ever) pass up a sequel for a
popular movie. It's been more or less downhill ever since.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:18:26 -0700, "MioMyo"
Conservatism, since the mid 19th century fought EVERY
Child labor, Womens rights, voting rights, old age
povery, workers rights, civil rights, childrens rights,
fairness, discrimination etc, etc.

You ignoramus dolt. First of all you're in the wrong century; however,
in the 19th century Abe Lincoln (Republican) while in the 20th
century, it was a majority of Republicans that passed the Civil Rights
Act of 1964.
Check it out for yourself moron..........

1964 was before the "Conservatives" took over the Republican Party
(many of the people who called themselves conservatives back then
would be appalled at what the term means today). 18 Southern
Democrats had been filibustering the bill, and its passage depended
on bi-partisan support from all the others.

Well of course your argument would be Republicans were NOT Republicans when
they passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.....

Now for your follow up LIE maybe you can explain why Robert KKK Byrd until
recently because of shitting his diapers every where he goes WAS, STILL IS,
AND HAS BEEN A PARTY LEADER in your Racist Dembulb party. He, as you would
prefer to forget and/or ignore FILIBUSTERED the legislation for how
long?????

Hell, I bet he still carries his KKK card in his back pocket right along
side of that little constitution booklet he shits on everyday.....

Post by Bill Z.
Then in 1968, Richard Nixon introduced what was called "the southern
strategy" where they basically blamed the Democrats for the civil
rights legislation and exploited racial prejudices to get ahead.
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html>
It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard
M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as
a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to
appeal to white southern voters.
When one wedge dulled, they would try to find another one, just as
Hollywood producers never (well, hardly ever) pass up a sequel for a
popular movie. It's been more or less downhill ever since.

[M***@silent.com]

On Wed, 6 May 2009 05:05:59 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
1964 was before the "Conservatives" took over the Republican Party
(many of the people who called themselves conservatives back then
would be appalled at what the term means today). 18 Southern
Democrats had been filibustering the bill, and its passage depended
on bi-partisan support from all the others.

Well of course your argument would be Republicans were NOT Republicans when
they passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.....

There you go again

The issue is what IDEOLOGY did those who supported the
Civil Rights act have.

You think southern conservatives did?

Post by MioMyo
Now for your follow up LIE maybe you can explain why Robert KKK Byrd until
recently because of shitting his diapers every where he goes

By "Shitting his diapers"---do you mean voting for all
subsequent civil rights issues?

Post by MioMyo
Hell, I bet he still carries his KKK card in his back pocket right along
side of that little constitution booklet he shits on everyday.....

Based on what evidence?

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by M***@silent.com
Conservatism, since the mid 19th century fought EVERY
Child labor, Womens rights, voting rights, old age
povery, workers rights, civil rights, childrens rights,
fairness, discrimination etc, etc.

You ignoramus dolt. First of all you're in the wrong century; however,
in the 19th century Abe Lincoln (Republican) while in the 20th
century, it was a majority of Republicans that passed the Civil Rights
Act of 1964.
Check it out for yourself moron..........

1964 was before the "Conservatives" took over the Republican Party
(many of the people who called themselves conservatives back then
would be appalled at what the term means today). 18 Southern
Democrats had been filibustering the bill, and its passage depended
on bi-partisan support from all the others.

Well of course your argument would be Republicans were NOT Republicans
when they passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.....

Hey moron, what I posted is a historical fact, and your spin on the
statement is a lie.

Post by MioMyo
Now for your follow up LIE maybe you can explain why Robert KKK Byrd
until recently because of shitting his diapers every where he goes
WAS, STILL IS, AND HAS BEEN A PARTY LEADER in your Racist Dembulb
party. He, as you would prefer to forget and/or ignore FILIBUSTERED
the legislation for how long?????

Calling the the truth a lie is just what I'd expect from a slimeball
like you. As to Bryd, he's been in the Senate for a long time, is not
in the KKK (he joined it when he was 24 and dropped out a few years
later). In 1997, he said, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't
get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake,
you inhibit your operations in the political arena." He also stated,
"was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature
outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan
could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions." Citation:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Participation_in_the_Ku_Klux_Klan>.

Post by MioMyo
Hell, I bet he still carries his KKK card in his back pocket right
along side of that little constitution booklet he shits on
everyday.....

See above. Even trivial fact checking is beyond you.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Then in 1968, Richard Nixon introduced what was called "the southern
strategy" where they basically blamed the Democrats for the civil
rights legislation and exploited racial prejudices to get ahead.
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html>
It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard
M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as
a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to
appeal to white southern voters.
When one wedge dulled, they would try to find another one, just as
Hollywood producers never (well, hardly ever) pass up a sequel for a
popular movie. It's been more or less downhill ever since.

(Note how he has no response to that).

[MioMyo]

I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you failed to
prove your man-made global warming claim in that other thread, lib. Good
cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to teaching liberals an ass
kicking lesson.

First though here's the you tube link you tards are running from which is
why you delete it when reposting.

http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Juan O'Reilly

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only
spout liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the
facts.

I noticed Condi implicate herself in the Bush Torture Scandal.

You must be referring to the enhanced interrogation methods which the
radical left is trying to call torture.

Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

How desperately liberal & also fascist of you that you would water boarding
your political challengers in order to force them into agreeing with your
onerous ideology.

Nonetheless, I can tell you this, I'd sooner be water boarded that have my
head lopped off or be thrown in a meat grinder like Saddam did to his
people.

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo
I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you
failed to prove your man-made global warming claim in that other
thread, lib. Good cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to
teaching liberals an ass kicking lesson.

Liar. All you did was to show your complete and utter ignorance
of the laws of physics. In fact, you reveled in your ignorance,
thus proving yourself to be a moron. Like most loons, you simply
tried to declare victory after you realized that you had no real
answer.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

How desperately liberal & also fascist of you that you would water
boarding your political challengers in order to force them into
agreeing with your onerous ideology.

ROTFLMAO. If we did the experiment, you could have it cut short with
not one drop of water touching your pretty little head under the
procedure suggested. What you really object to is obvious - you
know it is torture and don't want to admit it.

Post by MioMyo
Nonetheless, I can tell you this, I'd sooner be water boarded that
have my head lopped off or be thrown in a meat grinder like Saddam did
to his people.

You mean you believed the propaganda? They tortured people, but the
James Bond scenarios were probably fiction. They had people being
thrown into machinery used to grind plastic for use in a manufacturing
process. What's not realistic about it is that you'd then have to
clean the equipment. Why bother with that when there are very painful
ways of mistreating people that don't risk damaging expensive
equipment?

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you
failed to prove your man-made global warming claim in that other
thread, lib. Good cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to
teaching liberals an ass kicking lesson.

Liar. All you did was to show your complete and utter ignorance
of the laws of physics.

Wrong, you are the liar because after all your tireless cut-n-paste
citation, you nor your tech paste EVER made the case that global warming is
man-made.

Post by Bill Z.
In fact, you reveled in your ignorance,
thus proving yourself to be a moron. Like most loons, you simply
tried to declare victory after you realized that you had no real
answer.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
Well, we can try to answer that experimentally. Let's waterboard *you*
180 times over a month and allow you to cut the experiment short if you
admit that it is torture. Do we have a volunteer? :-)

How desperately liberal & also fascist of you that you would water
boarding your political challengers in order to force them into
agreeing with your onerous ideology.

ROTFLMAO. If we did the experiment, you could have it cut short with
not one drop of water touching your pretty little head under the
procedure suggested. What you really object to is obvious - you
know it is torture and don't want to admit it.

So you would consider this evidence of your political opinion, coercing a
political opponent to agree with you.

No one your party are now considered Liberal Fascists......

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Nonetheless, I can tell you this, I'd sooner be water boarded that
have my head lopped off or be thrown in a meat grinder like Saddam did
to his people.

You mean you believed the propaganda? They tortured people, but the

Propaganda, why because liberals now want to revise history and exact
revenge on the previous administration or anyone who may have supported
their defense of America against terrorism?

Post by Bill Z.
James Bond scenarios were probably fiction.

I would expect you to live in such a fantasy land, libtard....

Post by Bill Z.
They had people being
thrown into machinery used to grind plastic for use in a manufacturing
process. What's not realistic about it is that you'd then have to
clean the equipment. Why bother with that when there are very painful
ways of mistreating people that don't risk damaging expensive
equipment?

So you didn't know that Saddam would grind ALIVE his political opponents.
Why am I not surprised at your ignorance?

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you
failed to prove your man-made global warming claim in that other
thread, lib. Good cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to
teaching liberals an ass kicking lesson.

Liar. All you did was to show your complete and utter ignorance
of the laws of physics.

Wrong, you are the liar because after all your tireless cut-n-paste
citation, you nor your tech paste EVER made the case that global
warming is man-made.

No, you are a bald-faced lying slimeball. You have not been able
to prove your "cut and paste" lies because I wrote the text. Either
put up or be branded a bald-faced liar, which is just what you are:
a slimeball beneath contempt. If you want to claim it was copied
from somewhere, produce the original. That's not hard to do using
Google.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
How desperately liberal & also fascist of you that you would water
boarding your political challengers in order to force them into
agreeing with your onerous ideology.

ROTFLMAO. If we did the experiment, you could have it cut short with
not one drop of water touching your pretty little head under the
procedure suggested. What you really object to is obvious - you
know it is torture and don't want to admit it.

So you would consider this evidence of your political opinion,
coercing a political opponent to agree with you.

No, I'm simply pointing out what qualifies as torture. Apparently
you know that it is and simply don't want to admit it for political
reasons. Pretty pathetic, but then we know you are slime given
your lies above.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
They had people being thrown into machinery used to grind plastic
for use in a manufacturing process. What's not realistic about it
is that you'd then have to clean the equipment. Why bother with
that when there are very painful ways of mistreating people that
don't risk damaging expensive equipment?

So you didn't know that Saddam would grind ALIVE his political
opponents. Why am I not surprised at your ignorance?

Liar - as I clearly indicated, I knew that there were such allegations.
I also know that, when we invaded Iraq, the detention centers we
found were rather crude affairs. Saddam was a thug, not a James
Bond villain who would have someone slowly lowered into a tank full
of sharks, going to great expense to set that all up. Cheaper
ways of torturing people seemed to have been used instead.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you
failed to prove your man-made global warming claim in that other
thread, lib. Good cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to
teaching liberals an ass kicking lesson.

Liar. All you did was to show your complete and utter ignorance
of the laws of physics.

Wrong, you are the liar because after all your tireless cut-n-paste
citation, you nor your tech paste EVER made the case that global
warming is man-made.

No, you are a bald-faced lying slimeball. You have not been able
to prove your "cut and paste" lies because I wrote the text. Either
put up or be branded a bald-faced liar,

You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is man
made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.

But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the trees,
libtard.......

Post by Bill Z.
a slimeball beneath contempt. If you want to claim it was copied
from somewhere, produce the original. That's not hard to do using
Google.

You PROVE man-made global warming you pompous arrogant asshole. That's what
you were implying your esoteric prose was supposedly proof of...

So stay focus instead of trying to divert the point, moron.........

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
How desperately liberal & also fascist of you that you would water
boarding your political challengers in order to force them into
agreeing with your onerous ideology.

ROTFLMAO. If we did the experiment, you could have it cut short with
not one drop of water touching your pretty little head under the
procedure suggested. What you really object to is obvious - you
know it is torture and don't want to admit it.

So you would consider this evidence of your political opinion,
coercing a political opponent to agree with you.

No, I'm simply pointing out what qualifies as torture. Apparently

Just because bamby wants to revise the definition of enhanced interrogation
doews not make it so. I notice you isiots are running away from the fact
that these methods saved Americans lives. You are also running away from the
fact that Pelosi and other dems were aware of these practices, making them
co-conspirators. That the congressional record proves......

Post by Bill Z.
you know that it is and simply don't want to admit it for political
reasons.

Actually it's the radical left that is playing politics here. Look at how
Bush when in office left the past behind when he could have surely
prosecuted Sandy Burgular for sure along with others. But than again Bush is
miles ahead of the bamby administration when it comes to honor and
intregity......

Post by Bill Z.
Pretty pathetic, but then we know you are slime given
your lies above.

Indeed you are the poster boy of the pathetic brain-dead arrogant & vengeful
radical left.......

Congratulation on that.......

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
They had people being thrown into machinery used to grind plastic
for use in a manufacturing process. What's not realistic about it
is that you'd then have to clean the equipment. Why bother with
that when there are very painful ways of mistreating people that
don't risk damaging expensive equipment?

So you didn't know that Saddam would grind ALIVE his political
opponents. Why am I not surprised at your ignorance?

Liar - as I clearly indicated, I knew that there were such allegations.

No ALLEGATIONS.... FACT!

Rape rooms were another of Saddam's barbarous measures.....

Post by Bill Z.
I also know that, when we invaded Iraq, the detention centers we
found were rather crude affairs. Saddam was a thug, not a James
Bond villain who would have someone slowly lowered into a tank full
of sharks, going to great expense to set that all up. Cheaper
ways of torturing people seemed to have been used instead.

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you
failed to prove your man-made global warming claim in that other
thread, lib. Good cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to
teaching liberals an ass kicking lesson.

Liar. All you did was to show your complete and utter ignorance
of the laws of physics.

Wrong, you are the liar because after all your tireless cut-n-paste
citation, you nor your tech paste EVER made the case that global
warming is man-made.

No, you are a bald-faced lying slimeball. You have not been able
to prove your "cut and paste" lies because I wrote the text. Either
put up or be branded a bald-faced liar,

You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture, describing how various
gases results in a greenhouse effect that raises the temperature
of the atmosphere and the earth's surface.

There's obviously a man-made component as we are adding more of those
gases as a result of various industrial processes. The laws of physics,
however, don't "care" how the gases are added.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
a slimeball beneath contempt. If you want to claim it was copied
from somewhere, produce the original. That's not hard to do using
Google.

You PROVE man-made global warming you pompous arrogant asshole. That's
what you were implying your esoteric prose was supposedly proof of...

That "esoteric prose" as you call it was a description of basic physics.
That you consider it esoteric is an indication of the ignorance you
are obviously reveling in. You head in the sand attitude would be
comical if it weren't widespread enough that it has been preventing
us from dealing with serious problems before they become a crisis.

Post by MioMyo
So stay focus instead of trying to divert the point, moron.........

Take your own advise.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
No, I'm simply pointing out what qualifies as torture. Apparently

Just because bamby wants to revise the definition of enhanced
interrogation doews not make it so.

http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58 shows
in quite graphic terms that you are full of it.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
So you didn't know that Saddam would grind ALIVE his political
opponents. Why am I not surprised at your ignorance?

Liar - as I clearly indicated, I knew that there were such allegations.

No ALLEGATIONS.... FACT!

... no, allegations. Nobody discovered these facilities - it would
have been splashed all over the news if they had found them.

Post by MioMyo
Rape rooms were another of Saddam's barbarous measures.....

Exactly how do you determine that a room is a "rape room"? Does it
have a condom dispenser or something? If they did that, however, it
fits what I claimed - crude, low-budget ways of abusing people, not
some James Bond scenario of taking over a factory and grinding people
up in machinery that would not function properly if impurities (from
the standpoint of the manufacturing process) were added to the gizmo.

And are you really so daft as to believe that Saddam personally bothered
to approve the ways they tortured people? Don't be silly. He most
likely didn't care as long as they were getting the desired results.
He had more important things to worry about, like whether his generals
were acting out the Byzantine general problem.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
I also know that, when we invaded Iraq, the detention centers we
found were rather crude affairs. Saddam was a thug, not a James
Bond villain who would have someone slowly lowered into a tank full
of sharks, going to great expense to set that all up. Cheaper
ways of torturing people seemed to have been used instead.

No answer, I guess. :-)

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
I see you're back again after that ass kicking I gave you when you
failed to prove your man-made global warming claim in that other
thread, lib. Good cause I always enjoy seconds when it comes to
teaching liberals an ass kicking lesson.

Liar. All you did was to show your complete and utter ignorance
of the laws of physics.

Wrong, you are the liar because after all your tireless cut-n-paste
citation, you nor your tech paste EVER made the case that global
warming is man-made.

No, you are a bald-faced lying slimeball. You have not been able
to prove your "cut and paste" lies because I wrote the text. Either
put up or be branded a bald-faced liar,

You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture,

No you're lying once again. You wnet on bloviating and never provided
evidence regarding MAN-MADE global warming.

The fact of the matter is nature accounts for about 96% of the CO2 in the
atmosphere and any assertion that you proved that man is responsible is
pathelogically silly.

Post by Bill Z.
describing how various
gases results in a greenhouse effect that raises the temperature
of the atmosphere and the earth's surface.
There's obviously a man-made component as we are adding more of those
gases as a result of various industrial processes. The laws of physics,
however, don't "care" how the gases are added.

So where's your cause & effect proof. libtard?

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
a slimeball beneath contempt. If you want to claim it was copied
from somewhere, produce the original. That's not hard to do using
Google.

You PROVE man-made global warming you pompous arrogant asshole. That's
what you were implying your esoteric prose was supposedly proof of...

That "esoteric prose" as you call it was a description of basic physics.

Which was miles short of proving that man is responsible for global warming,
except to a moron like you.

Post by Bill Z.
That you consider it esoteric is an indication of the ignorance you
are obviously reveling in. You head in the sand attitude would be
comical if it weren't widespread enough that it has been preventing
us from dealing with serious problems before they become a crisis.

Post by MioMyo
So stay focus instead of trying to divert the point, moron.........

Take your own advise.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
No, I'm simply pointing out what qualifies as torture. Apparently

Just because bamby wants to revise the definition of enhanced
interrogation doews not make it so.

http://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58 shows
in quite graphic terms that you are full of it.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
So you didn't know that Saddam would grind ALIVE his political
opponents. Why am I not surprised at your ignorance?

Liar - as I clearly indicated, I knew that there were such allegations.

No ALLEGATIONS.... FACT!

... no, allegations. Nobody discovered these facilities - it would
have been splashed all over the news if they had found them.

Post by MioMyo
Rape rooms were another of Saddam's barbarous measures.....

Exactly how do you determine that a room is a "rape room"?

Because it's used to rape people.... Duhhhhhhhhhhhh.........

Post by Bill Z.
Does it
have a condom dispenser or something? If they did that, however, it
fits what I claimed - crude, low-budget ways of abusing people, not
some James Bond scenario of taking over a factory and grinding people
up in machinery that would not function properly if impurities (from
the standpoint of the manufacturing process) were added to the gizmo.
And are you really so daft as to believe that Saddam personally bothered
to approve the ways they tortured people?

Don't forget about his two sons.......

Post by Bill Z.
Don't be silly. He most
likely didn't care as long as they were getting the desired results.
He had more important things to worry about, like whether his generals
were acting out the Byzantine general problem.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
I also know that, when we invaded Iraq, the detention centers we
found were rather crude affairs. Saddam was a thug, not a James
Bond villain who would have someone slowly lowered into a tank full
of sharks, going to great expense to set that all up. Cheaper
ways of torturing people seemed to have been used instead.

No answer, I guess. :-)

Why respond to nonsense?

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture,

No you're lying once again. You wnet on bloviating and never provided
evidence regarding MAN-MADE global warming.

I did give you some evidence, and it is you who are lying.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
The fact of the matter is nature accounts for about 96% of the CO2 in

the atmosphere and any assertion that you proved that man is
responsible is pathelogically silly.

You mean you didn't know that C02 is not the only gas that has an
effect on it? :-) BUt if you admit that 4% of the CO2 in the
atmosphere is due to industrial activities, burning fossil
fuels for heat, to run cars, etc., then do you think that CO2
behaves any differently? With no global warming, the earth's
temperature would be around 245 K (about -28 Celsius). Everything
should be frozen. It's much warmer than that, and the temperature
increase the models suggest are due to human activity is from
1 to 6 degrees (Celsius) over the next century. The earth's
temperature (at the surface) is about 42 degrees Celsius higher
than it would be if the earth's atmosphere was completely transparent
to infrared radiation. That's due to the greenhouse effect.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
There's obviously a man-made component as we are adding more of those
gases as a result of various industrial processes. The laws of physics,
however, don't "care" how the gases are added.

So where's your cause & effect proof. libtard?

Are you really that dumb? Read the citations I gave you regarding
blackbody radiation if you want to understand it.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
That "esoteric prose" as you call it was a description of basic physics.

Which was miles short of proving that man is responsible for global
warming, except to a moron like you.

Rather, which proves exactly what I said it does. Your inability to
accept or understand physical laws is not relevant.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Rape rooms were another of Saddam's barbarous measures.....

Exactly how do you determine that a room is a "rape room"?

Because it's used to rape people.... Duhhhhhhhhhhhh.........

You rape people with a room? Seriously though, all you have are
allegations. You haven't provided one shred of evidence that a
particular room was used for that purpose. It's not like they
are going to put a sign on the door.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
And are you really so daft as to believe that Saddam personally bothered
to approve the ways they tortured people?

Don't forget about his two sons.......

You said, "Saddam".

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
I also know that, when we invaded Iraq, the detention centers we
found were rather crude affairs. Saddam was a thug, not a James
Bond villain who would have someone slowly lowered into a tank full
of sharks, going to great expense to set that all up. Cheaper
ways of torturing people seemed to have been used instead.

No answer, I guess. :-)

Why respond to nonsense?

You mean you have no valid point so you are calling the obvious
"nonsense". But at least you are indirectly admitting that the
statements I made about global warming were not nonsense, since you
did respond to them. :-)

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture,

No you're lying once again. You wnet on bloviating and never provided
evidence regarding MAN-MADE global warming.

I did give you some evidence, and it is you who are lying.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
The fact of the matter is nature accounts for about 96% of the CO2 in

the atmosphere and any assertion that you proved that man is
responsible is pathelogically silly.

You mean you didn't know that C02 is not the only gas that has an
effect on it? :-) BUt if you admit that 4% of the CO2 in the
atmosphere is due to industrial activities, burning fossil
fuels for heat, to run cars, etc., then do you think that CO2
behaves any differently? With no global warming, the earth's
temperature would be around 245 K (about -28 Celsius). Everything
should be frozen. It's much warmer than that, and the temperature
increase the models suggest are due to human activity is from
1 to 6 degrees (Celsius) over the next century. The earth's
temperature (at the surface) is about 42 degrees Celsius higher
than it would be if the earth's atmosphere was completely transparent
to infrared radiation. That's due to the greenhouse effect.

So since you're claiming man's CO2 contribution is the cause of global
warming, then PROVE IT.......

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
There's obviously a man-made component as we are adding more of those
gases as a result of various industrial processes. The laws of physics,
however, don't "care" how the gases are added.

So where's your cause & effect proof. libtard?

Are you really that dumb? Read the citations I gave you regarding
blackbody radiation if you want to understand it.

An elementary discussion of phyics is not EVIDENCE of your assertion that
man is responsible for global warming......

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
That "esoteric prose" as you call it was a description of basic physics.

Which was miles short of proving that man is responsible for global
warming, except to a moron like you.

Rather, which proves exactly what I said it does.

You really statted nothing at all except quoting some pysical phenomenons.
Any conclusion that man is responsible for global warming is lacking in your
argument, if that's what you call it.

Post by Bill Z.
Your inability to
accept or understand physical laws is not relevant.

Your bloviating arrogance making a claim which you have not provided
evidence of seems to be your stock & trade libtard.

Your kind of snake oil salesman were tarred & feathered and sent packing in
days gone by........

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Rape rooms were another of Saddam's barbarous measures.....

Exactly how do you determine that a room is a "rape room"?

Because it's used to rape people.... Duhhhhhhhhhhhh.........

You rape people with a room?

I can see I'm dealing with invincible ignorance with you- self induced or
not, the results of your moronic ignorance is still the same.......

Post by Bill Z.
Seriously though, all you have are
allegations. You haven't provided one shred of evidence that a
particular room was used for that purpose. It's not like they
are going to put a sign on the door.

I don't have evidence of the rape rooms, but the invading US forces,
probably the CIA does.

But you're probably one of those that also doesn't believe the US ever
landed on the moon because you don't have the tangible evidence yourself
they did.

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
And are you really so daft as to believe that Saddam personally bothered
to approve the ways they tortured people?

Don't forget about his two sons.......

You said, "Saddam".

A lot of people carried out Saddam's orders of sadistic torture. Whether or
not you accept or agree with that is irrelevant.

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
I also know that, when we invaded Iraq, the detention centers we
found were rather crude affairs. Saddam was a thug, not a James
Bond villain who would have someone slowly lowered into a tank full
of sharks, going to great expense to set that all up. Cheaper
ways of torturing people seemed to have been used instead.

No answer, I guess. :-)

Why respond to nonsense?

You mean you have no valid point so you are calling the obvious
"nonsense". But at least you are indirectly admitting that the
statements I made about global warming were not nonsense, since you
did respond to them. :-)

Actually, I'll make it simple even for a libtard like you.

I'm call you a BOLD-FACE LIAR........

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture,

No you're lying once again. You wnet on bloviating and never provided
evidence regarding MAN-MADE global warming.

I did give you some evidence, and it is you who are lying.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
The fact of the matter is nature accounts for about 96% of the CO2 in

the atmosphere and any assertion that you proved that man is
responsible is pathelogically silly.

You mean you didn't know that C02 is not the only gas that has an
effect on it? :-) BUt if you admit that 4% of the CO2 in the
atmosphere is due to industrial activities, burning fossil
fuels for heat, to run cars, etc., then do you think that CO2
behaves any differently? With no global warming, the earth's
temperature would be around 245 K (about -28 Celsius). Everything
should be frozen. It's much warmer than that, and the temperature
increase the models suggest are due to human activity is from
1 to 6 degrees (Celsius) over the next century. The earth's
temperature (at the surface) is about 42 degrees Celsius higher
than it would be if the earth's atmosphere was completely transparent
to infrared radiation. That's due to the greenhouse effect.

So since you're claiming man's CO2 contribution is the cause of global
warming, then PROVE IT.......

Sigh. Read the URLs I gave you, or the text I provided for you. You
put additional gasses such as CO2 into the atmosphere, and the temperature
on the earth's surface will rise as a result. The exact amount is
dependent on how the weather changes and the heat capacity of water
(which is what roughly 70 percent of the earth is covered by) slows the
rate at which you reach an equilibrium. None of that changes the
laws of nature.

You are in denial - you just posted a statement that 96% of the CO2 in
the atmosphere is from "natural" sources, which attributes 4% to
man-made sources. The increased temperature from that 4% alone (and
CO2 is not the only culprit) puts you in the 1 to 6 degree Celsius
increase predicted (the exact number is also dependent on how the
climate responds as that can change the earth's albedo.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You mean you have no valid point so you are calling the obvious
"nonsense". But at least you are indirectly admitting that the
statements I made about global warming were not nonsense, since you
did respond to them. :-)

Actually, I'll make it simple even for a libtard like you.
I'm call you a BOLD-FACE LIAR........

And a bald-faced liar is just what you are. You were caught
making accusations about "cut and paste" (i.e., plagerism) and
have yet to back them up. You were lying to cover up your ignorance,
but lying by making false accusations qualifies you as slime.

[Blue_Collar_Worker]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture,

No you're lying once again. You wnet on bloviating and never provided
evidence regarding MAN-MADE global warming.

I did give you some evidence, and it is you who are lying.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
The fact of the matter is nature accounts for about 96% of the CO2 in

the atmosphere and any assertion that you proved that man is
responsible is pathelogically silly.

You mean you didn't know that C02 is not the only gas that has an
effect on it? :-) BUt if you admit that 4% of the CO2 in the
atmosphere is due to industrial activities, burning fossil
fuels for heat, to run cars, etc., then do you think that CO2
behaves any differently? With no global warming, the earth's
temperature would be around 245 K (about -28 Celsius). Everything
should be frozen. It's much warmer than that, and the temperature
increase the models suggest are due to human activity is from
1 to 6 degrees (Celsius) over the next century. The earth's
temperature (at the surface) is about 42 degrees Celsius higher
than it would be if the earth's atmosphere was completely transparent
to infrared radiation. That's due to the greenhouse effect.

So since you're claiming man's CO2 contribution is the cause of global
warming, then PROVE IT.......

Sigh. Read the URLs I gave you, or the text I provided for you. You
put additional gasses such as CO2 into the atmosphere, and the temperature
on the earth's surface will rise as a result. The exact amount is
dependent on how the weather changes and the heat capacity of water
(which is what roughly 70 percent of the earth is covered by) slows the
rate at which you reach an equilibrium. None of that changes the
laws of nature.
You are in denial - you just posted a statement that 96% of the CO2 in
the atmosphere is from "natural" sources, which attributes 4% to
man-made sources. The increased temperature from that 4% alone (and
CO2 is not the only culprit) puts you in the 1 to 6 degree Celsius
increase predicted (the exact number is also dependent on how the
climate responds as that can change the earth's albedo.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You mean you have no valid point so you are calling the obvious
"nonsense". But at least you are indirectly admitting that the
statements I made about global warming were not nonsense, since you
did respond to them. :-)

Actually, I'll make it simple even for a libtard like you.
I'm call you a BOLD-FACE LIAR........

It's *calling,* and *bald-faced,* Needham you illiterate troll.

Post by Bill Z.
And a bald-faced liar is just what you are. You were caught
making accusations about "cut and paste" (i.e., plagerism) and
have yet to back them up. You were lying to cover up your ignorance,
but lying by making false accusations qualifies you as slime.

And his history under the name Needham is worse. All he has ever proven as a
Republican spokesman is that Republicans are sneaky lying scumbags, never to be
trusted.

[M***@silent.com]

On Mon, 4 May 2009 15:38:36 -0400, "Blue_Collar_Worker"

Post by Blue_Collar_Worker

Post by MioMyo
I'm call you a BOLD-FACE LIAR........

It's *calling,* and *bald-faced,* Needham you illiterate troll.

Are youi saying that's NEEDHAMLOON?

Gawd, I thought that poor fuckwit was long since made
to look foolish enough to hide.

[MioMyo]

Post by Blue_Collar_Worker

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
You have been unable to PROVE your assertion that global warming is
man made, something your cut-n-paste was supposedly evidence for.
But do go on blinding yourself from seeing the forest because of the
trees, libtard.......

Liar. I gave you a short physics lecture,

No you're lying once again. You wnet on bloviating and never provided
evidence regarding MAN-MADE global warming.

I did give you some evidence, and it is you who are lying.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
The fact of the matter is nature accounts for about 96% of the CO2 in

the atmosphere and any assertion that you proved that man is
responsible is pathelogically silly.

You mean you didn't know that C02 is not the only gas that has an
effect on it? :-) BUt if you admit that 4% of the CO2 in the
atmosphere is due to industrial activities, burning fossil
fuels for heat, to run cars, etc., then do you think that CO2
behaves any differently? With no global warming, the earth's
temperature would be around 245 K (about -28 Celsius). Everything
should be frozen. It's much warmer than that, and the temperature
increase the models suggest are due to human activity is from
1 to 6 degrees (Celsius) over the next century. The earth's
temperature (at the surface) is about 42 degrees Celsius higher
than it would be if the earth's atmosphere was completely transparent
to infrared radiation. That's due to the greenhouse effect.

So since you're claiming man's CO2 contribution is the cause of global
warming, then PROVE IT.......

Sigh. Read the URLs I gave you, or the text I provided for you. You
put additional gasses such as CO2 into the atmosphere, and the temperature
on the earth's surface will rise as a result. The exact amount is
dependent on how the weather changes and the heat capacity of water
(which is what roughly 70 percent of the earth is covered by) slows the
rate at which you reach an equilibrium. None of that changes the
laws of nature.
You are in denial - you just posted a statement that 96% of the CO2 in
the atmosphere is from "natural" sources, which attributes 4% to
man-made sources. The increased temperature from that 4% alone (and
CO2 is not the only culprit) puts you in the 1 to 6 degree Celsius
increase predicted (the exact number is also dependent on how the
climate responds as that can change the earth's albedo.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.
You mean you have no valid point so you are calling the obvious
"nonsense". But at least you are indirectly admitting that the
statements I made about global warming were not nonsense, since you
did respond to them. :-)

Actually, I'll make it simple even for a libtard like you.
I'm call you a BOLD-FACE LIAR........

It's *calling,* and *bald-faced,* Needham you illiterate troll.

Good for you. You're at least admitting billy's a LIAR...

Post by Blue_Collar_Worker

Post by Bill Z.
And a bald-faced liar is just what you are. You were caught
making accusations about "cut and paste" (i.e., plagerism) and
have yet to back them up. You were lying to cover up your ignorance,
but lying by making false accusations qualifies you as slime.

And his history under the name Needham is worse. All he has ever proven as
a Republican spokesman is that Republicans are sneaky lying scumbags,
never to be trusted.

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Blue_Collar_Worker

Post by Bill Z.
You are in denial - you just posted a statement that 96% of the CO2 in
the atmosphere is from "natural" sources, which attributes 4% to
man-made sources. The increased temperature from that 4% alone (and
CO2 is not the only culprit) puts you in the 1 to 6 degree Celsius
increase predicted (the exact number is also dependent on how the
climate responds as that can change the earth's albedo.

<snip>

Post by MioMyo

Post by Blue_Collar_Worker

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Actually, I'll make it simple even for a libtard like you.
I'm call you a BOLD-FACE LIAR........

It's *calling,* and *bald-faced,* Needham you illiterate troll.

Good for you. You're at least admitting billy's a LIAR...

No, he's stating that you were, shall we say, gramatically challenged,
and otherwise ignoring you. And the text you ignored below shows
that he was not commenting about me, so you lied again.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Blue_Collar_Worker

Post by Bill Z.
And a bald-faced liar is just what you are. You were caught
making accusations about "cut and paste" (i.e., plagerism) and
have yet to back them up. You were lying to cover up your ignorance,
but lying by making false accusations qualifies you as slime.

And his history under the name Needham is worse. All he has ever
proven as a Republican spokesman is that Republicans are sneaky
lying scumbags, never to be trusted.

It's the result of the Republican's marketing strategy. They started
touting "values" (code word for bigotry and appeasement of
fundamentalists) because they realized that someone who believed the
world was literally 6000 years old could be sold nearly anything,
including programs that were against their self interest, as long as
it did not conflict with their religious beliefs in some obvious way.

So, the party has been in a long term drift towards the lunatic fringe
as moderates are forced out (Specter being the latest example). It
has gone from being "the party of Lincoln" to being the Talibush. :-)

[Bob Eld]

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional. By
such actions she admitted to conspiracy. Any lawyer worth his salt would
advise her to shut up, she is only helping to build a case against herself
and the Bush administration. Only and absolute idiot would admit, in public,
" I passed the memos on." But this is good maybe she will be indicted.
Wouldn't that be a hoot.?

[Bill Z.]

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

[Edward]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted over
three months.
Then there is the attempted fire bombing of the West coast by over 9,000
balloons, some of which made it to the United States. Luckily, the
weather did not cooperate with the Japanese so there were no deaths until
a family on a picnic came across one years later. There were injuries
fighting some of the fires between November 1944 and April 1945.
As for the Germans, there were saboteurs on American soil but they either
surrendered or were captured.
Directly off the East coast, there were 348 ships sunk and another 56
American oil tankers sunk in the Gulf of Mexico. This does not include
passenger ships. Plenty of Americans and people of other nationalities
died.
Total number of German Nazi's ordered to be tortured was Zero.
There were several Japanese and Germans sent to tribunals for doing
exactly what the Bush Jr. administration ordered.

[MioMyo]

Post by Edward

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted over
three months.
Then there is the attempted fire bombing of the West coast by over 9,000
balloons, some of which made it to the United States. Luckily, the
weather did not cooperate with the Japanese so there were no deaths until
a family on a picnic came across one years later. There were injuries
fighting some of the fires between November 1944 and April 1945.
As for the Germans, there were saboteurs on American soil but they either
surrendered or were captured.
Directly off the East coast, there were 348 ships sunk and another 56
American oil tankers sunk in the Gulf of Mexico. This does not include
passenger ships. Plenty of Americans and people of other nationalities
died.
Total number of German Nazi's ordered to be tortured was Zero.
There were several Japanese and Germans sent to tribunals for doing
exactly what the Bush Jr. administration ordered.

Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on Japanese
civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.
Then there is the attempted fire bombing of the West coast by over
9,000 balloons, some of which made it to the United States.
Luckily, the weather did not cooperate with the Japanese so there
were no deaths until a family on a picnic came across one years
later. There were injuries fighting some of the fires between
November 1944 and April 1945.
As for the Germans, there were saboteurs on American soil but they
either surrendered or were captured.
Directly off the East coast, there were 348 ships sunk and another
56 American oil tankers sunk in the Gulf of Mexico. This does not
include passenger ships. Plenty of Americans and people of other
nationalities died.
Total number of German Nazi's ordered to be tortured was Zero.
There were several Japanese and Germans sent to tribunals for doing
exactly what the Bush Jr. administration ordered.

Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.
Then there is the attempted fire bombing of the West coast by over
9,000 balloons, some of which made it to the United States.
Luckily, the weather did not cooperate with the Japanese so there
were no deaths until a family on a picnic came across one years
later. There were injuries fighting some of the fires between
November 1944 and April 1945.
As for the Germans, there were saboteurs on American soil but they
either surrendered or were captured.
Directly off the East coast, there were 348 ships sunk and another
56 American oil tankers sunk in the Gulf of Mexico. This does not
include passenger ships. Plenty of Americans and people of other
nationalities died.
Total number of German Nazi's ordered to be tortured was Zero.
There were several Japanese and Germans sent to tribunals for doing
exactly what the Bush Jr. administration ordered.

Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

And the left is calling it a WAR CRIME....

No charge for educating you libtard.....

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

And the left is calling it a WAR CRIME....
No charge for educating you libtard.....

You are incapable of educating anyone.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

And the left is calling it a WAR CRIME....
No charge for educating you libtard.....

You are incapable of educating anyone.

It's just that you are incapable of being educated, libtard.....

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

And the left is calling it a WAR CRIME....
No charge for educating you libtard.....

You are incapable of educating anyone.

It's just that you are incapable of being educated, libtard.....

Typical "conservative" right-wing loon.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

And the left is calling it a WAR CRIME....
No charge for educating you libtard.....

You are incapable of educating anyone.

It's just that you are incapable of being educated, libtard.....

Typical "conservative" right-wing loon.

You are a typical libtard who cannot defend your ideological fascistic
nonsense......

[Bill Z.]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bill Z.

Post by MioMyo
Interesting that you don't think dropping two nuclear bombs on
Japanese civilian populations wasn't a war crime.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............

The issue under discussion was the treatment of captives.

And the left is calling it a WAR CRIME....
No charge for educating you libtard.....

You are incapable of educating anyone.

It's just that you are incapable of being educated, libtard.....

Typical "conservative" right-wing loon.

You are a typical libtard who cannot defend your ideological fascistic
nonsense......

No, you are simply a liar who is trying to avoid the truth.

[Bill Z.]

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.

Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

[Edward]

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy
combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States during
WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on the U.S.
during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor of Political
Science know the history of the United States.

[MioMyo]

Post by Edward

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States during
WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on the U.S.
during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor of Political
Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....

Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

[Edward]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and
unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States during
WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on the U.S.
during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor of Political
Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....
Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

I never said there was anything wrong with her credentials. She has a
fine educational backround. Unfortunately, she got used to ignoring
reality after all these years under the Bush administration. Dr.
Condolezza Rice was the only one willing to listen to the outgoing Clinton
administration about the terrorist threat. When she attempted to explain
to Bush and the others, she was told to shut up and she did. She has the
intelligence, but she is strictly a follower. Even after her bosses left
office, she can not break the habit.
As for me, the first obvious sign that I would do well was in the first
grade when I was pulled aside and told my IQ was 190, not that I knew what
it meant at such a young age, though the IQ tests I took from high school
until a few years ago show it at only 145. Through high school, I
received several college offers and chose to attend a university that
would provide the education I wanted rather than just go with one of the
biggest names. From my first year to my Masters degree, it only cost me a
total of $2,950 thanks to the scholarships and offers from the schools I
attended. When I graduated with the Masters, I was in the top 0.02% in
the United States. Today I am an American government employee and one of
those responsible for keeping this nation running and safe for you.

[MioMyo]

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and
unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States during
WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on the U.S.
during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor of Political
Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....
Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

I never said there was anything wrong with her credentials. She has a
fine educational backround. Unfortunately, she got used to ignoring
reality after all these years under the Bush administration. Dr.

Your unqualified opinions are irrelevant. Either you have credentials on par
with hers for which you may enjoy a respected opinion or you don't.

Post by Edward
Condolezza Rice was the only one willing to listen to the outgoing Clinton
administration about the terrorist threat. When she attempted to explain
to Bush and the others, she was told to shut up and she did. She has the
intelligence, but she is strictly a follower. Even after her bosses left
office, she can not break the habit.
As for me, the first obvious sign that I would do well was in the first
grade when I was pulled aside and told my IQ was 190, not that I knew what
it meant at such a young age, though the IQ tests I took from high school
until a few years ago show it at only 145. Through high school, I
received several college offers and chose to attend a university that
would provide the education I wanted rather than just go with one of the
biggest names. From my first year to my Masters degree, it only cost me a
total of $2,950 thanks to the scholarships and offers from the schools I
attended. When I graduated with the Masters, I was in the top 0.02% in
the United States. Today I am an American government employee and one of
those responsible for keeping this nation running and safe for you.

[Edward]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

On Sat, 02 May 2009 01:37:47 -0400, Bill Z.

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and
unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States
during WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on
the U.S. during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor
of Political Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....
Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

I never said there was anything wrong with her credentials. She has a
fine educational backround. Unfortunately, she got used to ignoring
reality after all these years under the Bush administration. Dr.

Your unqualified opinions are irrelevant. Either you have credentials on
par with hers for which you may enjoy a respected opinion or you don't.

So the historical facts that were presented that contradict her statements
mean nothing to you. It seems my knowledge of American history is
superior to Rice's own despite her having a Doctorettes and my having a
Masters, though my grades were probably better than hers.
By the way, did you attend any accredited universities or at least
graduate high school?

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward
Condolezza Rice was the only one willing to listen to the outgoing
Clinton administration about the terrorist threat. When she attempted
to explain to Bush and the others, she was told to shut up and she
did. She has the intelligence, but she is strictly a follower. Even
after her bosses left office, she can not break the habit.
As for me, the first obvious sign that I would do well was in the first
grade when I was pulled aside and told my IQ was 190, not that I knew
what it meant at such a young age, though the IQ tests I took from high
school until a few years ago show it at only 145. Through high school,
I received several college offers and chose to attend a university that
would provide the education I wanted rather than just go with one of
the biggest names. From my first year to my Masters degree, it only
cost me a total of $2,950 thanks to the scholarships and offers from
the schools I attended. When I graduated with the Masters, I was in
the top 0.02% in the United States. Today I am an American government
employee and one of those responsible for keeping this nation running
and safe for you.

[MioMyo]

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

On Sat, 02 May 2009 01:37:47 -0400, Bill Z.

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and
unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States
during WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on
the U.S. during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor
of Political Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....
Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

I never said there was anything wrong with her credentials. She has a
fine educational backround. Unfortunately, she got used to ignoring
reality after all these years under the Bush administration. Dr.

Your unqualified opinions are irrelevant. Either you have credentials on
par with hers for which you may enjoy a respected opinion or you don't.

So the historical facts that were presented that contradict her statements
mean nothing to you.

You have provided NO historical facts disputing Condolezza Rice's
statements......

Post by Edward
It seems my knowledge of American history is superior to Rice's own
despite her having a Doctorettes and my having a Masters, though my
grades were probably better than hers.
By the way, did you attend any accredited universities or at least
graduate high school?

It's you who are putting yourself up agaisnt Condi, so don't try the usual
liberal bait_n_ switch cause I am not citing anything other that her as my
source.

But I see logic and debate is a lacking qualiity in your failed
reasoning....

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward
Condolezza Rice was the only one willing to listen to the outgoing
Clinton administration about the terrorist threat. When she attempted
to explain to Bush and the others, she was told to shut up and she did.
She has the intelligence, but she is strictly a follower. Even after
her bosses left office, she can not break the habit.
As for me, the first obvious sign that I would do well was in the first
grade when I was pulled aside and told my IQ was 190, not that I knew
what it meant at such a young age, though the IQ tests I took from high
school until a few years ago show it at only 145. Through high school,
I received several college offers and chose to attend a university that
would provide the education I wanted rather than just go with one of
the biggest names. From my first year to my Masters degree, it only
cost me a total of $2,950 thanks to the scholarships and offers from
the schools I attended. When I graduated with the Masters, I was in
the top 0.02% in the United States. Today I am an American government
employee and one of those responsible for keeping this nation running
and safe for you.

[Edward]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

On Sat, 02 May 2009 10:04:39 -0400, MioMyo

Post by MioMyo

On Sat, 02 May 2009 01:37:47 -0400, Bill Z.

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability
in
passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and
unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States
during WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on
the U.S. during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor
of Political Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....
Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

I never said there was anything wrong with her credentials. She has
a fine educational backround. Unfortunately, she got used to
ignoring reality after all these years under the Bush
administration. Dr.

Your unqualified opinions are irrelevant. Either you have credentials
on par with hers for which you may enjoy a respected opinion or you
don't.

So the historical facts that were presented that contradict her
statements mean nothing to you.

You have provided NO historical facts disputing Condolezza Rice's
statements......

Post by Edward
It seems my knowledge of American history is superior to Rice's own
despite her having a Doctorettes and my having a Masters, though my
grades were probably better than hers.
By the way, did you attend any accredited universities or at least
graduate high school?

It's you who are putting yourself up agaisnt Condi, so don't try the
usual liberal bait_n_ switch cause I am not citing anything other that
her as my source.
But I see logic and debate is a lacking qualiity in your failed
reasoning....

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

Condolezza Rice was the only one willing to listen to the outgoing
Clinton administration about the terrorist threat. When she
attempted to explain to Bush and the others, she was told to shut up
and she did. She has the intelligence, but she is strictly a
follower. Even after her bosses left office, she can not break the
habit.
As for me, the first obvious sign that I would do well was in the
first grade when I was pulled aside and told my IQ was 190, not that
I knew what it meant at such a young age, though the IQ tests I took
from high school until a few years ago show it at only 145. Through
high school, I received several college offers and chose to attend a
university that would provide the education I wanted rather than just
go with one of the biggest names. From my first year to my Masters
degree, it only cost me a total of $2,950 thanks to the scholarships
and offers from the schools I attended. When I graduated with the
Masters, I was in the top 0.02% in the United States. Today I am an
American government employee and one of those responsible for keeping
this nation running and safe for you.

Here is the part that was snipped from my original reply when I was
refering to her statement that there was no attack against the United
States during WWII.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted over
three months.
Then there is the attempted fire bombing of the West coast by over 9,000
balloons, some of which made it to the United States. Luckily, the
weather did not cooperate with the Japanese so there were no deaths until
a family on a picnic came across one years later. There were injuries
fighting some of the fires between November 1944 and April 1945.
As for the Germans, there were saboteurs on American soil but they either
surrendered or were captured.
Directly off the East coast, there were 348 ships sunk and another 56
American oil tankers sunk in the Gulf of Mexico. This does not include
passenger ships. Plenty of Americans and people of other nationalities
died.
Total number of German Nazi's ordered to be tortured was Zero.
There were several Japanese and Germans sent to tribunals for doing
exactly what the Bush Jr. administration ordered.

These are some of the historical facts that she either did not know or
ignored.
While I can have an intelligent conversation with Condolezza Rice, your
lack of understanding and logic show you have no standing with either one
of us.

[RichTravsky]

Post by Edward

Post by MioMyo

Post by Edward

Post by Bill Z.

On Fri, 01 May 2009 15:47:49 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating
evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and
unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy combatants"
also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the people they tortured
were probably too low level to have any useful information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States during
WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on the U.S.
during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor of Political
Science know the history of the United States.

You're welcome to cite your credentials for comparison to Condi's
libtard.....
Here's a cited summary of hers. Feel free to post yours now.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

I never said there was anything wrong with her credentials. She has a
fine educational backround. Unfortunately, she got used to ignoring

A background more geared to the cold war...

Post by Edward
reality after all these years under the Bush administration. Dr.
Condolezza Rice was the only one willing to listen to the outgoing Clinton
administration about the terrorist threat. When she attempted to explain
to Bush and the others, she was told to shut up and she did. She has the
intelligence, but she is strictly a follower. Even after her bosses left
office, she can not break the habit.
As for me, the first obvious sign that I would do well was in the first
grade when I was pulled aside and told my IQ was 190, not that I knew what
it meant at such a young age, though the IQ tests I took from high school
until a few years ago show it at only 145. Through high school, I
received several college offers and chose to attend a university that
would provide the education I wanted rather than just go with one of the
biggest names. From my first year to my Masters degree, it only cost me a
total of $2,950 thanks to the scholarships and offers from the schools I
attended. When I graduated with the Masters, I was in the top 0.02% in
the United States. Today I am an American government employee and one of
those responsible for keeping this nation running and safe for you.

[Bill Z.]

On Sat, 02 May 2009 01:37:47 -0400, Bill

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Edward
You left out the Battle of the Aleutian Islands, Alaska that lasted
over three months.

I mentioned Pearl Harbor because (a) it was a sneak attack before a
declaration of war and (b) the number of casualties was comparable to
what occurred during the 9-11 attack. Yet we didn't torture
prisoners as a response.
Rice's baloney about trying to extract information from "enemy
combatants" also ignores the obvious - that for the most part the
people they tortured were probably too low level to have any useful
information anyway.

I mentioned some of the examples of attacks on the United States
during WWII because Dr. Rice mentioned there was never an attack on
the U.S. during WWII. Of course, how would someone who is a Doctor
of Political Science know the history of the United States.

Listen to the video - the discussion was about Nazi Germany. She said
that Nazi Germany never attacked the "homeland" of the U.S. during
World War II.

What she did was to try to justify her behavior rather than educate a
student. She should have said that the war with Japan was a better
analogy so they could discuss that. Instead, she used various
debating ploys, more or less changing the topic to whether the student
knew some facts that were not particularly relevant.

[RichTravsky]

Post by Bill Z.

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional.

Interestingly, the student mentioned World War II and the Nazis,
pointing out that we did not torture any German prisoners we captured
while the Nazis were bombing our allies. Rice's counter argument was
that the Nazis never attacked the U.S. itself. What she failed to
mention (and the student didn't think of either) was that half of
World War II was being ignored - the part going on across the ocean
within bicycling distance of Condi's current home. We didn't torture
Japanese prisoners either, in spite of their government's habit of
torturing prisoners (including Americans) and the attack on Pearl
Harbor, which killed 2402 Americans and wounded 1282 others - a
surprise attack with no preceeding declaration of war. After the
hostilities ended, we tried and executed some Japanese for torture,
including waterboarding.

LOL She's splitting hairs. The Germans went after our shipping and killed
Americans that way.

[Bill Z.]

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Actually Rice spewed baloney counter to all the accumulating evidence on the
torture subject, but more importantly, she admitted culpability in passing
information to the CIA that was clearly illegal and unconstitutional. By
such actions she admitted to conspiracy. Any lawyer worth his salt would
advise her to shut up, she is only helping to build a case against herself
and the Bush administration. Only and absolute idiot would admit, in public,
" I passed the memos on." But this is good maybe she will be indicted.
Wouldn't that be a hoot.?

If you listen to what she says carefully, she claimed to have passed
on a "policy authorization" subject to Justice Dept. approval. That
gives her "plausible deniability" as she can claim that she would
naturally assume that the Justice Department would never approve
anything illegal (never mind that it was being run for a while by
Concentration Camp Gonzales).

On an ethical level, her excuses are lame. She probably stayed on
safe ground legally (and probably thought about it a lot in advance
so she wouldn't say anything that would incriminate her).

From a practical standpoint, her excuses are lame as well. She
claimed they were trying to prevent another 3000 Americans from
being killed in another attack. Yet, the 9-11 one could have
been avoided if the administration had taken Gore's report on
terrorism seriously and instituted some common-sense preventative
measures such as re-enforcing the cockpit doors and keeping them
locked during the flight. You can't take control of the plane if
you can't get into the cockpit.

It resulted in the mistreatment of American citizens such as Jose
Padilla, who was apparently a failed gangbanger or what have you,
who was held as an enemy combatant, and accused of trying to obtain
and detonate a dirty bomb. When he was finally convicted of something,
the dirty bomb charge had been dropped for lack of evidence and the
best they had was an application form to go to some Al Qaeda
training camp (its not clear if he knew exactly what Al Qaeda was),
while he seems to have terrorized no one at all, regardless of his
intentions.
(<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/22cnd-padilla.html?hp>)

[Edward]

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Since the end of the 19th century, the United States Army refered to most
of what she calls interogation techiniques as torture.
It is interesting to hear her state that Al Qaeda came from Saudi Arabia.
All these years, she and the rest of the Bush Jr. administration kept
saying Al Qaeda and Iraq in the same sentance with no reference to Saudi
Arabia.

[RichTravsky]

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Sleezy justifying torture by associating 911 and Iraq! LOL


http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/john-dean-rice-may-have-admitted-to-conspiracy/
In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for
President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal
conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student videographers
at Stanford.

Rice told students at Stanford that she didn’t authorize torture, she merely
forwarded the authorization for it. Dean, who became a poster child for
whistleblowing after aiding the prosecution of the Watergate affair, told
MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann that Rice may have admitted to a criminal conspiracy.
...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml
Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that
some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during
World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.

"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
...
During World War II both Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, and the
officers of the Gestapo,[66] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a
method of torture.
...
Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid
following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his
Japanese captors.[71] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he
testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my
face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this
towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let
up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again… I felt more or less
like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."
...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html
...
Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer,
Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a
U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that
his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were
poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)
told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions
legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding
was used against Americans in World War II," he said.
...



"I vas only vollowing orders" - nazi

"I was only passing on orders" - sleezy rice

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Sleezy justifying torture by associating 911 and Iraq! LOL
http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/john-dean-rice-may-have-admitted-to-conspiracy/
In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for
President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal
conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student
videographers
at Stanford.

I watched that vid of Sleezy last night. - just loved the way she was ripped
apart by a spotty 19 year old student.
LOL.
She's not so hot when she doesn't have her press secretary to organise the
questions for her.
And - as you say - she was so incredibly inept that she might well have
dropped herself in it on camera.

To watch these rightards trying to 'justify' torture is fankly disgusting.
One expects if from sicko nazi bitches like MioMyo but Sleezy really should
have done better than to be utterly spanked by a spooty kid.

And the "9/11 and Iraq" line. Oh Perleeeeeese!
Just shows you how much respect she has for the intelligence of her fellow
Americans.

Maybe justice WILL be done in the US one day.

[RichTravsky]

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Sleezy justifying torture by associating 911 and Iraq! LOL


http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/john-dean-rice-may-have-admitted-to-conspiracy/
In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for
President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal
conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student videographers
at Stanford.

Rice told students at Stanford that she didn’t authorize torture, she merely
forwarded the authorization for it. Dean, who became a poster child for
whistleblowing after aiding the prosecution of the Watergate affair, told
MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann that Rice may have admitted to a criminal conspiracy.
...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml
Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that
some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during
World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.

"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
...
During World War II both Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, and the
officers of the Gestapo,[66] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a
method of torture.
...
Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid
following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his
Japanese captors.[71] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he
testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my
face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this
towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let
up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again… I felt more or less
like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."
...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html
...
Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer,
Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a
U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that
his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were
poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)
told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions
legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding
was used against Americans in World War II," he said.
...



"I vas only vollowing orders" - nazi

"I was only passing on orders" - sleezy rice

[MioMyo]

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Sleezy justifying torture by associating 911 and Iraq! LOL
http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/john-dean-rice-may-have-admitted-to-conspiracy/
In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for
President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal
conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student
videographers
at Stanford.
Rice told students at Stanford that she didn't authorize torture, she
merely
forwarded the authorization for it.

CORRECTION: The Authorization for ENHANCED INTERROGATION......

Post by RichTravsky
Dean, who became a poster child for
whistleblowing after aiding the prosecution of the Watergate affair, told
MSNBC's Keith Olbermann that Rice may have admitted to a criminal
conspiracy.

Plus the Imperial Princess Pelosi is a Lying Bitch since she was a
Co-Conspirator according to Liberal Standards... That is if they weren't
such a lying bunch of Hypocrites....

PROOF:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/05/cia_says_pelosi_was_briefed_on.html

Post by RichTravsky
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml
Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that
some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during
World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.
"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
...
During World War II both Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, and the
officers of the Gestapo,[66] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a
method of torture.
...
Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid
following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his
Japanese captors.[71] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he
testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my
face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this
towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let
up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again. I felt more or
less
like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."
...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html
...
Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer,
Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of
waterboarding on a
U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that
his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were
poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.
"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)
told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions
legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding
was used against Americans in World War II," he said.
...
"I vas only vollowing orders" - nazi
"I was only passing on orders" - sleezy rice

[RichTravsky]

Post by MioMyo

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Sleezy justifying torture by associating 911 and Iraq! LOL
http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/john-dean-rice-may-have-admitted-to-conspiracy/
In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for
President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal
conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student videographers
at Stanford.
Rice told students at Stanford that she didn't authorize torture, she
merely
forwarded the authorization for it.

CORRECTION: The Authorization for ENHANCED INTERROGATION......

CORRECTION: torture.

Educational material restored.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml
Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that
some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during
World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.

"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
...
During World War II both Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, and the
officers of the Gestapo,[66] the German secret police, used waterboarding as a
method of torture.
...
Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid
following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his
Japanese captors.[71] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he
testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs
stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my
face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this
towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let
up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again… I felt more or less
like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."
...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html
...
Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer,
Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a
U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that
his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were
poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)
told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions
legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding
was used against Americans in World War II," he said.
...

Now, why was Asano punished for water boarding, eh?

Post by MioMyo

Post by RichTravsky
Dean, who became a poster child for
whistleblowing after aiding the prosecution of the Watergate affair, told
MSNBC's Keith Olbermann that Rice may have admitted to a criminal
conspiracy.

Ignorant dodge deleted.

[MioMyo]

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo

Post by RichTravsky

Post by MioMyo
Notice that this student,who believes himself to be coy, can only spout
liberal talking points whereas Condi schools him in the facts.
http://youtu.be/ijEED_iviTA

Sleezy justifying torture by associating 911 and Iraq! LOL
http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/john-dean-rice-may-have-admitted-to-conspiracy/
In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for
President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal
conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student videographers
at Stanford.
Rice told students at Stanford that she didn't authorize torture, she
merely
forwarded the authorization for it.

CORRECTION: The Authorization for ENHANCED INTERROGATION......

CORRECTION: torture.

Right, but the question is when is it torture having panties on your head
and when is it fun?