Pelosi SAYS NIMBY - moving detainees to Alcatraz

[MioMyo]

Watch the Imperial Princess Pelosi stumble on he on words:

Or read about it at:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/25/pelosi-shrugs-alcatraz-possible-terror-detention-facility/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday shrugged off Republican suggestions
that the federal government reopen Alcatraz prison in her San Francisco
district to house detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

President Obama this week signed an executive order calling for the closure
of the prison at Guantanamo within the year. Republican Rep. Bill Young then
suggested to White House counsel Greg Craig that the prisoners who could not
be released back to their home countries or sent to a third country be put
up in "the Rock," the famous military installation and prison that closed
down in 1963 and is now part of the National Park Service.

Asked whether that was a serious proposal, Pelosi said, "It is -- no."

"Perhaps he's not visited Alcatraz," Pelosi said of Young while displaying
little sense of humor. "Alcatraz is a tourist attraction. It's a prison that
is now sort of like a -- it's a national park."

That explanation didn't stop House Minority Leader John Boehner from
repeating the suggestion on Sunday, making that point that closing down
Guantanamo by year's end may not be the best plan considering the recidivism
rate of terrorist detainees is about 12 percent.

"If liberals believe they ought to go, maybe we ought to open Alcatraz,"
Boehner, R-Ohio, told NBC "Meet the Press." Being reminded that Alcatraz is
a national park, Boehner responded, "It's very secure."

The argument is just the latest iteration in an ongoing dispute over what to
do with the remaining 245 enemy combatants who were to be tried in military
commissions until a stay was ordered by the president last week in one of
his first official acts.

Boehner said the promise to close Guantanamo by year's end is impractical.

"Unilaterally saying it without knowing how were going to deal with
themââ,¬Â¦keeps a campaign promise, but may be irresponsible," he said.

But Pelosi called the plan to use the next year to review the case of each
detainee is "brilliant."

"What the president put forth was very wise. He said he's going to close
Guantanamo, take the time to do it. You can't just go down there today and
say, 'Everybody out,' and lock the door. They're going to review the cases,
narrow it down and then go from there. ... It's brilliant," she said on
ABC's "This Week."

Vice President Biden, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," said the prison
must be closed because the symbolism of Guantanamo around the world has
resulted in the growth of terrorist organizations, not their reduction.

"There's no question it has to be closed. And we don't think it's
inconsistent to deal with our national security and our Constitution. ...
That's why we have the White House counsel -- Mr. Craig is now going through
this meticulously, deciding what we're going to do with each and every
prisoner," he said.

Biden added that if the detainees went through the civilian court system and
were somehow released, they still would not be sent out into the United
States because all but one is an American citizen

"If they are not a U.S. citizen or if they are not here legally, then, even
if they were released by a federal judge, they would not be able to stay
here in the United States. They would be sent back to their country of
origin. They would not stay here," Biden said.

"They have no legal status to stay here, I don't anticipate that happening.
What I anticipate happening is that those people who are in a situation
where it is either the evidence is in question or it's going to be hard to
make a case, we will most likely be rendering them back to their countries
of origin or another country," he continued, adding that some countries have
already agreed to establish prison facilities for the detainees.

[Sid9]

Post by MioMyo
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/25/pelosi-shrugs-alcatraz-possible-terror-detention-facility/
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday shrugged off Republican suggestions
that the federal government reopen Alcatraz prison in her San Francisco
district to house detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
President Obama this week signed an executive order calling for the
closure of the prison at Guantanamo within the year. Republican Rep. Bill
Young then suggested to White House counsel Greg Craig that the prisoners
who could not be released back to their home countries or sent to a third
country be put up in "the Rock," the famous military installation and
prison that closed down in 1963 and is now part of the National Park
Service.
Asked whether that was a serious proposal, Pelosi said, "It is -- no."
"Perhaps he's not visited Alcatraz," Pelosi said of Young while displaying
little sense of humor. "Alcatraz is a tourist attraction. It's a prison
that is now sort of like a -- it's a national park."
That explanation didn't stop House Minority Leader John Boehner from
repeating the suggestion on Sunday, making that point that closing down
Guantanamo by year's end may not be the best plan considering the
recidivism rate of terrorist detainees is about 12 percent.
"If liberals believe they ought to go, maybe we ought to open Alcatraz,"
Boehner, R-Ohio, told NBC "Meet the Press." Being reminded that Alcatraz
is a national park, Boehner responded, "It's very secure."
The argument is just the latest iteration in an ongoing dispute over what
to do with the remaining 245 enemy combatants who were to be tried in
military commissions until a stay was ordered by the president last week
in one of his first official acts.
Boehner said the promise to close Guantanamo by year's end is impractical.
"Unilaterally saying it without knowing how were going to deal with
themââ,¬ÂŠkeeps a campaign promise, but may be irresponsible," he said.
But Pelosi called the plan to use the next year to review the case of each
detainee is "brilliant."
"What the president put forth was very wise. He said he's going to close
Guantanamo, take the time to do it. You can't just go down there today and
say, 'Everybody out,' and lock the door. They're going to review the
cases, narrow it down and then go from there. ... It's brilliant," she
said on ABC's "This Week."
Vice President Biden, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," said the prison
must be closed because the symbolism of Guantanamo around the world has
resulted in the growth of terrorist organizations, not their reduction.
"There's no question it has to be closed. And we don't think it's
inconsistent to deal with our national security and our Constitution. ...
That's why we have the White House counsel -- Mr. Craig is now going
through this meticulously, deciding what we're going to do with each and
every prisoner," he said.
Biden added that if the detainees went through the civilian court system
and were somehow released, they still would not be sent out into the
United States because all but one is an American citizen
"If they are not a U.S. citizen or if they are not here legally, then,
even if they were released by a federal judge, they would not be able to
stay here in the United States. They would be sent back to their country
of origin. They would not stay here," Biden said.
"They have no legal status to stay here, I don't anticipate that
happening. What I anticipate happening is that those people who are in a
situation where it is either the evidence is in question or it's going to
be hard to make a case, we will most likely be rendering them back to
their countries of origin or another country," he continued, adding that
some countries have already agreed to establish prison facilities for the
detainees.

RRRs have failed attacking Obama so they create meaningless attacks on
Pelosi!

[P***@SillyWalk.com]

On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:01:46 -0400, "Sid9"

Post by Sid9
RRRs have failed attacking Obama so they create meaningless attacks on
Pelosi!

More important---Whineo actually doesn't see the
propaganda

[Bob Eld]

Post by MioMyo
http://youtu.be/2p1t9vi_mc8

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/25/pelosi-shrugs-alcatraz-possible-t
error-detention-facility/

Post by MioMyo
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday shrugged off Republican suggestions
that the federal government reopen Alcatraz prison in her San Francisco
district to house detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
President Obama this week signed an executive order calling for the closure
of the prison at Guantanamo within the year. Republican Rep. Bill Young then
suggested to White House counsel Greg Craig that the prisoners who could not
be released back to their home countries or sent to a third country be put
up in "the Rock," the famous military installation and prison that closed
down in 1963 and is now part of the National Park Service.
Asked whether that was a serious proposal, Pelosi said, "It is -- no."
"Perhaps he's not visited Alcatraz," Pelosi said of Young while displaying
little sense of humor. "Alcatraz is a tourist attraction. It's a prison that
is now sort of like a -- it's a national park."
That explanation didn't stop House Minority Leader John Boehner from
repeating the suggestion on Sunday, making that point that closing down
Guantanamo by year's end may not be the best plan considering the recidivism
rate of terrorist detainees is about 12 percent.
"If liberals believe they ought to go, maybe we ought to open Alcatraz,"
Boehner, R-Ohio, told NBC "Meet the Press." Being reminded that Alcatraz is
a national park, Boehner responded, "It's very secure."
The argument is just the latest iteration in an ongoing dispute over what to
do with the remaining 245 enemy combatants who were to be tried in military
commissions until a stay was ordered by the president last week in one of
his first official acts.
Boehner said the promise to close Guantanamo by year's end is impractical.
"Unilaterally saying it without knowing how were going to deal with
themââ,¬ÂŠkeeps a campaign promise, but may be irresponsible," he said.
But Pelosi called the plan to use the next year to review the case of each
detainee is "brilliant."
"What the president put forth was very wise. He said he's going to close
Guantanamo, take the time to do it. You can't just go down there today and
say, 'Everybody out,' and lock the door. They're going to review the cases,
narrow it down and then go from there. ... It's brilliant," she said on
ABC's "This Week."
Vice President Biden, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," said the prison
must be closed because the symbolism of Guantanamo around the world has
resulted in the growth of terrorist organizations, not their reduction.
"There's no question it has to be closed. And we don't think it's
inconsistent to deal with our national security and our Constitution. ...
That's why we have the White House counsel -- Mr. Craig is now going through
this meticulously, deciding what we're going to do with each and every
prisoner," he said.
Biden added that if the detainees went through the civilian court system and
were somehow released, they still would not be sent out into the United
States because all but one is an American citizen
"If they are not a U.S. citizen or if they are not here legally, then, even
if they were released by a federal judge, they would not be able to stay
here in the United States. They would be sent back to their country of
origin. They would not stay here," Biden said.
"They have no legal status to stay here, I don't anticipate that happening.
What I anticipate happening is that those people who are in a situation
where it is either the evidence is in question or it's going to be hard to
make a case, we will most likely be rendering them back to their countries
of origin or another country," he continued, adding that some countries have
already agreed to establish prison facilities for the detainees.

Only "Boner" would come up with something as ridiculous as Alcatraz. It's
not only a tourist attraction but it is a rusted hulk because of the ravages
of salt water on it over the years. It's a 19th century relic and not
suitable as a prison today. But, bone head Boner wouldn't know that being a
stupid republican. However there are many places in California where federal
prisoners could be housed. Only kiss-ass pansy republican fear monger are
afraid of these evil Muslims oooooo. I'm afraid, I'm afraid! Christ, the
whole thing is more idiotic republican crap. Ten times more people have died
in swimming pools that have ever been killed by terrorist but the
republicans are still afraid of these spooky Muslims.Silly bastards!

[MioMyo]

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http://youtu.be/2p1t9vi_mc8

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/25/pelosi-shrugs-alcatraz-possible-t
error-detention-facility/

Post by MioMyo
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday shrugged off Republican suggestions
that the federal government reopen Alcatraz prison in her San Francisco
district to house detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
President Obama this week signed an executive order calling for the

closure

Post by MioMyo
of the prison at Guantanamo within the year. Republican Rep. Bill Young

then

Post by MioMyo
suggested to White House counsel Greg Craig that the prisoners who could

not

Post by MioMyo
be released back to their home countries or sent to a third country be put
up in "the Rock," the famous military installation and prison that closed
down in 1963 and is now part of the National Park Service.
Asked whether that was a serious proposal, Pelosi said, "It is -- no."
"Perhaps he's not visited Alcatraz," Pelosi said of Young while displaying
little sense of humor. "Alcatraz is a tourist attraction. It's a prison

that

Post by MioMyo
is now sort of like a -- it's a national park."
That explanation didn't stop House Minority Leader John Boehner from
repeating the suggestion on Sunday, making that point that closing down
Guantanamo by year's end may not be the best plan considering the

recidivism

Post by MioMyo
rate of terrorist detainees is about 12 percent.
"If liberals believe they ought to go, maybe we ought to open Alcatraz,"
Boehner, R-Ohio, told NBC "Meet the Press." Being reminded that Alcatraz

is

Post by MioMyo
a national park, Boehner responded, "It's very secure."
The argument is just the latest iteration in an ongoing dispute over what

to

Post by MioMyo
do with the remaining 245 enemy combatants who were to be tried in

military

Post by MioMyo
commissions until a stay was ordered by the president last week in one of
his first official acts.
Boehner said the promise to close Guantanamo by year's end is
impractical.
"Unilaterally saying it without knowing how were going to deal with
themââ,¬Â¦keeps a campaign promise, but may be irresponsible," he said.
But Pelosi called the plan to use the next year to review the case of each
detainee is "brilliant."
"What the president put forth was very wise. He said he's going to close
Guantanamo, take the time to do it. You can't just go down there today and
say, 'Everybody out,' and lock the door. They're going to review the

cases,

Post by MioMyo
narrow it down and then go from there. ... It's brilliant," she said on
ABC's "This Week."
Vice President Biden, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," said the prison
must be closed because the symbolism of Guantanamo around the world has
resulted in the growth of terrorist organizations, not their reduction.
"There's no question it has to be closed. And we don't think it's
inconsistent to deal with our national security and our Constitution. ...
That's why we have the White House counsel -- Mr. Craig is now going

through

Post by MioMyo
this meticulously, deciding what we're going to do with each and every
prisoner," he said.
Biden added that if the detainees went through the civilian court system

and

Post by MioMyo
were somehow released, they still would not be sent out into the United
States because all but one is an American citizen
"If they are not a U.S. citizen or if they are not here legally, then,

even

Post by MioMyo
if they were released by a federal judge, they would not be able to stay
here in the United States. They would be sent back to their country of
origin. They would not stay here," Biden said.
"They have no legal status to stay here, I don't anticipate that

happening.

Post by MioMyo
What I anticipate happening is that those people who are in a situation
where it is either the evidence is in question or it's going to be hard to
make a case, we will most likely be rendering them back to their countries
of origin or another country," he continued, adding that some countries

have

Post by MioMyo
already agreed to establish prison facilities for the detainees.

Only "Boner" would come up with something as ridiculous as Alcatraz.

Where then TARD?

Instead of just being a NIMBY bafoon, maybe you'd like to actually come up
with a place to move the detainees. Libtards like you can never see the
hypocrisy in demanding the world bend over to their will, yet never have
solutions to the problems they themselves create....

Post by MioMyo
It's
not only a tourist attraction but it is a rusted hulk because of the ravages
of salt water on it over the years. It's a 19th century relic and not
suitable as a prison today. But, bone head Boner wouldn't know that being a
stupid republican. However there are many places in California where federal
prisoners could be housed. Only kiss-ass pansy republican fear monger are
afraid of these evil Muslims oooooo.

So you're inviting a few to come sleep over with you? Good......

Post by MioMyo
I'm afraid, I'm afraid! Christ, the
whole thing is more idiotic republican crap. Ten times more people have died
in swimming pools that have ever been killed by terrorist but the
republicans are still afraid of these spooky Muslims.Silly bastards!

It's settle then, you can expect your first one tomorrow!

[Bob Eld]

Post by MioMyo
Where then TARD?

The brig at camp Penelton for all I care.

Post by MioMyo
Instead of just being a NIMBY bafoon, maybe you'd like to actually come up
with a place to move the detainees. Libtards like you can never see the
hypocrisy in demanding the world bend over to their will, yet never have
solutions to the problems they themselves create....

There's a Montana town with an unoccupied prison who wants to take them.

Post by MioMyo
So you're inviting a few to come sleep over with you? Good......

I'm not a pansy assed republican and am NOT afraid of these bastards.
They're the kind of jackasses that attack with box cutters, hijack airplanes
then commit suicide trying to crash the plane. Or, they blow themselves up
with suicide belts or plant bombs to be fired by cell phone. Bad assed
aren't they? Only republican cowards are afraid of such characters. They are
little threat to me and could NEVER stand up to me. Why you clowns are so
cowered by these guys is beyond me. I guess you just buy into Cheney's fear
mongering. Maybe its time to grow a pair and not be such a sniveling
republican wimp!

[Joe King Eu]

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Where then TARD?

The brig at camp Penelton for all I care.

Post by MioMyo
Instead of just being a NIMBY bafoon, maybe you'd like to actually come up
with a place to move the detainees. Libtards like you can never see the
hypocrisy in demanding the world bend over to their will, yet never have
solutions to the problems they themselves create....

There's a Montana town with an unoccupied prison who wants to take them.

Post by MioMyo
So you're inviting a few to come sleep over with you? Good......

I'm not a pansy assed republican and am NOT afraid of these bastards.
They're the kind of jackasses that attack with box cutters, hijack airplanes
then commit suicide trying to crash the plane. Or, they blow themselves up
with suicide belts or plant bombs to be fired by cell phone. Bad assed
aren't they? Only republican cowards are afraid of such characters. They are
little threat to me and could NEVER stand up to me. Why you clowns are so
cowered by these guys is beyond me. I guess you just buy into Cheney's fear
mongering. Maybe its time to grow a pair and not be such a sniveling
republican wimp!

You know, liberals would gain a little credibility if they'd simply come up
with a practical solution of what to do with the detainees after closing
Gitmo. Liberals seem to think these poor souls need to be taken care of but
don't want them anywhere near there stomping grounds. Since liberals seem so
concerned about giving those who aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions
then let's cover rthem but the pertinent portions. The majority of the so
called non combatants were involved in circumstances where they where an
armed, ununiformed and unidentified military force. Those who meet those
conditions are considered spies and can be executed for such. Any others
deemed to be releasable should be returned to their home country regardless
of how that country would treat them.
Liberals seem to have this goofy idea that if we simply treat others
really, really nice then they will really, really like us. I'm sorry but it
is liberal thought that erroneously believes we are something we aren't.
This is a tough world and personally, I'n glad as hell it is the US who is
calling the shots in this world rather than China, Russia, some Muslim or
African nation.

[MioMyo]

Post by Joe King Eu

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
Where then TARD?

The brig at camp Penelton for all I care.

Post by MioMyo
Instead of just being a NIMBY bafoon, maybe you'd like to actually come up
with a place to move the detainees. Libtards like you can never see the
hypocrisy in demanding the world bend over to their will, yet never
have
solutions to the problems they themselves create....

There's a Montana town with an unoccupied prison who wants to take them.

Post by MioMyo
So you're inviting a few to come sleep over with you? Good......

I'm not a pansy assed republican and am NOT afraid of these bastards.
They're the kind of jackasses that attack with box cutters, hijack airplanes
then commit suicide trying to crash the plane. Or, they blow themselves up
with suicide belts or plant bombs to be fired by cell phone. Bad assed
aren't they? Only republican cowards are afraid of such characters. They are
little threat to me and could NEVER stand up to me. Why you clowns are so
cowered by these guys is beyond me. I guess you just buy into Cheney's
fear
mongering. Maybe its time to grow a pair and not be such a sniveling
republican wimp!

You know, liberals would gain a little credibility if they'd simply come up
with a practical solution of what to do with the detainees after closing
Gitmo. Liberals seem to think these poor souls need to be taken care of
but
don't want them anywhere near there stomping grounds. Since liberals seem
so
concerned about giving those who aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions
then let's cover rthem but the pertinent portions. The majority of the so
called non combatants were involved in circumstances where they where an
armed, ununiformed and unidentified military force. Those who meet those
conditions are considered spies and can be executed for such. Any others
deemed to be releasable should be returned to their home country regardless
of how that country would treat them.
Liberals seem to have this goofy idea that if we simply treat others
really, really nice then they will really, really like us. I'm sorry but
it
is liberal thought that erroneously believes we are something we aren't.
This is a tough world and personally, I'n glad as hell it is the US who is
calling the shots in this world rather than China, Russia, some Muslim or
African nation.

<>You have a cartoonish view of the world and of liberals. Put the
<>terrorists in that prison in Montana that is begging to take them.
<>I'll take them here in Colorado. I don't care. Yer nutz if you think
<>liberals believe if we treat other people nice, they'll like us. We
<>know there are bad people and we need to kill them or be killed.

Actually it's liberals who have the distorted view of the world. They argue
when someone points out their nonsense is to concoct more strawman lies such
as the one being perpetrated here that somehow those who dispute their tripe
are trembling with fear- as if protecting Americans from jihadist who
have/would kill Americans is somehow a notion of fear. I believe it's
liberals' perverted need to feel superior that fuels such irrational
behavior.

Liberals also usually run away from the core arguments especially when they
can't dispute said cogent points with anything other than more strawman
nonsense and/or liberal illogic. Liberals feverishly spew their "cartoonish"
nonsense (to quote & mock this idiot above) when force fed their own
hypocrisy. Take for instance the Imperial Princess Pelosi's attack on the
CIA when she accused them of lying. Can anyone earnestly argue lemming
followers of the princess can accept that she lied- NO WAY? When everyone
else can see that the princess lied, these useful idiots just attack those
who would force their liberal establish that fact.

And now laughably, this above liberal thinks he has the solution to where to
put the GITMO detainees even though no one in congress (dem, rep and ind)
wants them in their jurisdiction as the recent vote in the senate proves.
But don't expect liberal lemming morons on Usenet to ever acknowledge that
fact.

<>We just think you rightards completely FUCKED IT UP and made it worse.

Think what you will libtard. Your needs to view everyone who disagrees with
you politically as backwoods hillbillies is your problem. That's why this
very notion of yours (the right f_cked things up) is nothing short of
another strawman which allows you (to think anyway) that you can avoid
debating the issues just by the making of such a simpleton claim. More
inquiring minds than yours know better libtard......

[Bob Eld]

Post by Joe King Eu
You know, liberals would gain a little credibility if they'd simply come up
with a practical solution of what to do with the detainees after closing
Gitmo. Liberals seem to think these poor souls need to be taken care of but
don't want them anywhere near there stomping grounds. Since liberals seem so
concerned about giving those who aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions
then let's cover rthem but the pertinent portions. The majority of the so
called non combatants were involved in circumstances where they where an
armed, ununiformed and unidentified military force. Those who meet those
conditions are considered spies and can be executed for such. Any others
deemed to be releasable should be returned to their home country regardless
of how that country would treat them.
Liberals seem to have this goofy idea that if we simply treat others
really, really nice then they will really, really like us. I'm sorry but it
is liberal thought that erroneously believes we are something we aren't.
This is a tough world and personally, I'n glad as hell it is the US who is
calling the shots in this world rather than China, Russia, some Muslim or
African nation.

You have no clue what a LIBERAL even is because apparently you get your
distorted view from Limbaugh and Hannity two uneducated former disc jockeys
with big mouths. I would remind you that LIBERAL leadership brought us
through WWII and did it in 3 1/2 years with total victory. No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we constantly
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually wage
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies and all
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no infrastructure
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

[MioMyo]

Post by Joe King Eu

Post by Joe King Eu
You know, liberals would gain a little credibility if they'd simply come

up

Post by Joe King Eu
with a practical solution of what to do with the detainees after closing
Gitmo. Liberals seem to think these poor souls need to be taken care of

but

Post by Joe King Eu
don't want them anywhere near there stomping grounds. Since liberals
seem

so

Post by Joe King Eu
concerned about giving those who aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions
then let's cover rthem but the pertinent portions. The majority of the

so

Post by Joe King Eu
called non combatants were involved in circumstances where they where an
armed, ununiformed and unidentified military force. Those who meet those
conditions are considered spies and can be executed for such. Any others
deemed to be releasable should be returned to their home country

regardless

Post by Joe King Eu
of how that country would treat them.
Liberals seem to have this goofy idea that if we simply treat others
really, really nice then they will really, really like us. I'm sorry
but

it

Post by Joe King Eu
is liberal thought that erroneously believes we are something we aren't.
This is a tough world and personally, I'n glad as hell it is the US who is
calling the shots in this world rather than China, Russia, some Muslim or
African nation.

You have no clue what a LIBERAL even is because apparently you get your
distorted view from Limbaugh and Hannity two uneducated former disc jockeys
with big mouths. I would remind you that LIBERAL leadership brought us
through WWII and did it in 3 1/2 years with total victory.

You're living in yester-year, libtard. The world has changed which is why a
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they, themselves
tell us they will.

Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames them
& is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the jihadists had
declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by Clinton.

Post by Joe King Eu
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we constantly
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually wage
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies and all

Reagan won the cold war you idiot though I know you will deny it to your
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent proportions....

Post by Joe King Eu
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no infrastructure

Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese claiming they
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in traps
and explosives; tunnel rats etc.

Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too big a
coward & never will.

Post by Joe King Eu
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.

Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no nation
and not in uniform.

[Sid9]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu

Post by Joe King Eu
You know, liberals would gain a little credibility if they'd simply come

up

Post by Joe King Eu
with a practical solution of what to do with the detainees after closing
Gitmo. Liberals seem to think these poor souls need to be taken care of

but

Post by Joe King Eu
don't want them anywhere near there stomping grounds. Since liberals
seem

so

Post by Joe King Eu
concerned about giving those who aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions
then let's cover rthem but the pertinent portions. The majority of the

so

Post by Joe King Eu
called non combatants were involved in circumstances where they where an
armed, ununiformed and unidentified military force. Those who meet those
conditions are considered spies and can be executed for such. Any others
deemed to be releasable should be returned to their home country

regardless

Post by Joe King Eu
of how that country would treat them.
Liberals seem to have this goofy idea that if we simply treat others
really, really nice then they will really, really like us. I'm sorry
but

it

Post by Joe King Eu
is liberal thought that erroneously believes we are something we aren't.
This is a tough world and personally, I'n glad as hell it is the US who is
calling the shots in this world rather than China, Russia, some Muslim or
African nation.

You have no clue what a LIBERAL even is because apparently you get your
distorted view from Limbaugh and Hannity two uneducated former disc jockeys
with big mouths. I would remind you that LIBERAL leadership brought us
through WWII and did it in 3 1/2 years with total victory.

You're living in yester-year, libtard. The world has changed which is why
a handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they,
themselves tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames
them & is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the
jihadists had declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies
to fight back from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by
Clinton.

Republicans `turned America into a shrinking trembling jelly.
Our response to 9/11 was pure cowardice.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we constantly
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually wage
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies and all

Reagan won the cold war you idiot though I know you will deny it to your
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent
proportions....

The same Reagan myth. The Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse,
something the CIA should have explained to the senile president.....instead
he wasted America's strength with an unnecessary rearmament.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no infrastructure

Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese claiming they
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in
traps and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too big
a coward & never will.

The Vietnam war was a stupid attempt my us to support European colonialism
disguised as an anti-Communist war.
Post WWII colonialism was dead. We were taken in with a false anti-Communist
`zeal

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no
nation and not in uniform.

We did not handle them within US law. Republicans bush,jr and Cheney ignored
our laws and created GTMO.

Now we pay.

[MioMyo]

Post by Sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu

Post by Joe King Eu
You know, liberals would gain a little credibility if they'd simply come

up

Post by Joe King Eu
with a practical solution of what to do with the detainees after closing
Gitmo. Liberals seem to think these poor souls need to be taken care of

but

Post by Joe King Eu
don't want them anywhere near there stomping grounds. Since liberals
seem

so

Post by Joe King Eu
concerned about giving those who aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions
then let's cover rthem but the pertinent portions. The majority of the

so

Post by Joe King Eu
called non combatants were involved in circumstances where they where an
armed, ununiformed and unidentified military force. Those who meet those
conditions are considered spies and can be executed for such. Any others
deemed to be releasable should be returned to their home country

regardless

Post by Joe King Eu
of how that country would treat them.
Liberals seem to have this goofy idea that if we simply treat others
really, really nice then they will really, really like us. I'm sorry
but

it

Post by Joe King Eu
is liberal thought that erroneously believes we are something we aren't.
This is a tough world and personally, I'n glad as hell it is the US who is
calling the shots in this world rather than China, Russia, some Muslim or
African nation.

You have no clue what a LIBERAL even is because apparently you get your
distorted view from Limbaugh and Hannity two uneducated former disc jockeys
with big mouths. I would remind you that LIBERAL leadership brought us
through WWII and did it in 3 1/2 years with total victory.

You're living in yester-year, libtard. The world has changed which is why
a handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they,
themselves tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames
them & is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the
jihadists had declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies
to fight back from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by
Clinton.

Republicans `turned America into a shrinking trembling jelly.
Our response to 9/11 was pure cowardice.

No, doing nothing like Clinton was cowardice.....

Oh that's right, he pursued a couple form WTC in 1994, but let the leader
Bin Laden go free. he also ignored several other attacks on America during
his tenure.

We can expect more of the same from bamby......

Post by Sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we constantly
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually wage
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies and all

Reagan won the cold war you idiot though I know you will deny it to your
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent
proportions....

The same Reagan myth. The Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse,

And why was that, libtard? The same has been said about Cuba, but what was
it that put the USSR over the top.

I know it's like pulling teeth from you libtards even though you know the
truth.

But go on with your delusional theories, tard. The fact that Reagan brought
the USSR to its knees isn't even disputed by the Liberal Press....

Post by Sid9
something the CIA should have explained to the senile
president.....instead he wasted America's strength with an unnecessary
rearmament.

Your 2% minority opinion is so noted.....

Post by Sid9

Post by MioMyo

Post by Joe King Eu
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no
infrastructure

Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese claiming they
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in
traps and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing.
Let me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too
big a coward & never will.

The Vietnam war was a stupid attempt my us to support European colonialism
disguised as an anti-Communist war.

Your point is?

Post by Sid9
Post WWII colonialism was dead. We were taken in with a false
anti-Communist `zeal

Is there a point to dispute here? Looks like that little war start by
Kennedy & Johnson against a country which posed no threat to America didn't
go to well!

BTW- you didn't conveniently forget that both Johnson & Kennedy were dems,
right, tard?

Post by Sid9

Post by MioMyo
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in

Post by Joe King Eu
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no
nation and not in uniform.

We did not handle them within US law. Republicans bush,jr and Cheney
ignored our laws and created GTMO.

You avoided the point and also lied. We did handle them in accordance with
US Law and the Geneva Convention, tard. OTOH, the jihadist fight according
to their own 10th century rules.

Post by Sid9
Now we pay.

PROOF?

And before you answer I will... There's is NONE. There's only Liberal
talking points that keep stating this STRAWMAN LIE over & over again. But
you are welcome to post your delusions tard....

[Bob Eld]

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear device and does have a
million man army.

The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they, themselves
tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames them
& is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the jihadists had
declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going??? And now Iraq is blowing up again.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we constantly
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually wage
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies and all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie . The Soviet Union collapsed of its own
weight and would have done so Reagan or no Reagan. Of course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all, the CIA missed it. They
really had their eyes on the pulse of the USSR.


you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent

proportions....

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no

infrastructure

Post by MioMyo
Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they also had no large scale
infrastructure and could never wage war on us here. We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come here. I agree a rag tag
band of ill-equipped insurgents can and do wage effective war against a
powerful military because $100 worth of explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't do it across oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring the fight to them.


claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in traps
and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too big a
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri.
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but they already know how
ineffective Bush and Cheney were. Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out stinging anything in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched. That's the way republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no concept of how to get those
responsible. Just wage indiscriminate war like a bunch of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no nation
and not in uniform.

[MioMyo]

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear device and does have a
million man army.
The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they,

themselves

Post by MioMyo
tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames

them

Post by MioMyo
& is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the jihadists

had

Post by MioMyo
declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going??? And now Iraq is blowing up again.

How many more towers did you see fall during his tenure... or how about
embassies bombed or ships llike the Cole attacked?

I know we lost brave soldiers in the war and may God bless their souls for
having the courage to protect your right to trash them. Still Freedom ain't
Free, tard-face...

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we

constantly

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually

wage

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies
and
all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie . The Soviet Union collapsed of its own
weight and would have done so Reagan or no Reagan. Of course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all, the CIA missed it. They
really had their eyes on the pulse of the USSR.

The recisionism is all from the left, like move-on, the daily-kos and other
fringe leftist. Even the majority of dems in congress don't agree with your
radical revisionist history, tard....

Post by Bob Eld
you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent

proportions....

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no

infrastructure

Post by MioMyo
Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they also had no large scale
infrastructure and could never wage war on us here. We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come here. I agree a rag tag
band of ill-equipped insurgents can and do wage effective war against a
powerful military because $100 worth of explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't do it across oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring the fight to them.

They can't? Well they already did, tard. You do remember 9-11?

Post by Bob Eld
claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in

traps

Post by MioMyo
and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too big

a

Post by MioMyo
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri.

So what would that mean, the war would be over? In WWII, Hitler wan't
captured and killed until the end. So according to your logic, maybe allied
forces should have given up half way........

Post by Bob Eld
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but they already know how
ineffective Bush and Cheney were.

Bamby said he's get em. How's that going? Oh that's right, I'll remind you
of that every few months cause we all know he's doing nothing.....

Post by Bob Eld
Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out stinging anything in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched. That's the way republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no concept of how to get those
responsible. Just wage indiscriminate war like a bunch of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Tell us about your military credencials genius? I don't need to know about
what you think in retrospect either, I want to know about your military
education, experiences and successes?

I'll make it easy.... YOU HAVE NONE!

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no

nation

Post by MioMyo
and not in uniform.

[Sid9]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear device and does have a
million man army.
The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they,

themselves

Post by MioMyo
tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames

them

Post by MioMyo
& is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the jihadists

had

Post by MioMyo
declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going??? And now Iraq is blowing up again.

How many more towers did you see fall during his tenure... or how about
embassies bombed or ships llike the Cole attacked?
I know we lost brave soldiers in the war and may God bless their souls for
having the courage to protect your right to trash them. Still Freedom
ain't Free, tard-face...

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we

constantly

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
hear. That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually

wage

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies
and
all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie . The Soviet Union collapsed of its own
weight and would have done so Reagan or no Reagan. Of course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all, the CIA missed it. They
really had their eyes on the pulse of the USSR.

The recisionism is all from the left, like move-on, the daily-kos and
other fringe leftist. Even the majority of dems in congress don't agree
with your radical revisionist history, tard....

Post by Bob Eld
you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent

proportions....

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no

infrastructure

Post by MioMyo
Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they also had no large scale
infrastructure and could never wage war on us here. We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come here. I agree a rag tag
band of ill-equipped insurgents can and do wage effective war against a
powerful military because $100 worth of explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't do it across oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring the fight to them.

They can't? Well they already did, tard. You do remember 9-11?

Post by Bob Eld
claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in

traps

Post by MioMyo
and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too big

a

Post by MioMyo
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri.

So what would that mean, the war would be over? In WWII, Hitler wan't
captured and killed until the end. So according to your logic, maybe
allied forces should have given up half way........

Post by Bob Eld
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but they already know how
ineffective Bush and Cheney were.

Bamby said he's get em. How's that going? Oh that's right, I'll remind you
of that every few months cause we all know he's doing nothing.....

Post by Bob Eld
Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out stinging anything in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched. That's the way republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no concept of how to get those
responsible. Just wage indiscriminate war like a bunch of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Tell us about your military credencials genius? I don't need to know about
what you think in retrospect either, I want to know about your military
education, experiences and successes?
I'll make it easy.... YOU HAVE NONE!

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no

nation

Post by MioMyo
and not in uniform.

You have until January 20, 2017 to continue to grumble.

[MioMyo]

Post by Sid9
You have until January 20, 2017 to continue to grumble.

And after that I suppose your side will have replaced the Constitution with
your new Liberal Fascist doctrine of acceptable behavior and group
think/speak?

[Sid9]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Sid9
You have until January 20, 2017 to continue to grumble.

And after that I suppose your side will have replaced the Constitution
with your new Liberal Fascist doctrine of acceptable behavior and group
think/speak?

Nope....bush,jr's insanity will have been replaced with reason....and you
will still be complaining.

[MioMyo]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

fascism
One entry found.

Main Entry:fas·cism
Pronunciation:\'fa-?shi-z?m also 'fa-?si-\
Function:noun
Etymology:Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin
fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:1921
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of
the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and
that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression
of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial
control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-'shis-tik also -'sis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(?-)le\ adverb often capitalized

Post by MioMyo
And after that I suppose your side will have replaced the
Constitution with
your new Liberal Fascist doctrine of acceptable behavior and group
think/speak?

You moron, YOU guys are the fascists. Liberalism is the enemy of
fascism. Yer the ones who wiped their asses on the Constitution for
eight years, remember?
Gawd, kooks, Gotta luv 'em!
*************************************
Political ideology is best described as "more
government vs less government".

False premise. There is oh so much more to it than that; that is NOT
the best description, it's merely your straw-man premise.

Farthest left is 100% government control.
Farthest right is 0% government control.

False. See: Nazi Germany.

Fascism/Communism/Socialism would
all be on the left of this scale.

False. Fascism IS the right side of the political scale. This is
simple definition, Boob.

Poor Boob, so few firing synapses.

Poor labotomy, can't even find a retuable web site. Everything to this
libtard must be filtered through leftist revisionism.....

NOTE THE PUBLIC EYE'S ADMITTED MISSION STATMENT
*****************************************
Political Research Associates is a progressive think tank devoted to
supporting movements that are building a more just and inclusive democratic
society. We expose movements, institutions, and ideologies that undermine
human rights.
*****************************************

Now see the on-line Merriam Websters definition above:

And the facts remain TRUE that liberal politics is most closely likened to
Fascism than another political party........

http://www.publiceye.org/glossary/glossary_big.html
Extreme Right: Militant insurgent groups that reject democracy, promote a
conscious ideology of supremacy, and support policies that would negate
basic human rights for members of a scapegoated group. These groups are
viewed as insurgent because they “reject the existing political system,
and pluralist institutions generally, in favor of some form of
authoritarianism.” (Berlet & Lyons, 2001).
Fascism and neofascism: Fascism is an especially virulent form of
far-right populism. Fascism glorifies national, racial, or cultural unity
and collective rebirth while seeking to purge imagined enemies, and
attacks both revolutionary movements and liberal pluralism in favor of
militarized, totalitarian mass politics. Fascism first crystallized in
Europe in response to the Bolshevik Revolution and the devastation of
World War I, and then spread to other parts of the world. If it is a
post-WWII occurrence it should be called neofascist or neofascism unless
it solely involves participants in older movements. Neofascists
reinterpret fascist ideology and strategy in various ways to fit new
circumstances.
Nazism and neonazism: Nazism is a form of fascism developed by Adolf
Hitler's National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party) and the
state it controlled in Germany and Europe from 1933 to 1945. Nazism was
defined by a doctrine of Aryan racial supremacy, demonization of the
so-called Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy, a program of German military
conquest, and systematic genocide against Jews and other people considered
racial enemies or racially inferior. Neonazism describes various post-WWII
political doctrines openly or secretly derived from Hitler's ideology,
including Christian Identity, the Third Position, National Alliance,
Church of the Creator, and others.

[MioMyo]

Post by MioMyo
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
fascism
One entry found.
Main Entry:fas·cism
Pronunciation:\'fa-?shi-z?m also 'fa-?si-\
Function:noun
Etymology:Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin
fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:1921
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of
the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and
that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression
of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial
control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·tic \fa-'shis-tik also -'sis-\ adjective often capitalized
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(?-)le\ adverb often capitalized

Post by MioMyo
And after that I suppose your side will have replaced the Constitution with
your new Liberal Fascist doctrine of acceptable behavior and group
think/speak?

You moron, YOU guys are the fascists. Liberalism is the enemy of
fascism. Yer the ones who wiped their asses on the Constitution for
eight years, remember?
Gawd, kooks, Gotta luv 'em!
*************************************
Political ideology is best described as "more
government vs less government".

False premise. There is oh so much more to it than that; that is NOT
the best description, it's merely your straw-man premise.

Farthest left is 100% government control.
Farthest right is 0% government control.

False. See: Nazi Germany.

Fascism/Communism/Socialism would
all be on the left of this scale.

False. Fascism IS the right side of the political scale. This is
simple definition, Boob.

Poor Boob, so few firing synapses.

Poor labotomy, can't even find a retuable web site. Everything to this
libtard must be filtered through leftist revisionism.....
NOTE THE PUBLIC EYE'S ADMITTED MISSION STATMENT
*****************************************
Political Research Associates is a progressive think tank devoted to
supporting movements that are building a more just and inclusive democratic
society. We expose movements, institutions, and ideologies that undermine
human rights.
*****************************************
And the facts remain TRUE that liberal politics is most closely likened to
Fascism than another political party........

<> You stupid fuckin' fascist, lookin' up in the DICTIONARY what is prima
<> facie true IRL!!

So you too accept labotomy's "Progressive Think Tank" definition I suppose?

ROFLMFAO.........

<> Fascism is rightarded, like you restupidcans. Q.E.D. And your

The left keep screaming this tripe while their radical leftist mantra mimics
Fascism......

What lying tards I've nailed you assholes to be!

<> dictionary description PERFECTLY describes today's Paliban-led GOP!

Wanna quote another left-wing think tank, ass-wipe? I'd love to kick your
ass some more!

[kujebak]

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear device and does have a
million man army.
The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they,

themselves

Post by MioMyo
tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending ourselves enflames

them

Post by MioMyo
& is a recruiting tool. That's utter BullShit considering the jihadists

had

Post by MioMyo
declared war on us long ago. At least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going???  And now Iraq is blowing up again.

How many more towers did you see fall during his tenure... or how about
embassies bombed or ships llike the Cole attacked?
I know we lost brave soldiers in the war and may God bless their souls for
having the courage to protect your right to trash them. Still Freedom
ain't Free, tard-face...

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the bull shit we

constantly

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
hear.  That was a time when we faced REAL enemies who could actually

wage

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
real war complete with all of the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks, ships, subs, guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies
and
all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie .  The Soviet Union collapsed of its own
weight and would have done so Reagan or no Reagan. Of course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all, the CIA missed it. They
really had their eyes on the pulse of the USSR.

The recisionism is all from the left, like move-on, the daily-kos and
other fringe leftist. Even the majority of dems in congress don't agree
with your radical revisionist history, tard....

Post by Bob Eld
you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans in the rank & file
which fought & died for their country against those real planes, tanks,
ships etc. You indeed are a complete buffoon of magnificent

proportions....

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They have no

infrastructure

Post by MioMyo
Americans made the same mistake about the North Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they also had no large scale
infrastructure and could never wage war on us here. We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come here. I agree a rag tag
band of ill-equipped insurgents can and do wage effective war against a
powerful military because $100 worth of explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't do it across oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring the fight to them.

They can't? Well they already did, tard. You do remember 9-11?

Post by Bob Eld
claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But indeed, they were extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass numbers, but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like ration cans- used in

traps

Post by MioMyo
and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead they are nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both know you are too big

a

Post by MioMyo
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri.

So what would that mean, the war would be over? In WWII, Hitler wan't
captured and killed until the end. So according to your logic, maybe
allied forces should have given up half way........

Post by Bob Eld
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but they already know how
ineffective Bush and Cheney were.

Bamby said he's get em. How's that going? Oh that's right, I'll remind you
of that every few months cause we all know he's doing nothing.....

Post by Bob Eld
Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out stinging anything in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched. That's the way republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no concept of how to get those
responsible. Just wage indiscriminate war like a bunch of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Tell us about your military credencials genius? I don't need to know about
what you think in retrospect either, I want to know about your military
education, experiences and successes?
I'll make it easy.... YOU HAVE NONE!

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be afraid of them and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler incarnate is the height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a pair of cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about enemies fighting for no

nation

Post by MioMyo
and not in uniform.

You have until January 20,2017to continue to grumble.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

GM is going to be reorganized by a bankruptcy judge.
GM's bondholders are going to prevail in court and get
a just settlement. Obamai s going to be thrown away
like a dirty rag in four years for his mismanagement of
the economy. The only question is what kind of country
will the Republicans inherit in 2013. A country of tra-
ditional American values, or a country of irredeemable
economic parasites. That might well become Obama's
ultimate legacy.

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by kujebak

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear
device and
does have a million man army.
The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed
3,000 in the
WTC. To dismiss that they couldn't do that again
defies logic
since they, themselves tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending
ourselves
enflames them & is a recruiting tool. That's utter
BullShit
considering the jihadists had declared war on us
long ago. At
least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid
by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going??? And now Iraq is
blowing up
again.

How many more towers did you see fall during his
tenure... or how
about embassies bombed or ships llike the Cole
attacked?
I know we lost brave soldiers in the war and may God
bless their
souls for having the courage to protect your right to
trash them.
Still Freedom ain't Free, tard-face...

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the
bull shit
we constantly hear. That was a time when we faced
REAL
enemies who could actually wage real war complete
with all of
the infrastructure that implies. Planes, tanks,
ships, subs,
guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies
and
all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie . The Soviet Union
collapsed of
its own weight and would have done so Reagan or no
Reagan. Of
course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all, the
CIA missed
it. They really had their eyes on the pulse of the
USSR.

The recisionism is all from the left, like move-on,
the daily-kos
and other fringe leftist. Even the majority of dems in
congress
don't agree with your radical revisionist history,
tard....

Post by Bob Eld
you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans
in the
rank & file which fought & died for their country
against those
real planes, tanks, ships etc. You indeed are a
complete
buffoon of magnificent proportions....

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They
have no
infrastructure

Americans made the same mistake about the North
Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they also
had no
large scale infrastructure and could never wage war
on us here.
We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come
here. I agree
a rag tag band of ill-equipped insurgents can and do
wage
effective war against a powerful military because
$100 worth of
explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't do it
across
oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring the
fight to
them.

They can't? Well they already did, tard. You do
remember 9-11?

Post by Bob Eld
claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But
indeed, they were
extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass
numbers,
but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like
ration cans-
used in traps and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead
they are
nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both
know you
are too big

a

Post by MioMyo
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught Bin
Laden or Al
Zawahiri.

So what would that mean, the war would be over? In
WWII, Hitler
wan't captured and killed until the end. So according
to your
logic, maybe allied forces should have given up half
way........

Post by Bob Eld
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but they
already know
how ineffective Bush and Cheney were.

Bamby said he's get em. How's that going? Oh that's
right, I'll
remind you of that every few months cause we all know
he's doing
nothing.....

Post by Bob Eld
Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out
stinging anything
in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched.
That's the way
republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no concept
of how to
get those responsible. Just wage indiscriminate war
like a bunch
of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Tell us about your military credencials genius? I
don't need to
know about what you think in retrospect either, I want
to know
about your military education, experiences and
successes?
I'll make it easy.... YOU HAVE NONE!

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be
afraid of them
and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler
incarnate is the
height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a
pair of
cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of
the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about
enemies fighting
for no nation and not in uniform.

You have until January 20,2017to continue to grumble.-
Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -

GM is going to be reorganized by a bankruptcy judge.
GM's bondholders are going to prevail in court and get
a just settlement. Obamai s going to be thrown away
like a dirty rag in four years for his mismanagement of
the economy.

Right, and denial is a river in Egypt.

Post by kujebak
The only question is what kind of country
will the Republicans inherit in 2013.

The only question is if there will be a Republican Party in
2013.

Post by kujebak
A country of tra-
ditional American values, or a country of irredeemable
economic parasites. That might well become Obama's
ultimate legacy.

Obama's ultimate legacy will be his rescue of the economy
from the jaws of depression, his saving capitalism in this
country just as FDR did, and his total destruction of the
GOP.

http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x1393572960/Recession-ending-later-this-year-BU-professors-say?view=print

Economy shows signs of recovery, according to BU professors

By STEVE TARTER
Journal Star
Posted May 12, 2009 @ 11:15 AM
Last update May 12, 2009 @ 11:04 PM

PEORIA —
Signs are the recession will end sometime during the second
half of this year.

So say two Bradley University economics professors who spoke
at a breakfast meeting Tuesday at BU's Bob Michel Student
Center.

"The second half of 2009 should see the U.S. economy on a
slow recovery track," said Joshua Lewer, who addressed a
crowd of 90 people with Bob Scott, chairman of the school's
economics department.

Lewer said the nation's banks, "the engine of our economy,"
appear to be recovering from what has been called the
deepest U.S. recession since the 1930s.

"We won't recover until our banks recover, and banks are
looking a little better. People are even buying bank stock
again," he said.

[kujebak]

On May 26, 12:25 pm, "Lamont Cranston"

Post by Lamont Cranston

Post by kujebak

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear
device and
does have a million man army.
The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed
3,000 in the
WTC. To dismiss that they couldn't do that again
defies logic
since they, themselves tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions defending
ourselves
enflames them & is a recruiting tool. That's utter
BullShit
considering the jihadists had declared war on us
long ago. At
least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been laid
by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going??? And now Iraq is
blowing up
again.

How many more towers did you see fall during his
tenure... or how
about embassies bombed or ships llike the Cole
attacked?
I know we lost brave soldiers in the war and may God
bless their
souls for having the courage to protect your right to
trash them.
Still Freedom ain't Free, tard-face...

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all the
bull shit
we constantly hear. That was a time when we faced
REAL
enemies who could actually wage real war complete
with all of
the infrastructure that implies. Planes, tanks,
ships, subs,
guns, bombs, million man armies and large navies
and
all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie . The Soviet Union
collapsed of
its own weight and would have done so Reagan or no
Reagan. Of
course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all, the
CIA missed
it. They really had their eyes on the pulse of the
USSR.

The recisionism is all from the left, like move-on,
the daily-kos
and other fringe leftist. Even the majority of dems in
congress
don't agree with your radical revisionist history,
tard....

Post by Bob Eld
you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no Republicans
in the
rank & file which fought & died for their country
against those
real planes, tanks, ships etc. You indeed are a
complete
buffoon of magnificent proportions....

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing. They
have no
infrastructure

Americans made the same mistake about the North
Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they also
had no
large scale infrastructure and could never wage war
on us here.
We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come
here. I agree
a rag tag band of ill-equipped insurgents can and do
wage
effective war against a powerful military because
$100 worth of
explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't do it
across
oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring the
fight to
them.

They can't? Well they already did, tard. You do
remember 9-11?

Post by Bob Eld
claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But
indeed, they were
extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in mass
numbers,
but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like
ration cans-
used in traps and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC dead
they are
nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we both
know you
are too big

a

Post by MioMyo
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught Bin
Laden or Al
Zawahiri.

So what would that mean, the war would be over? In
WWII, Hitler
wan't captured and killed until the end. So according
to your
logic, maybe allied forces should have given up half
way........

Post by Bob Eld
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but they
already know
how ineffective Bush and Cheney were.

Bamby said he's get em. How's that going? Oh that's
right, I'll
remind you of that every few months cause we all know
he's doing
nothing.....

Post by Bob Eld
Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out
stinging anything
in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched.
That's the way
republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no concept
of how to
get those responsible. Just wage indiscriminate war
like a bunch
of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Tell us about your military credencials genius? I
don't need to
know about what you think in retrospect either, I want
to know
about your military education, experiences and
successes?
I'll make it easy.... YOU HAVE NONE!

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be
afraid of them
and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler
incarnate is the
height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow a
pair of
cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and constitution of
the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about
enemies fighting
for no nation and not in uniform.

You have until January 20,2017to continue to grumble.-
Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -

GM is going to be reorganized by a bankruptcy judge.
GM's bondholders are going to prevail in court and get
a just settlement. Obamai s going to be thrown away
like a dirty rag in four years for his mismanagement of
the economy.

Right, and denial is a river in Egypt.

Post by kujebak
The only question is what kind of country
will the Republicans inherit in 2013.

The only question is if there will be a Republican Party in
2013.

Post by kujebak
A country of tra-
ditional American values, or a country of irredeemable
economic parasites. That might well become Obama's
ultimate  legacy.

Obama's ultimate legacy will be his rescue of the economy
from the jaws of depression, his saving capitalism in this
country just as FDR did, and his total destruction of the
GOP.

Do you personally know anyone who is back in the
market? The only people, who are buying stocks at
this time are short-term speculators. The only people
who are being hired right now are those who lie about
their true qualifications, and are willing to accept jobs
for much less than what they used to make. The only
economic sector that is not shrinking is the public
sector. These are not signs of economic recovery.
These are signs of prolonged economic misery.

Capitalism would not be under any threat if the in-
solvent banks, and bloated labor unions were simply
allowed to go out of business. The trillions pumped into
the banking system aren't doing anything for the so-
called main street. Any threat to capitalism can only
come from government involvement in the economy,
and the economy is going to be the only issue Obama
will be judged on in 2012. By that time no one will
remember Bush, and his foreign policy ;-)

Post by Lamont Cranston
http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x1393572960/Recession-ending-later-this...
Economy shows signs of recovery, according to BU professors
By STEVE TARTER
Journal Star
PEORIA —
Signs are the recession will end sometime during the second
half of this year.
So say two Bradley University economics professors who spoke
at a breakfast meeting Tuesday at BU's Bob Michel Student
Center.
"The second half of 2009 should see the U.S. economy on a
slow recovery track," said Joshua Lewer, who addressed a
crowd of 90 people with Bob Scott, chairman of the school's
economics department.
Lewer said the nation's banks, "the engine of our economy,"
appear to be recovering from what has been called the
deepest U.S. recession since the 1930s.
"We won't recover until our banks recover, and banks are
looking a little better. People are even buying bank stock
again," he said.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

[Lamont Cranston]

On May 26, 12:25 pm, "Lamont Cranston"

Post by Lamont Cranston

Post by kujebak

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard.

Yester year??? North Korea just set off a nuclear
device and
does have a million man army.
The world has changed which is why a

Post by MioMyo
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist
killed
3,000 in the
WTC. To dismiss that they couldn't do that again
defies logic
since they, themselves tell us they will.
Another libtard notion is that our actions
defending
ourselves
enflames them & is a recruiting tool. That's
utter
BullShit
considering the jihadists had declared war on us
long ago. At
least Bush had the cajonies to fight back
from the groundwork of competency that had been
laid
by Clinton.

Ha! How's that Bush fight going??? And now Iraq
is
blowing up
again.

How many more towers did you see fall during his
tenure... or how
about embassies bombed or ships llike the Cole
attacked?
I know we lost brave soldiers in the war and may
God
bless their
souls for having the courage to protect your right
to
trash them.
Still Freedom ain't Free, tard-face...

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
No republican
leader has ever done close to that despite all
the
bull shit
we constantly hear. That was a time when we
faced
REAL
enemies who could actually wage real war
complete
with all of
the infrastructure that implies. Planes,
tanks,
ships, subs,
guns, bombs, million man armies and large
navies
and
all

Reagan won the cold war

Total republican revisionist lie . The Soviet
Union
collapsed of
its own weight and would have done so Reagan or
no
Reagan. Of
course our great spy
agency who is supposed to know all and see all,
the
CIA missed
it. They really had their eyes on the pulse of
the
USSR.

The recisionism is all from the left, like
move-on,
the daily-kos
and other fringe leftist. Even the majority of
dems in
congress
don't agree with your radical revisionist history,
tard....

Post by Bob Eld
you idiot though I know you will deny it to your

Post by MioMyo
dying breath. Plus I guess there were no
Republicans
in the
rank & file which fought & died for their
country
against those
real planes, tanks, ships etc. You indeed are a
complete
buffoon of magnificent proportions....

Post by Bob Eld
of the rest. The Arab terrorists are nothing.
They
have no
infrastructure

Americans made the same mistake about the North
Vietnamese

They were backed by China, for openers, but they
also
had no
large scale infrastructure and could never wage
war
on us here.
We like the fools we are
went there saving them the trouble of trying come
here. I agree
a rag tag band of ill-equipped insurgents can and
do
wage
effective war against a powerful military because
$100 worth of
explosives can blow up a million $
worth of equipment and material. But they can't
do it
across
oceans or over
long distances. They can only do it when we bring
the
fight to
them.

They can't? Well they already did, tard. You do
remember 9-11?

Post by Bob Eld
claiming they

Post by MioMyo
were nothing compared to the US Military. But
indeed, they were
extremely
resourceful by not only being willing to die in
mass
numbers,
but also by
using what the American soldier left behind like
ration cans-
used in traps and explosives; tunnel rats etc.
Maybe you'd like to go tell families of the WTC
dead
they are
nothing. Let
me know how that goes when you do, tard, but we
both
know you
are too big

a

Post by MioMyo
coward & never will.

Maybe you didn't notice but we have NOT caught
Bin
Laden or Al
Zawahiri.

So what would that mean, the war would be over? In
WWII, Hitler
wan't captured and killed until the end. So
according
to your
logic, maybe allied forces should have given up
half
way........

Post by Bob Eld
That's what I would tell the WTC families, but
they
already know
how ineffective Bush and Cheney were.

Bamby said he's get em. How's that going? Oh
that's
right, I'll
remind you of that every few months cause we all
know
he's doing
nothing.....

Post by Bob Eld
Bush's response was like that of ants when
someone kicked their ant hill. They swarm out
stinging anything
in sight but
the kid that kicked the nest gets away untouched.
That's the way
republicans
are. No planning, no idea who hit you and no
concept
of how to
get those responsible. Just wage indiscriminate
war
like a bunch
of mindless ants and
it ain't over yet. Pathetic.

Tell us about your military credencials genius? I
don't need to
know about what you think in retrospect either, I
want
to know
about your military education, experiences and
successes?
I'll make it easy.... YOU HAVE NONE!

Post by Bob Eld

Post by MioMyo

Post by Bob Eld
and don't even make their own weapons. To be
afraid of them
and cower in
their presence as if they were Adolph Hitler
incarnate is the
height of
republican absurdity. It's passed time to grow
a
pair of
cajones and handle
these bastards within the laws and
constitution of
the US.

We do, tard.
Tell me what the Geneva Convention says about
enemies fighting
for no nation and not in uniform.

You have until January 20,2017to continue to
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GM is going to be reorganized by a bankruptcy judge.
GM's bondholders are going to prevail in court and get
a just settlement. Obamai s going to be thrown away
like a dirty rag in four years for his mismanagement
of
the economy.

Right, and denial is a river in Egypt.

Post by kujebak
The only question is what kind of country
will the Republicans inherit in 2013.

The only question is if there will be a Republican Party
in
2013.

Post by kujebak
A country of tra-
ditional American values, or a country of irredeemable
economic parasites. That might well become Obama's
ultimate legacy.

Obama's ultimate legacy will be his rescue of the
economy
from the jaws of depression, his saving capitalism in
this
country just as FDR did, and his total destruction of
the
GOP.

Do you personally know anyone who is back in the
market?

Lots.

The only people, who are buying stocks at
this time are short-term speculators.

Wrong.

The only people
who are being hired right now are those who lie about
their true qualifications, and are willing to accept jobs
for much less than what they used to make. The only
economic sector that is not shrinking is the public
sector. These are not signs of economic recovery.
These are signs of prolonged economic misery.
Capitalism would not be under any threat if the in-
solvent banks, and bloated labor unions were simply
allowed to go out of business.

Wrong, of course. It's obvious that you have no education
in economics.

The trillions pumped into
the banking system aren't doing anything for the so-
called main street.

Trillions have not been pumped into the banking system.
What money has been pumped into it have done a lot for main
street.

Any threat to capitalism can only
come from government involvement in the economy,

Wrong, of course. The main threat to capitalism is
capitalism itself. Unfettered capitalism always fails.
History proves it.

and the economy is going to be the only issue Obama
will be judged on in 2012. By that time no one will
remember Bush, and his foreign policy ;-)

That's why Obama will be re-elected in a landslide. Read
below. Note the following from the article: "Government
stimulus spending and Federal Reserve efforts to thaw credit
markets are helping pull the economy out of the worst slump
in half a century..." That pretty much says that you are an
economic illiterate who is full of shit.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a62f_EptgAT0&refer=home#

U.S. Recession May Soon End, Business Economists Say
(Update1)

By Shobhana Chandra

May 27 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. recession will probably end
in the third quarter, a survey of business economists
showed, even as rising joblessness indicates the recovery
will be weaker than previously estimated.

The world’s largest economy will begin to expand next
quarter, according to 74 percent of economists in a National
Association for Business Economics survey. Compared with
NABE’s February poll, growth will be slower and unemployment
will be higher in the second half of this year and through
2010.

Government stimulus spending and Federal Reserve efforts to
thaw credit markets are helping pull the economy out of the
worst slump in half a century, the survey said. While
housing is stabilizing, the economists predicted consumer
spending will be restrained by a deteriorating labor market
as job losses continue for the rest of the year.

“There are emerging signs that the economy is stabilizing,”
Chris Varvares, president of the group and of Macroeconomic
Advisers LLC in St. Louis, said in a statement. Still, the
recovery may be “considerably more moderate than those
typically experienced following steep declines,” he said.

The economy will shrink at a 1.8 percent annual rate from
April to June, and then grow at a 0.7 percent pace in the
next three months, the survey showed. Growth will accelerate
to a 1.8 percent rate by the final quarter.

Spending to Fall

Consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of
the economy, may fall 0.4 percent this year, compared with a
1.3 percent drop forecast in the prior poll. Purchases will
increase 2.1 percent next year, less than estimated in
February.

The NABE survey, based on the median forecast of a panel of
45 economists, was conducted from April 27 to May 11.

Signs of a U.S. recovery coincide with evidence that the
first global recession since World War II is easing. German
investor confidence rose to the highest since 2006 in May
and the Bank of Japan last week raised its view of the
economy for the first time in almost three years.

Policy measures by central banks and governments “have
assisted in reviving trust in the financial markets and the
real economy,” Deutsche Bank AG Chief Executive Josef
Ackermann said yesterday. “We can already see first positive
signs.”

In the U.S., nine of every 10 survey participants said the
Fed’s new credit facilities improved borrowing conditions,
and 55 percent said the programs also benefited markets that
were not directly targeted. At the same time, nearly half
the economists said credit was still hard to get.

Home Sales

Home sales may reach a bottom by mid-year, according to 72
percent of the panelists, and more than six in 10 predicted
housing starts will hit a trough by that time. The survey
showed home prices have further to fall, with 40 percent of
the respondents forecasting the declines will continue into
2010 or later.

Payrolls will decrease by an estimated 4.5 million in 2009,
pushing the unemployment rate to 9.8 percent by year-end,
almost a percentage point higher than the previous estimate
of 9 percent, the survey showed. Job gains next year will
help reduce the jobless rate to 9.3 percent by the end of
2010.

The outlook for business investment this year also soured
compared with the February survey, reflecting sharper
pullbacks in spending on equipment, software and facilities,
and a bigger reduction in inventories. Economists in the
survey also predicted corporate profits will decline 16
percent this year.

The cost of living will fall and worker productivity will
improve this year, the NABE report showed. With inflation in
check and unemployment rising, Fed policy makers will keep
the benchmark interest rate close to zero until the second
quarter of next year, at which time a series of increases
may push the rate to 1.25 percent by year-end.

[Poetic-Justice]

Post by Lamont Cranston

On May 26, 12:25 pm, "Lamont Cranston"

Lots.

The only people, who are buying stocks at
this time are short-term speculators.

Wrong.

The only people
who are being hired right now are those who lie about
their true qualifications, and are willing to accept jobs
for much less than what they used to make. The only
economic sector that is not shrinking is the public
sector. These are not signs of economic recovery.
These are signs of prolonged economic misery.
Capitalism would not be under any threat if the in-
solvent banks, and bloated labor unions were simply
allowed to go out of business.

Wrong, of course. It's obvious that you have no education in economics.

The trillions pumped into
the banking system aren't doing anything for the so-
called main street.

Trillions have not been pumped into the banking system. What money has
been pumped into it have done a lot for main street.

Any threat to capitalism can only
come from government involvement in the economy,

Wrong, of course. The main threat to capitalism is capitalism itself.
Unfettered capitalism always fails. History proves it.

and the economy is going to be the only issue Obama
will be judged on in 2012. By that time no one will
remember Bush, and his foreign policy ;-)

That's why Obama will be re-elected in a landslide. Read below. Note
the following from the article: "Government stimulus spending and
Federal Reserve efforts to thaw credit markets are helping pull the
economy out of the worst slump in half a century..." That pretty much
says that you are an economic illiterate who is full of shit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a62f_EptgAT0&refer=home#
U.S. Recession May Soon End, Business Economists Say (Update1)
By Shobhana Chandra
May 27 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. recession will probably end in the third
quarter, a survey of business economists showed, even as rising
joblessness indicates the recovery will be weaker than previously
estimated.

OR

The whole sh*t`n mess will roll off the cliff.

[P***@SillyWalk.com]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 08:13:47 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
You're living in yester-year, libtard. The world has changed which is why a
handful of rag-tag, low financed terrorist killed 3,000 in the WTC. To
dismiss that they couldn't do that again defies logic since they, themselves
tell us they will.

First of all, they did it because your lying sack of
shit failed to heed the warning given him at the end of
the Clinton administration.

Second, The Clinton administration's hands were tied
because the Republican congress was dominated by
rightwing ideologues who would not help Clinton in
anything....Jesse Helms blocked all attempts to deal
with the issues. Clinton was FORCED to treat the
global international terrorism problem as a "criminal"
issue, not one that eventally gave Bush the POWER to
do.

Third, because Bush was more interested in Tax cuts for
the wealth class, the Terrorism problem was ignored.
Once 9-11 occurred (remember the
deer-in-the-headlights?)---Congress gave Bush the
power, resources and go-ahead that Clinton tried to get
from Helms and the Republican congress

Once ANY accident or event occurs---it's only a
rational conclusion that one would be MORE ALERT and
make sure it didn't occur

The idea of Bush "keeping us safe" is a goddamn
propaganda pile of shit.

Had he not been trying to funnel billions to the
wealthy (including himself)---he could have prevented
the attack.

[P***@SillyWalk.com]

On Sun, 24 May 2009 10:35:25 -0700, "MioMyo"

Post by MioMyo
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/25/pelosi-shrugs-alcatraz-possible-terror-detention-facility/
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday shrugged off Republican suggestions
that the federal government reopen Alcatraz prison in her San Francisco
district to house detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

FAUX SNOOZE?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Above]

I thought Bush retired.

[MioMyo]

Post by Above
I thought Bush retired.

You thought wrong.....

[Alberto Gonzalez]

Dummy. Alcatraz is not a functioning prison. You righties are so stupid it
just never ceases to amaze.

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by Alberto Gonzalez

Post by MioMyo
Watch the Imperial Princess Pelosi stumble on he on

Dummy. Alcatraz is not a functioning prison. You righties
are so
stupid it just never ceases to amaze.

It's a wonder that these morons are able to cross the
street.

[MioMyo]

Converting Alcatraz back into a prison would be more work than
building a new prison, and is an incredibly expensive proposition.
Buying out the tour company contracts alone will cost more than any
budget that would ever get through Congress... and if you really
wanted to do it... you'd have to vote to give a whole bunch of Federal
Dollars to Rep. Pelosi's district. Ponder that and try not to blow a
fuse.

I see the NIMBY Hypocrisy factor is your Achilles Heel......

<>LMAO. It is, eh? Tell all of us, why should we put terrorists into an
<>obsolete prison when we have a perfectly good, state of the art
<>Supermax prison in Colorado that already has prisoners in it?

Instead of spewing your vile, leftist nonsense try proving bamby's claim
that GITMO is a recruiting tool for Jihadists which is his rationale for
closing it, other than the real reason which is placating the lunatic,
radical left wing........