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4% of Americans sympathize with Muslime killers - hysterical leftwits in tears :)
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Stan de SD
2006-07-31 05:51:08 UTC
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"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(

7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.

"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.



The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.

Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.

"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.

Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.

Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.

"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.

Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.

"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).

Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.

Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.

According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.

In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.

For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.

In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
compliance with the treaty, urged Iran:

"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the Convention."


http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
The Good Reverend Roger
2006-07-31 05:54:49 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
Let's see. According to the last 2 elections, ~ 49-51% of America is
liberal.

4% of America sympathyzes with the terrorists.

The OP says that "liberals" sympathize with the terrorists.

So, explain to me: How does 50% = 4%?
hal92234
2006-07-31 06:37:56 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
So _that's_ how you get people into your camp, with hyperbolic fear
mongering.


New Democratic campaign slogan: Vote for us or they'll hang you from a
crane.
Stan de SD
2006-07-31 06:46:58 UTC
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Post by hal92234
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
So _that's_ how you get people into your camp, with hyperbolic fear
mongering.
You think pointing out reality is somehow "hyperbolic fear mongering"?
Miriam Cohen
2006-07-31 15:53:19 UTC
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Post by hal92234
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim
to
Post by hal92234
Post by Stan de SD
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find
morally
Post by hal92234
Post by Stan de SD
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives,
haven't
Post by hal92234
Post by Stan de SD
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get
their
Post by hal92234
Post by Stan de SD
way... :O(
So _that's_ how you get people into your camp, with hyperbolic fear
mongering.
You think pointing out reality is somehow "hyperbolic fear mongering"?
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence; no evidence has been offered
to prove that he can think. :(
--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.
Joe S.
2006-07-31 06:57:49 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the Convention."
http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so. One religious nut is
as bad as another religious nut, no matter if he's Muslim or Baptist.
hal92234
2006-07-31 07:37:42 UTC
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Post by Joe S.
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the
Convention."
http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so. One religious nut
is as bad as another religious nut, no matter if he's Muslim or Baptist.
Believing that gays shouldn't marry is a long way from sentencing them to
death. For such an outrageous claim, the burden of proof is on you to show
how the religious right would like to sentence gays to death.

And no, dredging up some fringe group does not count.
Miriam Cohen
2006-07-31 15:55:26 UTC
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Post by hal92234
Post by Joe S.
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the
Convention."
http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so. One religious nut
is as bad as another religious nut, no matter if he's Muslim or Baptist.
Believing that gays shouldn't marry is a long way from sentencing them to
death.
You say stupid shit like this and then wonder why you get ridiculed.
--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.
Stan de SD
2006-07-31 08:16:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Joe S.
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so.
Convince us they would. Sources? Cites? Didn't think so...
Post by Joe S.
One religious nut is
as bad as another religious nut, no matter if he's Muslim or Baptist.
How many Baptists have set up IED's, flown hijacked airplanes into
buildings, or become suicide bombers?
Jeff Caird
2006-07-31 13:10:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Joe S.
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so.
Convince us they would. Sources? Cites? Didn't think so...
The Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts was a genuine theocracy,
in fact the law against homosexual acts was lifted verbatim
from Leviticus. (The law was also put into the Mass. laws
later.) In spite of this, no person was ever executed for
homosexual acts, though there was one young man hanged for
multiple acts of bestiality only after he confessed to all of
them. The horrified judges had hoped to let him off with a
whipping. The hangman got drunk...

Who was more 'religious right' than the Pilgrims, yet they
refused to use the death penalty against perverts.
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Joe S.
One religious nut is
as bad as another religious nut, no matter if he's Muslim or Baptist.
How many Baptists have set up IED's, flown hijacked airplanes into
buildings, or become suicide bombers?
Stan de SD
2006-07-31 15:20:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Caird
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Joe S.
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so.
Convince us they would. Sources? Cites? Didn't think so...
The Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts was a genuine theocracy,
in fact the law against homosexual acts was lifted verbatim
from Leviticus. (The law was also put into the Mass. laws
later.) In spite of this, no person was ever executed for
homosexual acts, though there was one young man hanged for
multiple acts of bestiality only after he confessed to all of
them. The horrified judges had hoped to let him off with a
whipping. The hangman got drunk...
Who was more 'religious right' than the Pilgrims, yet they
refused to use the death penalty against perverts.
Thanks for the info.
Miriam Cohen
2006-07-31 15:57:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Caird
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Joe S.
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so.
Convince us they would. Sources? Cites? Didn't think so...
The Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts was a genuine theocracy
You *ARE* aware of the fact that we're in the second millennium now
aren't you? Even slavery is outlawed now.
--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.
Stan de SD
2006-07-31 16:11:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Jeff Caird
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Joe S.
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so.
Convince us they would. Sources? Cites? Didn't think so...
The Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts was a genuine theocracy
You *ARE* aware of the fact that we're in the second millennium now
aren't you? Even slavery is outlawed now.
Miriam: please re-read Jeff's post. He was making the point that even the
most zealous Christian theocrats had no particular dispensation for wanting
to execute people based on their sexual preferences
Miriam Cohen
2006-07-31 15:54:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Joe S.
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the Convention."
http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Convince me that, here in the USofA, the "religious right" would not
sentence gays to death if they had the power to do so. One religious nut is
as bad as another religious nut, no matter if he's Muslim or Baptist.
You're as delusional as the rest of your terrorist sympathizing morons.
--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.
Errol
2006-07-31 11:48:28 UTC
Permalink
Stan de SD wrote:
What's a muslime? Is it a citrus?
--
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties
or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an
alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge
industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods
and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

- Eisenhower Farewell Speech, 1961
Phil Keller
2006-07-31 17:04:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Errol
What's a muslime? Is it a citrus?
A female British Muslim, a little tart though.
Miriam Cohen
2006-07-31 15:51:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
You are absolutely correct :(
Post by Stan de SD
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the Convention."
http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Unfortunately these "liberals" won't realize it until Islamofascism has
its boots on their throats and the they'll be singing "but we didn't know"
--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.
Stan de SD
2006-07-31 16:14:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right to
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right" to
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do you
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil more
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior of
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives, haven't
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get their
way... :O(
You are absolutely correct :(
Post by Stan de SD
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over have
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in northeastern
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed because of
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International Lesbian
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world, maintained
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including the
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing teenagers
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison, spokesman
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that given
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they should
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and
Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though Outrage
believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy for
the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts were
punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer, Rohollah
Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the execution
of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on deaf
ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as saying,
calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison for
14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention
suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death over
the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside of
marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today which
still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as a
state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights
(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been considering
legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for offences
committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of Iran's
Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second periodic
report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution of
all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime before
the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to abolish
the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the Convention."
http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Unfortunately these "liberals" won't realize it until Islamofascism has
its boots on their throats and the they'll be singing "but we didn't know"
Apparently, hating conservatives and Jews is more important than saving
their own asses. Remember when Golda Meir said that the violence would only
end when Palestinians loved their children more than they hated Jews? A
similar issue is at work here... :O|
Miriam Cohen
2006-08-01 00:22:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:02 -0700,
... sympathize with Muslime...
Learn how to spell. It's: Muslim.
...hysterical leftwits...
Try: "control-freakish & ignorant rightards"
and you'll be accurate.
Hardly, Islam is the antithesis of all things "liberals" claim to
stand
up for. In Islam there are *NO* rights for women let alone the right
to
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
choose to bear or not bear children, there are no rights for gays
except
the "right" to be beheaded if you get caught, women have the "right"
to
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
die by "honor killing" by their fathers, husbands, sons, brothers if
they have the audacity to be the victim of rape. So which is it, do
you
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
only vocally support the things you *CLAIM* to stand for or is oil
more
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
important than your principles?
Miriam, to understand where I'm coming from as an egalitarian,
you (or anyone else) need to realize that for me it is ALL about
defending human rights and personal liberties.
That includes the right to exercise free speech and denounce behavior
of
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
other (terrorists, homosexuals, liberals) that people may find morally
objectionable, right?
Islamofascists *ARE* the antithesis of everything so called "liberals"
claim they stand for.
And American gays, with their histrionic hatred of conservatives,
haven't
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
figured out that they will be the next ones with wires around their neck
swinging from cranes in the town stadium once the Islamofascists get
their
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
way... :O(
You are absolutely correct :(
Post by Stan de SD
7/26/05
Activists condemn execution of gay teens in Iran
ANKARA, 25 Jul 2005 (IRIN) - Human rights groups the world over
have
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
strongly condemned the recent execution of two gay teenagers in
northeastern
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
Iran.
"It's entirely unacceptable that people are actually killed
because of
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
their sexuality," Kursad Kahramananoglu, head of the International
Lesbian
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
and Gay Association (ILGA), the oldest and only membership-based
lesbian,
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) organisation in the world,
maintained
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
from Istanbul.
The two teenagers were executed on 19 July (photo: ISNA
While exact details of the case remained unclear, he vowed if
confirmed, ILGA would pursue the matter to the highest level, including
the
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
United Nations, noting a rise in homophobia in the world today.
Kahramananoglu was not alone in his condemnation. "Killing
teenagers
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
for what they do together is absolutely abhorrent," David Allison,
spokesman
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
for the London-based LGBT advocacy group Outrage said. He added that
given
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
that Iran was such an old civilisation, it was appalling that they
should
Post by Miriam Cohen
Post by Stan de SD
descend to such barbaric levels - especially against young people.
"To execute people simply because they are gay or have had gay sex
just isn't acceptable in the 21st century," he exclaimed.
Their comments follow the public hangings of Mahmoud Asgari, 16,
and
Post by Miriam Cohen
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Ayaz Marhoni, 18, on 19 July in Mashad, provincial capital of Iran's
northeastern Khorasan province, on charges of homosexuality.
Asgari had been accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, though
Outrage
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believed those allegations were trumped up to undermine public sympathy
for
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the two youths, both of whom maintain they were unaware homosexual acts
were
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punishable by death, an AP news report said on Sunday.
"The judiciary has trampled its own laws," Asgari's lawyer,
Rohollah
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Razez Zadeh, was quoted as saying, explaining that Iranian courts were
supposed to commute death sentences handed to children to five years in
jail, but the country's Supreme Court allowed the hangings to proceed.
Meanwhile on Saturday, Iran's Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi
condemned the executions, reaffirming her determination to ban the
execution
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of minors.
"My calls for a law banning execution of under-18s have fallen on
deaf
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ears so far but I will not give up the fight," the AP quoted her as
saying,
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calling the executions a violation of Iran's obligations under the
International Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC).
Prior to the boys' executions, the teenagers were held in prison
for
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14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their
detention
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suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year
earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16, a statement by
Outrage explained.
Citing Iranian human rights campaigners, Outrage claims over 4,000
lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Iranian revolution of
1979. In total, an estimated 100,000 Iranians have been put to death
over
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the last 26 years of clerical rule, including women who had sex outside
of
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marriage and political opponents of the Islamist government.
According to ILGA, Iran is one of at least seven countries today
which
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still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. Others include
Mauritania, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The
situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.
In the wake of the hangings, Amnesty International (AI) on Friday
called on Tehran to put a final stop to state executions, explaining as
a
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state party to the International Convention on Civil and Political
Rights
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(ICCPR) and the CRC, Iran had undertaken not to execute anyone for an
offence committed when they were under the age of 18.
For the past four years, the Iranian authorities have been
considering
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legislation that would prohibit the use of the death penalty for
offences
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committed by persons under the age of 18. Under Article 1210(1) of
Iran's
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Civil Code, the ages of 15 lunar years for boys and nine lunar years for
girls are set out as the age of criminal responsibility, an AI statement
said.
In January 2005, following its consideration of Iran's second
periodic
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report on its implementation of the provisions of the CRC, the United
Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, the body of independent
experts established under this Convention to monitor states parties'
"to take the necessary steps to immediately suspend the execution
of
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all death penalties imposed on persons for having committed a crime
before
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the age of 18, to take the appropriate legal measures to convert them to
penalties in conformity with the provisions of the Convention and to
abolish
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the death penalty as a sentence imposed on persons for having committed
crimes before the age of 18, as required by article 37 of the
Convention."
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http://simianbrain.atlblogs.com/archives/005688.html
Unfortunately these "liberals" won't realize it until Islamofascism has
its boots on their throats and the they'll be singing "but we didn't know"
Apparently, hating conservatives and Jews is more important than saving
their own asses. Remember when Golda Meir said that the violence would only
end when Palestinians loved their children more than they hated Jews? A
similar issue is at work here... :O|
Sadly she was correct.
--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.
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Advice for Patriots
By Dr. William Pierce

Today let's talk about some of the things that have changed in America
since September 11. I'm not thinking about all of the new rigamarole
at airports or about how Mr. Bush's campaign of cruise-missile
diplomacy in the Middle East is going or even about how opening the
mail each morning in media offices around the country and in
politicians' offices in Washington has become a much more exciting
operation than it used to be
when Ted Kaczynski was the only person putting dangerous things into
letters.
I'm more interested in the changes in the Politically Correct party
line laid down for the lemmings by the media. I'm interested in
changes in the way Americans view the world. And I'm interested in the
changed prospects for the future of America.
The most interesting thing about the new party line is its stupidity.
The Jews were caught by surprise last month, and they had to whip up
something in a hurry in order to deflect blame from Israel and from
the U.S. government's support for Israel. Apparently the best they
could do on a moment's notice is the explanation that Osama bin Laden
attacked us
simply because he hates our freedom and democracy. Since they first
cooked up that explanation they've refined it quite a bit. Both the
Foreign Ministry in Israel and the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee, Israel's enormously powerful lobby in Washington, have been
circulating "talking papers" to their own people, to politicians, and
to everyone else who is likely to be making a public statement about
America's new war or about Washington's past policy in the Middle
East.
These "talking papers" tell people how to counter what the Jews call
Osama bin Laden's "lies" and also how to respond to anyone who
suggests that our government's support of Israel might have had
something to do with the September 11 attack. The papers warn people
never to raise this subject, but if someone else insists on talking
about it, it is to be
countered with the explanation that support for Israel had nothing at
all to do with the attack, that we would have been attacked even if we
weren't supporting Israel, and that the only reason for the attack is
Osama bin Laden's irrational hatred of America's freedom and
democracy.
I believe that it's clear that many people actually believe this
nonsense, judging by the number of cars with red, white, and blue
ribbons tied to their antennas. But these are the people who believe
everything Tom Brokaw or their beloved Big Brother in the White House
tells them. If George Bush came on TV and told them with that
mock-solemn expression of his that a Martian invasion force had just
landed, that the Martians were demanding one million sacrificial
virgins as their price for not destroying Hollywood and Washington,
and that U.S. Army troops would be going door to door to collect
virgins, the folks with the ribbons on their antennas would believe
it, and they would prepare to hand over any virgins in their
households. They would consider it their patriotic duty. The party
line may change from time to time, but lemmings never change.
Well, the lemmings may believe that U.S. support for Israel had
nothing to do with the September 11 attack or with the anthrax-laden
letters now going around, but no one else believes it. Last week the
media bosses were kicking themselves because they had let the text of
a statement Osama bin Laden had made be published in the United
States. They said that they had made a mistake in putting this
statement before the American public. They wouldn't publish any
further Osama bin Laden statements, they said, because the statements
might contain secret instructions for his operatives.
Everyone I've spoken with laughed at that excuse. In his last
statement Osama bin Laden said that Americans would not be secure and
would have no peace of mind as long as Palestinians were not secure in
their own land. That's the sort of powerful and simple message that
even Sally Soccer Mom and Joe Sixpack might understand, and that's
what the Jewish media bosses don't want the public to hear. They're
not worried about secret instructions; they're worried about the
lemmings figuring out what's going on.
Actually, I think there's very little danger of that. And really, the
changes I'm more interested in are in the outlook of the minority of
the population able to think for itself: the minority that doesn't
believe whatever Tom Brokaw says. You know, I've been talking to this
minority for years-decades, actually-warning them about the
consequences of letting their government get out of control, warning
them of the consequences of permitting the Jews of Hollywood and New
York to run our country through their control of our mass media,
warning them of the consequences of continuing to sit on their hands
and keep their mouths shut from fear of being denounced by the media
as "anti-Semites" or "racists."
And I wasn't having as much success as I wanted at getting them to pay
attention and change their ways. Many of those who listened wouldn't
do anything because what I was warning them about didn't seem quite
real. Despite all the changes they could see around them-the
deterioration of our cities and our schools, the darkening of the
racial complexion of America, the trashing of our culture by the mass
media, the increasingly
obvious efforts of the Jewish media bosses to persuade our young women
that they should bed down with non-Whites-despite everything, they
themselves managed to remain comfortable and economically secure, so
the things I was warning them about didn't seem quite real. They had
convinced themselves that they were above it all, that they could
continue to watch the destruction of their country and their people
all around them, and it would never affect them personally: that they
could remain secure and comfortable while everything around them went
to hell. Osama bin Laden jolted some of them awake on September 11:
some of those whose attention I hadn't been able to catch with my own
warnings. He convinced some of them that what they had been observing
going on around them for years was in fact real: that continuing to
ignore the degenerative processes promoted by the media and the
government and hoping for the best really wasn't a good strategy for
personal survival. In particular, he convinced many members of the
thinking minority that losing control of our government really is a
serious matter, that
permitting our government to be used by the Jews against their
neighbors in the Middle East-and also against the genuine interests of
the American people-could have real consequences at home.
I have the feeling that many of these thinking people are paying at
least a little more attention now to the things we've been talking
about here every week. The fact that the number of people who download
these broadcasts from my Web site each Saturday has nearly doubled
since September 11 is a pretty good indication of this, I believe.
Just as I'm getting more hate mail from the red-white-and-blue-ribbon
types, I'm also getting more thoughtful responses from the people who
understand and care. Which is to say, I think I have an audience now
that not only is bigger but also is more attentive and responsive.
That is really important.
I'm not discouraged by the fact that the attentive and responsive
people still constitute only a minority of a minority. I'm encouraged
by the fact that the attentive people now make up a larger minority of
the thinking portion of the population than they did before September
11. Important things always are done by minorities. Majorities don't
make
decisions; individuals do; small minorities do. History is made by
active minorities. Sometimes an active minority may use the passive
majority as a tool or a weapon, but the minority always acts in accord
with its own will.
What's important is which minority is making the decisions, which
minority is active at any particular moment. For at least the past 60
years it's been the wrong minority, an alien minority that is
implacably hostile to our people. If we are to survive, that must
change. Our minority must become active instead. Our minority must
grow to include more of the thinking portion of our population. And
that is happening now. That's been happening since September 11.
The people who understand and care have been forced to begin paying
attention. I have a very strong premonition that there will be other
things in the reasonably near future that will make them pay even
closer attention. The Bush government, just like the Clinton
government before it, thinks that it can stop terrorism with cruise
missiles and smart bombs. But just think for a moment: whether Osama
bin Laden survives the Bush government's current war against Israel's
enemies in the Middle East or not, he already has become immortal. In
the eyes of Muslims he has been elevated to a status in heaven
alongside Mohammed. His name will be praised, and stories will be told
about him around campfires throughout the Muslim world for countless
generations to come, long
after the Bush government has gone and been forgotten. Cruise missiles
can't take Osama bin Laden's immortality away from him. There's
nothing the Bush government can do to diminish his glory in the Muslim
world. In fact, the more cruise missiles and smart bombs the United
States unleashes on the Muslim world, the higher will Osama bin
Laden's esteem rise; the more will his strike against the United
States seem justified to his fellow Muslims.
Don't be fooled by the tame "house Muslims" the media bosses have been
trotting out to explain to the lemmings that violence is abhorrent to
"real Muslims." The real Muslims are the ones rioting against the
government in Pakistan now. The real Muslims are the ones singing
Osama bin Laden's praises now. And there will be no shortage of other
young Muslims lusting for a share in his glory, lusting to have their
praises sung around campfires too. Cruise missiles don't frighten
them. There are enough of them already in this country to keep things
jumping, thanks to the government's insane immigration policy of
recent decades. The anthrax-laced letters that have been going around
all were mailed from inside this country. And anthrax is by no means
the nastiest thing that can be mailed in an envelope. The media won't
even mention the biological warfare agents the government is really
afraid of, because they don't want to give anyone ideas.
The fact is, terrorism has been made much more fashionable since
September 11, and the stakes have been raised. Simple truck bombs
won't get much respect in the future, but I have a suspicion that
we'll see a few more of them anyway. And I suspect that we'll also see
people trying to outdo Osama bin Laden's September 11 televised
extravaganza. The
government and the media suspect the same thing, and they're
frightened. That's why they're trying so desperately to stifle dissent
and keep everyone pledging allegiance to the flag.
At the University of California in Los Angeles a library worker,
53-year-old Jonnie Hargis, has been suspended without pay because he
sent out an e-mail letter criticizing U.S. support for Israel's
aggression. The university administration explained that it has a
policy against using university computers for political messages, but
Hargis, who has worked at the UCLA library for 22 years, pointed out
that no one who has been sending out pro-Israel and pro-war messages
has been punished.
There are similar situations at other universities around the country.
Jews and neo-conservatives post belligerent, bloodthirsty messages
calling for the annihilation of all of the Jews' enemies in the Middle
East, including Iraq and Iran as well as Afghanistan. Anyone who calls
instead for eliminating the cause of the September 11 attack-that is,
for stopping the blind support by the U.S. government of Israel's
aggression-is censured and threatened with expulsion or with being
fired.
There are still people around who can remember how it was at our
universities during the Vietnam war. That was when treason ruled on
campuses. Students burned their draft cards and put up Viet Cong flags
and posters of Ho Chi Minh in their dormitories. Jewish activists in
groups such as Students for a Democratic Society organized pro-Viet
Cong
rallies on campuses. Professors encouraged this activity, and
administrators didn't interfere, citing free speech.
The switch to red, white, and blue ribbons and saluting the flag came
rather suddenly last month, and a lot of thinking people understand
why it came. They understand that it is when America is involved in a
war to promote Jewish interests that pledging allegiance to the flag
suddenly is declared fashionable. When Israel's welfare is threatened,
Jews, ordinarily noted for their cynicism and irreverence, suddenly
put their hands over their hearts and begin singing The Star-Spangled
Banner, and they glare at anyone who isn't singing loudly enough. And
people who make the mistake of asking why get fired or suspended. But
you know, firing people or suspending people who have dissenting
opinions doesn't go down well with the independent thinkers. And I'll
guarantee you:
there will be a lot more dissent before this war is over. And the
Jewish media won't be able to hide it all.
What we are beginning to see now is a sharpening division between the
Jews, their bought politicians, and the "I pledge allegiance,"
authoritarian types on one side, and everyone else on the other side.
We also saw a division, along different lines, during the Vietnam war,
with the authoritarians and the Jews on opposite sides instead of the
same
side. I believe that the division this time will develop faster and
become sharper.
I don't know how the war itself will develop. It was clear before it
began that the U.S. military machine is quite capable of flattening
Afghanistan or any other Third World country without suffering any
significant losses to its own personnel, simply because we can hit
them from a distance with a great deal of destructive power, and they
don't have the means to hit back-except through what we call
"terrorism." It is certain that there will be more terrorism,
although, of course, I cannot predict the form it will take or its
magnitude.
I can predict, however, that the media and the politicians will
denounce it as "cowardly" and will act as if America has been wronged:
that whatever form the next blow against America takes and wherever it
comes from, it will be declared "unprovoked." And I can predict that
the polls published by the media will continue to show nearly every
American
wildly enthusiastic about the war, even as the opposition to the war
grows.
One interesting thing about the opposition this time is that it is
growing both among the Gentile Left and among genuine patriots. During
the Vietnam war the members of the Gentile Left all were on the Jewish
side. Despite the current agreement between leftists and patriots on
the single issue of ending support for Israel and limiting the war in
the
Middle East, I don't see much chance of real collaboration between
these two elements. The Gentile Left is still hopelessly confused on
such essential issues as race and feminism and homosexuality and
permissiveness. But the war is indeed driving a wedge between Jews and
Gentile leftists-a deeper wedge than that driven by the development of
Jewish neo-conservatism after the Vietnam war, and for that we should
be thankful.
There may be other hopeful developments as well. The assassination in
Jerusalem this week of one of Israel's most bloodthirsty Jewish
militants by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
certainly was a welcome move. Until now all of the assassins have been
Jews, and all of the victims have been Palestinians. It's too soon to
know whether
or not this one act of retribution against the Israeli leadership will
be followed by other successful blows, but it may be that the events
of recent weeks have emboldened the Palestinians to act with more
imagination and enterprise than before.
Looking ahead a bit, there are several signs of hope here on our own
home front. The heightened sense of reality among non-lemmings, the
lessening of their sense of detachment, the stronger realization that
they cannot survive by continuing to sit on their hands and watch the
Jews destroy the world around them- -- this is the single most
important consequence of recent events. This, together with the
growing alienation between Gentile leftists and Jews, leaves the Jews
in a weaker position than they have been in a long time. They will
crack their whips more frantically than before, trying to keep
everyone in line, but the principal effect of that will be to generate
even more resentment against them.
Things are a bit brittle now. A few dozen more anthrax cases, another
truck bomb in a well chosen location, and substantial changes could
take place in a hurry: a stock market panic, martial law measures by
the Bush government, and a sharpening of the debate as to how we got
ourselves get into this mess in the first place. As the debate
sharpens, the Jews and their collaborators will pull out all of the
stops in an effort to stifle it, but I don't think that even a
declaration of martial law can stifle it now. Too many people already
smell the stink in Washington. Too many people already understand on
whose hands is the blood of 6,000 innocent Americans who died last
month. Too many people understand the true motivation behind the
current war against Israel's enemies in the
Middle East. The genie is out of the bottle now, and not even Mr.
Bush's new anti-terrorism agency-what does he call it? -- the Office
of Homeland Security? -- not even this new Federal agency can put it
back in the bottle.
It's a strange thing: in a novel I wrote more than 12 years ago - the
title is Hunter-I talked about the formation of a new anti-terrorism
agency, separate from the FBI. And I pointed out that the principal
aim of the new agency would not be to protect the public from
terrorism, but to protect the government from an increasingly restless
and disillusioned public: a sort of modern Praetorian Guard. I think
that we'll be seeing more developments in that direction in the next
few months, with the timing depending upon when the next surprise
comes and its magnitude.
Of course, I don't know what will happen next to shatter already
jangled nerves, but it is likely that something will happen. My advice
to responsible patriots now is this: Expect a surprise, and remain
calm when it comes. But don't wait for it to come to raise your voice.
Speak out now. Don't be intimidated by the mindless yahoos waving
their flags
or by the government or by the media. If you point out calmly and in a
reasoned way who is responsible for what happened to America last
month you will have more people agreeing with you than you might
imagine. If you call for your fellow Americans to join you in
regaining control of their government, the response will be greater
than at any time in recent years.
Thanks for being with me again today.


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