Moral Counseling - No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime

[Economics]

Moral Counseling
No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime or break the
law. To suggest otherwise is incorrect grammar. Having an illness or disease
can never cause a person to lose his or her morals, nor is it ever an excuse
for breaking the law. While an illness can make a person's body feel bad, an
illness cannot make someone feel like a bad person. Every person must be
held fully accountable for any crime he or she commits.

All people are equal under the law. All people are born with a natural love
of morals and desire for goodness. To suggest that some people are not, no
matter how scientific sounding, is racism and cannot be accepted.

Good morals should always be described in an attractive, appealing manner,
not as something strict or repressive. The best way to resolve a personal
problem is to forgive the people involved and forget about it, not dwell on
it.

[GeorgeWashington]

I agree.......ADVISE our CHRISTIAN TERRORIST AMERICAN GOVT PSYCHOPATHS who
are MURDERING MILLIONS AROUND the WORLD to keep us in a PERPETUAL STATE OF
FEAR, PARANOIA and SLAVERY.

I also request you to ADVISE our PATRIOTIC AMERICAN SOLDIERS to KILL
TERRORIST bush and his cronies since they LIED, MANIPULATED and DECEIVED our
GREAT NATION and MURDERED 100,000 iraqis.

I want to know when will FBI, CIA and NSA will MURDER our BLOODTHIRSTY LYING
president bush ?

Post by Economics
Moral Counseling
No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime or break the
law. To suggest otherwise is incorrect grammar. Having an illness or disease
can never cause a person to lose his or her morals, nor is it ever an excuse
for breaking the law. While an illness can make a person's body feel bad, an
illness cannot make someone feel like a bad person. Every person must be
held fully accountable for any crime he or she commits.
All people are equal under the law. All people are born with a natural love
of morals and desire for goodness. To suggest that some people are not, no
matter how scientific sounding, is racism and cannot be accepted.
Good morals should always be described in an attractive, appealing manner,
not as something strict or repressive. The best way to resolve a personal
problem is to forgive the people involved and forget about it, not dwell on
it.

[ThomasJefferson]

I agree with YOUR THEORY. So when are you GOING TO MURDER our LYING CRIMINAL
bush, CIA, FBI and NSA agents who INTENTIONALLY and DELIBERATELY COOKED up
faulty WMD evidence to MURDER 100,000 NON-AMERICANS to satisfy our BLOOD
LUST.

And when will you MORAL COUNSEL the 70% of OUR AMERICAN CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS
who SUPPORTED bush to MURDER 100,000 NON-AMERIANS even though that 70% of my
AMERICAN CHRISTIAN BROTHERS can't even FUCKING LOCATE iraq on a world map or
WORSE can't even tell who is OUR TREASURY SECRETARY or HOUSE SPEAKER ?

And when will you do MORAL COUNSELLING to ALL THE FBI, CIA and NSA
PSYCHOPATHS who are SECRETLY and ILLEGALLY TORTURING MILLIONS of INNOCENT
WHITE, BLACK, JEWISH AMERICANS ?

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Post by Economics
Moral Counseling
No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime or break the
law. To suggest otherwise is incorrect grammar. Having an illness or disease
can never cause a person to lose his or her morals, nor is it ever an excuse
for breaking the law. While an illness can make a person's body feel bad, an
illness cannot make someone feel like a bad person. Every person must be
held fully accountable for any crime he or she commits.
All people are equal under the law. All people are born with a natural love
of morals and desire for goodness. To suggest that some people are not, no
matter how scientific sounding, is racism and cannot be accepted.
Good morals should always be described in an attractive, appealing manner,
not as something strict or repressive. The best way to resolve a personal
problem is to forgive the people involved and forget about it, not dwell on
it.

[banyan]

Post by Economics
Moral Counseling
No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime or break the
law. ... Every person must be
held fully accountable for any crime he or she commits.

While I totally agree with most of what you said, I think illness or
intoxication can destroy one's ability to make moral judgments, which
does eliminate your accountability (in the sense that you can't account
for what you did or why). This is the idea behind people being declared
not guilty by reason of insanity, or "not criminally responsible."

I know, it's troubling that getting pissed to the gills could be used to
excuse illegal or immoral behaviour, but it is true that past a point
you can't count on being able to make a sound judgment as to what is
good. People generally are less troubled by the idea that an organic
illness can make one morally incompetent, but if the effect of disease
or drugs is the same, the cause of the addled judgment is not really all
that important.

[Yez]

[there were too many groups, I had to snip some, hope the one
banyan posted to isn't one of them]

Post by banyan

Post by Economics
Moral Counseling
No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime
or break the law. ... Every person must be
held fully accountable for any crime he or she commits.

While I totally agree with most of what you said, I think
illness or intoxication can destroy one's ability to make moral
judgments, which does eliminate your accountability (in the
sense that you can't account for what you did or why). This is
the idea behind people being declared not guilty by reason of
insanity, or "not criminally responsible."
I know, it's troubling that getting pissed to the gills could be
used to excuse illegal or immoral behaviour, but it is true that
past a point you can't count on being able to make a sound
judgment as to what is good. People generally are less troubled
by the idea that an organic illness can make one morally
incompetent, but if the effect of disease or drugs is the same,
the cause of the addled judgment is not really all that
important.

This is really a sticky wicket, I agree with Economics that we are
100 percent responsible for our actions behind drugs or alcohol but
I have to draw the line at mental illness because that isn't
usually self induced. You are right about how we can act in very
stupid ways when we are loaded but we did choose to get loaded and
I believe that makes us responsible for any havoc we wreak while
operating in a diminished capacity. I advocate legalizing most
drugs for adults, and I also believe in taking full responsibility
for the choices we make.

'rena

[GeorgeWashington]

Post by banyan

Post by Economics
Moral Counseling
No illness, drugs or alcohol can make a person commit a crime or break the
law. ... Every person must be
held fully accountable for any crime he or she commits.

While I totally agree with most of what you said, I think illness or
intoxication can destroy one's ability to make moral judgments, which does
eliminate your accountability (in the sense that you can't account for
what you did or why). This is the idea behind people being declared not
guilty by reason of insanity, or "not criminally responsible."
I know, it's troubling that getting pissed to the gills could be used to
excuse illegal or immoral behaviour, but it is true that past a point you
can't count on being able to make a sound judgment as to what is good.
People generally are less troubled by the idea that an organic illness can
make one morally incompetent, but if the effect of disease or drugs is the
same, the cause of the addled judgment is not really all that important.

Dont waste your valuable time discussing with an AMERICAN GOVT FBI
PSYCHOPATH whose STAPLE FOOD is TORTURING INNOCENT AMERICANS and PREACHING
MORALS to EVERY HUMAN BEING in the world EXCEPT themselves.

If ORDINARY AMERICANS like you have AN IOTA OF COMMON SENSE and BRAVERY, you
would BUY AK-47 and KILL ALL FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATHS.

I will give you and the rest of the 300 mi americans a GOOD REASON why these
FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATHS must be RUTHLESSLY HUNTED and KILLED.

Ask this UNDERCOVER FBI PSYCHOPATH this SIMPLE LOGICAL QUESTION:

If these FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATHS think ALCOHOL does NOT ALTER or IMPAIR
a PERSON's JUDGEMENT and MENTAL STATE, then WHY THE FUCK did these GOVT
MOTHER FUCKERS made a LAW that it is ILLEGAL TO DRIVE BEYOND CERTAIN BLOOD
ALCOHOL LEVELS ?

So the point is EITHER these GOVT PSYCHOPATHS have to ACCEPT that FOR
EXAMPLE ALCOHOL "DOES" ALTER or IMPAIR a PERSONS JUDGEMENT and MENTAL STATE
or "IT DOESNT".

The US GOVT PSYCHOPATHS want to HAVE IT "BOTH WAYS" and want to use
whichever is CONVENIENT to send DUMB 300 mil AMERICANS to PRISON and CONTROL
THEIR THOUGHTS and LIVES like GODS.

These US GOVT PSYCHOPATHS think they are GODS and UNILATERALLY ACCORDED
themselves GOD STATUS and thats a GREAT REASON to KILL THEM MERCILESSLY and
GET RID of this EVIL from planet earth.