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Does the Right Want a Civil War?
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s***@orci.nus
2009-06-15 12:20:59 UTC
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Does the Right Want a Civil War?

Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.

People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.


Dear Conservatives:

Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
simple question:

Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?

Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.

You did.

The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.

Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.

When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.

And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.

We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.

You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.

But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
straight answer:

Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?

If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.

If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.

And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.

Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.

That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?

Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
Porkasauras Bill
2009-06-16 03:50:18 UTC
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Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
========================
The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !

Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
Curt
2009-06-18 03:34:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Porkasauras Bill
Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
========================
The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !
Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
Sooooo. Then why'd AQ wait till the Cowardsnweenies were in charge to
blow up the WTC? I mean, it seems like they coulda timed it better..
done it while Clinton was in the WH.. maybe made their point
better.. ??

Curt
Porkasauras Bill
2009-06-21 12:32:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Curt
Post by Porkasauras Bill
Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
========================
 The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !
Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
Sooooo. Then why'd AQ wait till the Cowardsnweenies were in charge to
blow up the WTC? I mean, it seems like they coulda timed it better..
done it while Clinton was in the WH.. maybe made their point
better.. ??
Curt- Hide quoted text -
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They did it while they could, they don't work for fedex. besides,
they
knew that the republicans didn't start wars, it was always the
democommies.
Dr. Zaroc Stone, DMA
2009-06-21 20:14:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Porkasauras Bill
Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
========================
The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !
Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
The Taliban doesn't hate anyone. They believe we are attacking them and
their way of life and they are defending it. To state that only
Conservatives and no Liberals are "over there" fighting and dying along
side each other demonstrates just who is dumb here. With a name such as
Porkasaurus, you further demonstrate your lack of any actual thought.

There are just as many conservatives as liberals who are tired of your war.
Since you support it, why are you here and not there right now. Please,
feel free to go off and get yourself killed for no reason that has anything
to do with the USA if that's what you want. May you rest in peace.
Porkasauras Bill
2009-06-21 21:07:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Porkasauras Bill
Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
========================
The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !
Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
The Taliban doesn't hate anyone.  They believe we are attacking them and
their way of life and they are defending it.  To state that only
Conservatives and no Liberals are "over there" fighting and dying along
side each other demonstrates just who is dumb here.  With a name such as
Porkasaurus, you further demonstrate your lack of any actual thought.
===================
Again" !!
The taliban hate us because they hate everything we stand
for dumbass.
They don't like Homosexual, they don't like women showing there faces
in public,
they don't like our decietful business practices ect.,they hate us for
who we are !!
There are just as many conservatives as liberals who are tired of your war.
Since you support it, why are you here and not there right now.  Please,
feel free to go off and get yourself killed for no reason that has anything
to do with the USA if that's what you want.  May you rest in peace.  - Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
================
The war will work it's self out, the homosexual preditors on the
other hand, won't !!
they should be rounded up and sent to a penal colony, where they can
play with each
others penal all they want , away from civilian prey !!
Yer Pal Al
2009-06-22 00:58:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Porkasauras Bill
Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And
it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions,
evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need
to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People
are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several
per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the
whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up
to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers
that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the
Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest
donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points
faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes
that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues
hadn't been politically expedient for you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about
right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on
the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager
to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has
come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are
the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with
this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there
have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power
through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've
recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and
turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the
American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of
the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this
situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even
have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to
know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you
don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits
for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long
as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it --
without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard
for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now
apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that
are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of
trust required for our democracy to function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you.
We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've
created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of
the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your
intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America
you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and
violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you,
then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do
not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you.
If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for
it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die
for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved,
we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off
the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and
sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we
think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of
you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without
fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those
who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of
stone facts and irrefutable evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the
right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your
way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of
Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your
cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you
need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their
activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them
in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you
need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this
-- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only
conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and
approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed
revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat
at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once
it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the
choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision.
And you need to make it now.
========================
The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !
Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
The Taliban doesn't hate anyone.  They believe we are attacking them and
their way of life and they are defending it.
You are dead wrong. They are collectivists just like Communists. They
don't want us to "leave them alone." They want us to become a Moslem
nation.
Scratch
2009-06-22 13:59:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by Porkasauras Bill
Post by s***@orci.nus
Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.
People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now.
And it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to
it.
Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with
elisions, evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional
answers. We need to know what your intentions are -- and we need
to know NOW. People are being shot dead in the streets of America
at the rate of several per month now. You may not want
responsibility for this -- but the whackadoodles pulling the
triggers make no bones about who put them up to this.
You did.
The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us,
straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio
talkers that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head
of the Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by
your biggest donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily
talking points faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists
representing causes that would have never become causes in the
first place if the issues hadn't been politically expedient for
you.
Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.
When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries
about right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every
conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS
never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you
on the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was
slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so
eager to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the
violence has come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to
that.
And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts
are the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to
do with this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true
that there have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing
to gain power through a politics that only motivates through hate
and fear, you've recruited a good-sized army of those crazies,
armed them up, and turned them into paranoid monsters that are now
running loose on the American landscape.
We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence
of the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating
this situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't
even have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you
seem to know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now
-- and you don't seem to care.
You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country,
either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase
profits for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next
book. As long as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals,
you'll do it -- without regard for the cultural sewage you're
creating, without regard for the way you've polluted the political
landscape, and now apparently without even a moment's regard for
the innocent lives that are being lost because you seem bent on
destroying every shred of trust required for our democracy to
function.
But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from
you. We are demanding that you take responsibility for the
situation you've created. We are looking you straight in the eyes
Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?
If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing
around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor
code of the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you
declare your intentions. If you really believe that the only way
to get the America you want is to negate a fair election, shred
the Constitution, and violently cleanse the country of everyone
who doesn't agree with you, then man up and get on with it. If
it's a shooting war you want, do not doubt that there are plenty
of progressives who will oblige you. If this goal is so important
that you're really willing to kill for it, please don't forget
that you will also need to be willing to die for it. Because, like
martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved, we are willing to
do whatever is necessary to stop you.
If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock
off the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the
table, and sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a
stretch, but we think some of you are capable of it.) You will
need to learn, many of you for the first time, to get your way as
adults do -- without fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric,
on-air threats against those who disagree with you, and repeating
outrageous lies in the face of stone facts and irrefutable
evidence.
And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to
disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and
with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it
destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and
"the right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot
assassinate your way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment
that the majority of Americans -- even those who agree with your
ideas -- will abandon your cause forever once it realizes that's
what you're trying to do.
Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank,
you need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about
their activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who
turn them in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs
out of them, you need to be the ones who call them out as
criminals. Until you do this -- consistently, wholeheartedly, and
responsibly -- we can only conclude that these assassins are
operating with your support and approval, and that you are
intentionally trying to start an armed revolution in America.
That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil
war? Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to
your seat at the table, ready to help us choose the country's
future?
Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And
once it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will
have the choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's
your decision. And you need to make it now.
=======================
The taliban hates us because of liberal sin. Just put your asses in
place
of the taliban and look from there view of you ! Baby
killers,adultry,murder,
drugs,rob,cheat,steal,decieve, and most of all athiest whore mongers !
Now, conservatives are over there (Dying) because of your sins. Or
would
you rather they come over here with bombs strapped to them and walk
into
your school ? You liberal have to be the dumbest SOB's on the
planet !!
The Taliban doesn't hate anyone.  They believe we are attacking them
an
d
their way of life and they are defending it.
You are dead wrong. They are collectivists just like Communists. They
don't want us to "leave them alone." They want us to become a Moslem
nation.
Well we do have a president with Muslim roots that seems to be working
for them. He wants everyone in Iran to give hugs and get along. What
Next? Tea with Hamas?
--
"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts,
not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the
Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

Just words, just speeches
Obama - 2008
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