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Duncan Hunter : Against a Free Press
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Stan de SD
2006-10-24 07:58:27 UTC
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The issue isn't showing dead soldiers. The issue is going along with
this
guy, knowing he's out to kill one of our own. If any Allied journalist
had
been caught tagging along with the Nazis, he would have been shot as a
traitor - no trial, no detention, no pinko ACLU lawyers advocating his
case.
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it out
on their own.
The aftereffect of
showing dead American soldier is something this Administration
has been sucessful hiding from the public since the inception
of our occupation in the Middle East. How many American
coffins have you seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier, especially when
his own family may see the picture, possibly without any advance warning? Or
do you Lefty Liberals need some type of visuals to masturbate over to
fulfill your anti-American feelings?
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit. It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy, knowing he is
about to kill an American solder. Apparently cooperating with the enemy is
the trendy and chic thing for Lefty Liberals to do, but people of conscience
beg to differ.
Btw, every ACLU attorney I've known are decent, hardworking
professionals protecting a document and upholding what the
Framers passed down to us. .
You lie. I once witnessed a female ACLU lawyer respond to her seatmate who
criticized her organization by calling the flight attendant and telling her
that her fellow passenger had "threatened" her. The flight attendants then
mentioned that they would call the police to have the individual arrested
when they landed at SFO. Fortunately they didn't do it, but it shows what
type of tactics low-life scum will resort to when they can't bear to hear
dissenting points of view. Fuck the ACLU.
Jafo
2006-10-24 11:31:43 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Bullshit. It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy,
knowing he is about to kill an American solder. Apparently
cooperating with the enemy is the trendy and chic thing for
Lefty Liberals to do, but people of conscience beg to differ.
What would Ernie Pyle have done? Edward R. Murrow?

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Jafo
Kevin Cunningham
2006-10-24 12:35:46 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
The issue isn't showing dead soldiers. The issue is going along with
this
guy, knowing he's out to kill one of our own. If any Allied journalist
had
been caught tagging along with the Nazis, he would have been shot as a
traitor - no trial, no detention, no pinko ACLU lawyers advocating his
case.
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it out
on their own.
The aftereffect of
showing dead American soldier is something this Administration
has been sucessful hiding from the public since the inception
of our occupation in the Middle East. How many American
coffins have you seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier, especially when
his own family may see the picture, possibly without any advance warning? Or
do you Lefty Liberals need some type of visuals to masturbate over to
fulfill your anti-American feelings?
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit. It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy, knowing he is
about to kill an American solder. Apparently cooperating with the enemy is
the trendy and chic thing for Lefty Liberals to do, but people of conscience
beg to differ.
Btw, every ACLU attorney I've known are decent, hardworking
professionals protecting a document and upholding what the
Framers passed down to us. .
You lie. I once witnessed a female ACLU lawyer respond to her seatmate who
criticized her organization by calling the flight attendant and telling her
that her fellow passenger had "threatened" her. The flight attendants then
mentioned that they would call the police to have the individual arrested
when they landed at SFO. Fortunately they didn't do it, but it shows what
type of tactics low-life scum will resort to when they can't bear to hear
dissenting points of view. Fuck the ACLU.
This changes my views of the ACLU, not.

Notice how a conservative works. Branson brings good points to the table
involving the work of the ACLU and his experiences with it. Stan the Moron
brings something that he might have seen on a plane. Wow, thats revealing.

Oh, Stan were and when did you serve?
Stan de SD
2006-10-24 16:17:57 UTC
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Post by Kevin Cunningham
Post by Stan de SD
The issue isn't showing dead soldiers. The issue is going along with
this
guy, knowing he's out to kill one of our own. If any Allied journalist
had
been caught tagging along with the Nazis, he would have been shot as a
traitor - no trial, no detention, no pinko ACLU lawyers advocating his
case.
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it out
on their own.
The aftereffect of
showing dead American soldier is something this Administration
has been sucessful hiding from the public since the inception
of our occupation in the Middle East. How many American
coffins have you seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier, especially when
his own family may see the picture, possibly without any advance
warning?
Post by Kevin Cunningham
Post by Stan de SD
Or
do you Lefty Liberals need some type of visuals to masturbate over to
fulfill your anti-American feelings?
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit. It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy, knowing
he
Post by Kevin Cunningham
Post by Stan de SD
is
about to kill an American solder. Apparently cooperating with the enemy is
the trendy and chic thing for Lefty Liberals to do, but people of conscience
beg to differ.
Btw, every ACLU attorney I've known are decent, hardworking
professionals protecting a document and upholding what the
Framers passed down to us. .
You lie. I once witnessed a female ACLU lawyer respond to her seatmate who
criticized her organization by calling the flight attendant and telling her
that her fellow passenger had "threatened" her. The flight attendants then
mentioned that they would call the police to have the individual arrested
when they landed at SFO. Fortunately they didn't do it, but it shows what
type of tactics low-life scum will resort to when they can't bear to hear
dissenting points of view. Fuck the ACLU.
This changes my views of the ACLU, not.
Notice how a conservative works. Branson brings good points to the table
involving the work of the ACLU and his experiences with it
Branson brough nothing but an opinion
Post by Kevin Cunningham
Stan the Moron
brings something that he might have seen on a plane.
I brought something I DID see on a plane - NOT might have. You can choose to
dismiss it as an anecdotal story, but the fact of the matter that the
willingness to lie and deceive to the point of threatening someone with
calling the cops merely because they expressed a dissenting opinion is
callous and hypocritical. As far as I'm concerned, it illustrates why Lefty
Liberal types should not be revered as "protectors" of freedom of speech,
when they are clearly not...
Post by Kevin Cunningham
Wow, thats revealing.
It's revealing that your own political view clouds your own ability to look
at the situation in an objective manner.
Post by Kevin Cunningham
Oh, Stan were and when did you serve?
I don't see where that's even relevant to the discussion, but if you were
referring to the military: USAF 1982-1988.
Branson Hunter
2006-10-24 21:18:28 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it out
on their own.
Okay. I'm pleased that I've got you to agree
your statement acknowledges you always tell people
what the issue is. Who annoited you as moderator of
newsgroups that are not moderated? People discuss
what ever the hell they want to. Deal with it bud.
Post by Stan de SD
The aftereffect of showing dead American soldier is
something this Administration has been sucessful hiding
from the public since the inception of our occupation in
the Middle East. How many American coffins have you
seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier,
Why do you beat your wife?
Post by Stan de SD
... or do you Lefty Liberals need some type of visuals to masturbate over to
fulfill your anti-American feelings?
You're publishing pure extreme fanaticticism. And sounding more
like a those good Nazis than a responsible American. Why do you
hate free speech so much?
Post by Stan de SD
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit. It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy,
Fanatics like you still Believe My Country Right or Wrong.
But in America we do things differently. If you don't like it
here why not immigrate somewhere else; North Korea
or Israel are good choices.
Post by Stan de SD
Btw, every ACLU attorney I've known are decent, hardworking
professionals protecting a document and upholding what the
Framers passed down to us. .
You lie. I once witnessed a female ACLU lawyer respond to her seatmate who
criticized her organization by calling the flight attendant and telling her
that her fellow passenger had "threatened" her. The flight attendants then
mentioned that they would call the police to have the individual arrested
when they landed at SFO. Fortunately they didn't do it, but it shows what
type of tactics low-life scum will resort to when they can't bear to hear
dissenting points of view. Fuck the ACLU.
You're sounding like a controling, type A, annal Machiavellian, nut
case. Why are you so filled with hate, scorn, and manifest
unhappyiness?
Post by Stan de SD
about to kill an American solder. Apparently cooperating with the enemy is
the trendy and chic thing for Lefty Liberals to do, but people of conscience
beg to differ.
PUll that coke bottle out of your ass and suck it.

Branson
Jafo
2006-10-24 21:33:10 UTC
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Why do you hate free speech so much?
And yet it doesn't bother you a bit when a mob of undisciplined
students - and, I suspect, plenty of non-students - rush the stage at
a place like Columbia U. and silence an invited speaker.
Post by Stan de SD
I once witnessed a female ACLU lawyer respond to her seatmate who
criticized her organization by calling the flight attendant and
telling her that her fellow passenger had "threatened" her. The
flight attendants then mentioned that they would call the police
to have the individual arrested when they landed at SFO. Fortunately
they didn't do it, but it shows what type of tactics low-life scum
will resort to when they can't bear to hear dissenting points of
view. Fuck the ACLU.
You're sounding like a controling, type A, annal Machiavellian, nut
case. Why are you so filled with hate, scorn, and manifest
unhappyiness?
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.

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Jafo
Branson Hunter
2006-10-25 04:36:44 UTC
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Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.

In this country, everyone (and every entity) has the right
to an attorney, the right to a fair trial, to be judged by
their peers. If you have such contempt for the
Constitution, why don't you work to have it revoked.

OOps. You already have done that by supporting
this administrations efforts to do just that.

So do you have contempt for every defense attorney
who has defended alledged criminals.

I think Google has a reasonably fair representation
of your witings from which indicate your great dislike
for the FIRST, FOURTEENTH, FIFTH, EIGHT, Et al., E
Admendments.

The ACLU has a fair balance of cases representing
all kinds of people, and all kinds of Constitutional
issues. What you don't get is that it's the
Constitututional issues that are being infringed
upon, that the ACLU is protecting.
don't get it. And likely never will.

Nazi Germany had far too many "Good Germans"
who -- just like you -- supported taking away
fundamental rights of individuals and organizations.
And we know the rest of the story, don't we.

Branson
Leif Erikson
2006-10-25 04:47:10 UTC
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Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.
In this country,
In this country, Bwanson, deliberate dissimulators like
you can say whatever they want.
Stan de SD
2006-10-25 19:06:33 UTC
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Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.
In this country, everyone (and every entity) has the right
to an attorney, the right to a fair trial, to be judged by
their peers.
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law. Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
Post by Branson Hunter
If you have such contempt for the
Constitution, why don't you work to have it revoked.
Since when is freedom of choice or association equated with contempt for the
Constitution?

<rest of igorant twaddle snipped from individual who learned everything he
knows about the law from late night cop shows...>
Marinus van der Lubbe
2006-10-25 19:49:12 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.
In this country, everyone (and every entity) has the right
to an attorney, the right to a fair trial, to be judged by
their peers.
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law. Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
<rest of igorant twaddle snipped from individual who learned everything he
knows about the law from late night cop shows...>
Who are these captured combatants? Are they soldiers? Then they are
protected under agreements we have signed. If they are civilians, then
they are to be tried in a court. And, if they are civilians in a foreign
country, they can't be touched by us at all.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Stan de SD
2006-10-28 22:14:44 UTC
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Post by Marinus van der Lubbe
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.
In this country, everyone (and every entity) has the right
to an attorney, the right to a fair trial, to be judged by
their peers.
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law. Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
<rest of igorant twaddle snipped from individual who learned everything he
knows about the law from late night cop shows...>
Who are these captured combatants? Are they soldiers? Then they are
protected under agreements we have signed.
They are protected uder the Geneva Convention(s), provided they are "legal
combatants". FWIW, Iraqi Army soldiers were recognized as the legal
combatants they were, and have been released unless they were specifically
identified as being involved in criminal acts.
Post by Marinus van der Lubbe
If they are civilians, then they are to be tried in a court.
Combatants aren't "civilians"...
Post by Marinus van der Lubbe
And, if they are civilians in a foreign
country, they can't be touched by us at all.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Those who fight as illegal combatants (not covered under, or observing the
rules of war) are neither civilians nor lawful combatants entitled to
protection under the Geneva Accords? Why is this so hard for you to
understand?
Leif Erikson
2006-10-25 20:48:39 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.
In this country, everyone (and every entity) has the right
to an attorney, the right to a fair trial, to be judged by
their peers.
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law.
False. Anyone arrested in the U.S. and prosecuted for
a state crime, or most federal crimes that don't
involve "terrorism", or who is sued in civil court, has
a right to an attorney. As usual, Stain, you are
talking out your gaping asshole.
Post by Stan de SD
Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
This is changing, for the better, thanks to the Supreme
Court.
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
If you have such contempt for the
Constitution, why don't you work to have it revoked.
Since when is freedom of choice or association equated with contempt for the
Constitution?
Your contempt for the Constitution shows itself in
other ways, Stain.
Stan de SD
2006-10-28 22:18:04 UTC
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Post by Leif Erikson
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Jafo
Be sure to send your contribution to the ACLU, Branson, so that they
can afford to defend outfits like NAMBLA.
Err... Jafo, I read it the first time around (and
commented on it). You're being repetitous.
In this country, everyone (and every entity) has the right
to an attorney, the right to a fair trial, to be judged by
their peers.
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law.
False. Anyone arrested in the U.S. and prosecuted for
a state crime, or most federal crimes that don't
involve "terrorism", or who is sued in civil court, has
a right to an attorney. As usual, Stain, you are
talking out your gaping asshole.
Combatants aren't "arrested" - they are CAPTURED and DETAINED, which is
LEGAL. What part of the word "war" do you not understand?
Post by Leif Erikson
Post by Stan de SD
Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
This is changing, for the better, thanks to the Supreme Court.
It's NOT for the better - it's lunacy.
Post by Leif Erikson
Your contempt for the Constitution shows itself in
other ways, Stain.
Show me where in the Geneva Conventions it specifies that captured
combatants are subject to the civilan laws of the capturing army...
Branson Hunter
2006-10-27 02:10:36 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law. Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
The Constitution protects people, regardless of their status.
FUI (not that you care) many of those people were rounded
up and just got cought up in a sweep, including teens.
I understand to you Muslims are cattle and should have
no rights. You are an embarrassment.
Post by Stan de SD
<rest of igorant twaddle snipped from individual who learned everything he
knows about the law from late night cop shows...>
(Actually, I hate those kinds of shows.) Take away your
bigotry and your manifest hatered of those whom disagree
with you're narrowmindedness, and what left?

Branson
Tell me please about the radio show you (co-) hosted
with regard to issues including Muslims/Islam? What
was that all about? Was that before you became
a bigot...
Stan de SD
2006-10-28 22:20:45 UTC
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Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Stan de SD
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law. Captured combatants in wartime do
NOT have a right to an attorney if they aren't being charged with a crime,
nor do they need to be charged with a crime to be detained.
The Constitution protects people, regardless of their status.
Really? Even when they are not citizens and are detained overseas during
combat operations?

Show me where it says that in these Geneva Convention articles you Lefty
Liberals blather about...
Post by Branson Hunter
FUI (not that you care) many of those people were rounded
up and just got cought up in a sweep, including teens.
And you know that for a fact?
Post by Branson Hunter
I understand to you Muslims are cattle and should have
no rights. You are an embarrassment.
I understand that you don't base your arguments on facts, and put words in
the mouths of others. You are an asshole.
Branson Hunter
2006-10-29 02:40:22 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Stan de SD
Correction: US citizens and legal entrants (vistors and legal resident
aliens) have the right to an attorney when being charged with a criminal
offense, or when being sued in civil law.
Correction: even undocumented people in the U.S. have Fifth and
Fourteen Amendment (et al.) rights -- not just "legal entrants"
or "U.S. citizens."
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
Post by Stan de SD
Captured combatants in wartime...
This is where you are all wet... many of those so-called
*combatants* were swept up and were innocent. Many have
been released after years of confinment in U.S. prison camp.
So how the hell can we know if they are so-called combatants
or not without due process. A nation without laws is a lawless
nation. You're an embarrassment to America.
Post by Stan de SD
Show me where it says that in these Geneva Convention articles you Lefty
Liberals blather about...
You have no credibility when it comes to the Islam religion
or Muslims. You'd are an embarrassment to Israel and
the U.S. No one can show you anything. You're absent
a conscious.
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
FUI (not that you care) many of those people were rounded
up and just got cought up in a sweep, including teens.
And you know that for a fact?
Then you are denying it? You know Stan you
your humanity is dead (you nauseate me).
Post by Stan de SD
Post by Branson Hunter
I understand to you Muslims are cattle and should have
no rights. You are an embarrassment.
I understand that you don't base your arguments on facts,
and put words in the mouths of others. You are an asshole.
How unintelligent and uinimpressive.

Branson
Timothy Crowley
2006-10-31 18:12:13 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
You are an asshole.
Once again Stan De RacistSpammer shows us his great logic and debate
skills.


(hint you keep making yourslelf look like a moron)
Jafo
2006-10-31 19:14:35 UTC
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Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Stan de SD
You are an asshole.
Once again Stan De RacistSpammer shows us his great logic and debate
skills.
(hint you keep making yourslelf look like a moron)
You did as you usually do; you carefully deleted all of the supporting
statements and quoted only the conclusion. He is indeed an asshole,
Timmy, and so are you.

Now that you've been exposed once again, you're standing there with
urine trickling down your trembling leg as you try to figure out a way
to spin this one in your favor.

But it just never seems to work out with you guys who think that
you're so clever, does it? :-D

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Jafo
Timothy Crowley
2006-10-31 19:32:21 UTC
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Post by Jafo
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Stan de SD
You are an asshole.
Once again Stan De RacistSpammer shows us his great logic and debate
skills.
(hint you keep making yourslelf look like a moron)
You did as you usually do; you carefully deleted all of the supporting
statements
I quoted what I was replying to. It's Usenet, deal with it.
Timothy Crowley
2006-10-31 19:33:51 UTC
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Post by Jafo
He is indeed an asshole,
Timmy, and so are you.
Now that you've been exposed once again, you're standing there with
urine trickling down your trembling leg as you try to figure out a way
to spin this one in your favor.
And "jafo" has the same logic and debate skills as his racist,
spamming butt buddy, StanDeSpammer. Damn, you guys really stick
together.
Jafo
2006-11-01 00:16:43 UTC
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Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Jafo
Now that you've been exposed once again, you're standing there with
urine trickling down your trembling leg as you try to figure out a way
to spin this one in your favor.
And "jafo" has the same logic and debate skills as his racist,
spamming butt buddy, StanDeSpammer. Damn, you guys really stick
together.
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D

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Jafo
Timothy Crowley
2006-11-01 03:52:31 UTC
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Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
DCI
2006-11-01 04:12:11 UTC
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On 31 Oct 2006 19:52:31 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
Your response makes absolutely no sense! Are you implying that Liberal
Democrats possess "true Conservative Americans values?"

DCI
Timothy Crowley
2006-11-01 04:30:46 UTC
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Post by DCI
On 31 Oct 2006 19:52:31 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
Your response makes absolutely no sense! Are you implying that Liberal
Democrats possess "true Conservative Americans values?"
I am so sorry. No-one taught you to read. hint: *I* make no mention of
Liberals or Democrats. You made that up out of your pointy little head.
DCI
2006-11-01 05:50:55 UTC
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On 31 Oct 2006 20:30:46 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by DCI
On 31 Oct 2006 19:52:31 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
Your response makes absolutely no sense! Are you implying that Liberal
Democrats possess "true Conservative Americans values?"
I am so sorry. No-one taught you to read. hint: *I* make no mention of
Liberals or Democrats. You made that up out of your pointy little head.
Tim,

Sorry don't get it. Read my question as a question, not a statement.
The word implying means just that. Can you clarify what you mean by
"true Conservative American values"? Quit trying to look for a cyber
fight.

DCI
Timothy Crowley
2006-11-01 13:26:46 UTC
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On 31 Oct 2006 19:52:31 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
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Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
Your response makes absolutely no sense! Are you implying that Liberal
Democrats possess "true Conservative Americans values?"
I am so sorry. No-one taught you to read. hint: *I* make no mention of
Liberals or Democrats. You made that up out of your pointy little head.
Tim,
Sorry don't get it. Read my question as a question, not a statement.
The word implying means just that. Can you clarify what you mean by
"true Conservative American values"? Quit trying to look for a cyber
fight.
OK, I'll give you two examples.

fiscal responsibility. a Conservative value would be to have a balanced
budget spending and taxing in a responsible way. Instead we have they
neo-cons borrowing and borrowing and spending our children's money.

responsible defense - A Conservative value would be to have a strong
and responsible defense of our nation. we would protect our borders and
ports in a responsible way. We would not get involved in insane
military adventures based on lies - we would not have our borders
guarded by racist militias with an ax to grind.

Just two examples of True Conservative values. Fiscal Responsibility
and Responsible Defense.

Does that help?
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DCI
DCI
2006-11-01 17:10:42 UTC
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On 31 Oct 2006 20:30:46 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by DCI
On 31 Oct 2006 19:52:31 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
Your response makes absolutely no sense! Are you implying that Liberal
Democrats possess "true Conservative Americans values?"
I am so sorry. No-one taught you to read. hint: *I* make no mention of
Liberals or Democrats. You made that up out of your pointy little head.
Tim,
Sorry don't get it. Read my question as a question, not a statement.
The word implying means just that. Can you clarify what you mean by
"true Conservative American values"? Quit trying to look for a cyber
fight.
OK, I'll give you two examples.
fiscal responsibility. a Conservative value would be to have a balanced
budget spending and taxing in a responsible way. Instead we have they
neo-cons borrowing and borrowing and spending our children's money.
responsible defense - A Conservative value would be to have a strong
and responsible defense of our nation. we would protect our borders and
ports in a responsible way. We would not get involved in insane
military adventures based on lies - we would not have our borders
guarded by racist militias with an ax to grind.
Just two examples of True Conservative values. Fiscal Responsibility
and Responsible Defense.
Does that help?
Absolutely.

Other possible values:

Charity from the community to help those in the community.

Responsibly caring/maintaining private property.

Traditional family configurations. Caring for the members
of the family, especially, the children.

Exercising responsible free speech.

Respect for neighbors, their property, privacy, etc.

Living by the given word in social contractual matters.

And the list goes on . . .

DCI
Leif Erikson
2006-11-01 20:05:27 UTC
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On 1 Nov 2006 05:26:46 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
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On 31 Oct 2006 20:30:46 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by DCI
On 31 Oct 2006 19:52:31 -0800, "Timothy Crowley"
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by Jafo
I was right, wasn't I, Timmy? :-D
No, "Jafo" you were not. Sorry child. The people for peace, justice,
freedom, responsibility and true Conservative American values are
right. You are wrong.
Your response makes absolutely no sense! Are you implying that Liberal
Democrats possess "true Conservative Americans values?"
I am so sorry. No-one taught you to read. hint: *I* make no mention of
Liberals or Democrats. You made that up out of your pointy little head.
Tim,
Sorry don't get it. Read my question as a question, not a statement.
The word implying means just that. Can you clarify what you mean by
"true Conservative American values"? Quit trying to look for a cyber
fight.
OK, I'll give you two examples.
fiscal responsibility. a Conservative value would be to have a balanced
budget spending and taxing in a responsible way. Instead we have they
neo-cons borrowing and borrowing and spending our children's money.
responsible defense - A Conservative value would be to have a strong
and responsible defense of our nation. we would protect our borders and
ports in a responsible way. We would not get involved in insane
military adventures based on lies - we would not have our borders
guarded by racist militias with an ax to grind.
Just two examples of True Conservative values. Fiscal Responsibility
and Responsible Defense.
Does that help?
Absolutely.
Charity from the community to help those in the community.
Responsibly caring/maintaining private property.
Traditional family configurations. Caring for the members
of the family, especially, the children.
Exercising responsible free speech.
Yes, there's that slyly placed word "responsible".
Sorry. You don't get to define that.
Post by DCI
Respect for neighbors, their property, privacy, etc.
Living by the given word in social contractual matters.
"Given word" - what does that mean? I have a nasty hunch.
Post by DCI
And the list goes on . . .
DCI
Timothy Crowley
2006-11-02 05:16:43 UTC
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Post by DCI
Exercising responsible free speech.
Yes, there's that slyly placed word "responsible".
Sorry. You don't get to define that.
I guess it depends on how you mean the word responsible. I am quite
pleased with the way the Washington State Constitution says it;

"SECTION 5 FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Every person may freely speak, write and publish on all subjects, being
responsible for the abuse of that right."
hc23hc
2006-11-02 16:32:06 UTC
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Charity from the community to help those in the community.
Responsibly caring/maintaining private property.
Traditional family configurations. Caring for the members
of the family, especially, the children.
Exercising responsible free speech.
Respect for neighbors, their property, privacy, etc.
Living by the given word in social contractual matters.
And the list goes on . . .
That's more than enough to identify Stain de STD as a radical fascist
without a conservative bone in his body. Unless, that is, you count
Dirty Uncle Jafo's lame old willy-pete, on account of its being
"conservatively small".


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DCI
2006-11-02 17:06:42 UTC
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Post by DCI
Charity from the community to help those in the community.
Responsibly caring/maintaining private property.
Traditional family configurations. Caring for the members
of the family, especially, the children.
Exercising responsible free speech.
Respect for neighbors, their property, privacy, etc.
Living by the given word in social contractual matters.
And the list goes on . . .
That's more than enough to identify Stain de STD as a radical fascist
without a conservative bone in his body. Unless, that is, you count
Dirty Uncle Jafo's lame old willy-pete, on account of its being
"conservatively small".
With Slick ole Goose, it's SSDD.

DCI

Leif Erikson
2006-10-25 04:33:40 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
The issue isn't showing dead soldiers. The issue is going along with
this
guy, knowing he's out to kill one of our own. If any Allied journalist
had
been caught tagging along with the Nazis, he would have been shot as a
traitor - no trial, no detention, no pinko ACLU lawyers advocating his
case.
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it out
on their own.
The aftereffect of
showing dead American soldier is something this Administration
has been sucessful hiding from the public since the inception
of our occupation in the Middle East. How many American
coffins have you seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier,
No dead American soldier was shown in the video, Stain.
Post by Stan de SD
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit.
No.
Post by Stan de SD
It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy,
No, Stain. That's just your usual hysterical
"Traitor!" bullshit.
Post by Stan de SD
knowing he is
about to kill an American solder. Apparently cooperating with the enemy
There was no "cooperating with the enemy", Stain, and
you know it. That doesn't stop you from leveling a
false charge, though.
Post by Stan de SD
Btw, every ACLU attorney I've known are decent, hardworking
professionals protecting a document and upholding what the
Framers passed down to us. .
You lie. I once witnessed a female ACLU lawyer respond to her seatmate who
criticized her organization by calling the flight attendant and telling her
that her fellow passenger had "threatened" her.
You made that up.
Stan de SD
2006-10-25 19:16:46 UTC
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Post by Stan de SD
The issue isn't showing dead soldiers. The issue is going along with
this
guy, knowing he's out to kill one of our own. If any Allied journalist
had
been caught tagging along with the Nazis, he would have been shot as a
traitor - no trial, no detention, no pinko ACLU lawyers advocating his
case.
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it out
on their own.
The aftereffect of
showing dead American soldier is something this Administration
has been sucessful hiding from the public since the inception
of our occupation in the Middle East. How many American
coffins have you seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier,
No dead American soldier was shown in the video, Stain.
Post by Stan de SD
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit.
No.
Post by Stan de SD
It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy,
No, Stain. That's just your usual hysterical
"Traitor!" bullshit.
It isn't "bullshit". The film was made deliberately as a propaganda effort,
to bolster the morale of the terrorists and demoralize US troops. Not that I
would expect a stupid Norwegian (a country whose politicians openly
cooperated with the Nazis in selling out their own country) to understand
anything about military morale. Not to denigrate those brave Norwegians
standing ever so vigilant against the worldwide conspiracy of herring
poachers - but you're an "also-ran" country of cowards afraid to stand up to
the Muslim heathens overrunning your own sad excuse for a country:
==============================================

Stortinget, the Norwegian parliament, in April 2005 passed a new
Discrimination Act. The act says in pretty clear words that in cases of
suspected direct or indirect discrimination due to religion or ethnicity,
Norwegians are guilty until proven otherwise. To me, it is surprising that
they are allowed to pass such legislation at all. Isn't it a fundamental
part of all international law that a person should be innocent until proven
otherwise? Aren't our politicians thus depriving Norwegians of even the most
basic human rights? However, I have heard claims that it is technically
legal to do this. The act was passed in April with the approval of all
parties in parliament, more than 80 % of MPs, with the sole exception of the
right-wing Progress Party. Immigration spokesman for the Progress Party, Per
Sandberg, is deeply disappointed and fears the consequences of the new
legislation. "This will jeopardize the rights of ordinary, law-abiding
Norwegian citizens. The principle of reverse burden of proof means that
Norwegians are guilty of discrimination unless they can prove otherwise. It
will lead to many convictions of innocent people. Reverse burden of proof is
also combined with liability to pay compensation, which means that innocent
persons risk having to pay huge sums for things they didn't do."
It is unclear why this act is needed at all, given that a survey of
immigrants only a few months ago indicates that a vast majority don't feel
they've been discriminated against in Norway. Racism appears to be less
widespread than earlier believed. And why on earth are we supposed to show
this ridiculous reverence and respect for their utterly failed Islamic
cultures in the first place? Why should people who come from some of the
most advanced countries on the planet have to crawl for those who come from
the most backward ones? If their Islamic societies are so great, how come
people from these countries burn their passports and treat their fingers
with acid to remove fingerprints, all in order to get into our?

"Anti-racist" organizations are given a significant role in the new act.
There is a new, state-sponsored Equality Ombudsman who will be responsible
for enforcing it, and coerce all employers who refuse to abide by it. A
multicultural Inquisition, in other words. Cabinet minister Erna Solberg,
who has earlier called for the establishment of a sharia council in Norway,
proposed the new law. It will cover everything from the workplace to the
housing market. In a recent case, a local furniture store wouldn't allow a
female employee to wear a head scarf, arguing that it violated the store's
dress code. Solberg's proposal will toughen the law, and also require those
charged to mount proof of their innocence. Solberg argues that existing law
already makes it illegal for employers, for example, to prevent women from
wearing head scarves if their religion calls for it. Her proposed law "would
make this even more clear." This act could open the floodgates for all kinds
of unreasonable demands from Muslim immigrants in particular, who will be
given a licence for extortion of employers, courtesy of the Norwegian
parliament. For instance, it is likely that they can now claim that it is
"discrimination" if they don't have a special prayer room provided. Already,
Muslim taxi drivers demand a separate prayer room at Oslo Airport, where
they can pray during working hours, but have received a negative answer. The
leader of the Somali Taxi Association, Ali Hassan, finds this discriminating
and unacceptable, and is planning a law suit over the matter: "We think we
have a right to pray during working hours. We demand to get a room where we
can perform prayers, without losing our spot in the taxi queue." At the same
time as this is going on, blind people with their guide dogs are finding it
increasingly difficult to get a taxi ride in the Oslo region, where Muslims
make up a high percentage of cab drivers.

It is frustrating that Norwegian authorities make it mandatory for all
non-Muslims to accept hijab, the Islamic veil, in their workplace. Many
non-Muslims find hijab offensive, and even some Muslims, too. The veil, is
not "just a piece of cloth". It serves as a demarcation line between proper,
submissive Muslim women and whores, un-Islamic women who deserve no respect
and are asking for rape. The veil should more properly be viewed as the
uniform of a Totalitarian movement, and a signal to attack those outside the
movement. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen, Denmark, sparked a political
outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves
are "asking for rape." Apparently, he isn't the only Muslim in Europe to
think this way. Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported in 2001 that 65
percent of rapes in Oslo were performed by "non-Western" immigrants - a
category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a
professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, Unni Wikan, as
saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for
these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The
professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to
adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must
realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."
In January 2005, Norwegian media reported that 2004 saw the highest number
or rape charges ever recorded in the capital city of Oslo. Strangely enough,
there was now no mentioning of how immigrants were grossly overrepresented
in rape cases. Why not? Unless there has been a sudden and unexplained drop
in the number of immigrants raping Norwegian women between 2001 and 2004,
which is unlikely, the statistics should be at least as staggering in 2005
as they were before. If they are not revealed, it can only mean that
"somebody" didn't like the numbers presented in 2001, and decided to bury
them. That "somebody" must be a person high up in the police hierarchy,
maybe even in the government. The same thing happens in Sweden. So in the
end, the safety of young Scandinavian women is sacrificed in order to keep
the glossy image of a multicultural society intact.

Militant Islamists like Mullah Krekar do reside in Norway. Besides,
Norwegian police have already issued a mobile security alarm to Progress
Party leader Carl I Hagen. They worry that he's a target for terrorists
unhappy with some anti-Islamic remarks he made last summer. Hagen criticized
Islam, and could see no similarity with the concept of moral and justice
found in Christianity. Hagen also said that if Israel loses in the Middle
East, Europe will succumb to Islam next, if Islamic fundamentalists have it
their way. Christians should support Israel and oppose Islamic inroads into
Europe. In an unprecedented step, a group of Muslim ambassadors to Norway
blasted Carl I Hagen in a letter to newspaper Aftenposten, claiming he had
offended 1.3 billion Muslims around the world. Pakistan's ambassador in
particular has interfered in unacceptable ways in Norwegian internal affairs
before, trying to instruct and intimidate a Norwegian politician of
Pakistani origin who dared to voice her support for banning Islamic veils
from Norwegian schools.

Dr. Ole Jørgen Anfindsen, editor, HonestThinking.org, believes that
Norwegian authorities have cheated with prognoses for the number of
immigrants. According to his numbers, ethnic Norwegians will become a
minority in their own country before 2050 if the current trends continue.
The number of Muslims in Norway over 15 years has quadrupled, meaning an
annual growth of more than 9%. A Norwegian researcher warns that ethnic
gangs can give Norway the kind of immigrant-related organized crime that
accompanied waves of migration to the USA. Dr. Inger-Lise Lien concludes
that the ethnic groups themselves are worried. Oslo, which used to be a safe
Scandinavian city, today looks more like New York City pre-Giuliani. Native
Norwegians are quietly moving out of the immigrant ghettos in inner-city
Oslo in large numbers. Tensions with immigrants have spread even to smaller
towns. The trend is identical to what can be seen in neighboring Sweden,
where several cities are now on the verge of collapse. Norway has already
experienced what seems to have been an attempted Islamic terror attack. At
the same time, there is new legislation proposed against "discriminating"
statements made about specific groups, even on Internet discussion forums
and websites. Which means that Norwegians can't say too much about Muslim
immigrants destroying the country, because that is racism and thus illegal.
At a time when the multicultural ideology is increasingly seen as a mistake
in many countries, the authorities here respond by making it the official
state ideology and banning all opposition. The heavily left-leaning
Norwegian media are remarkably quiet about this, and do not make a fuzz
about this infringement of freedom of speech.

Scandinavia is a Utopia lost. Previously quiet Scandinavian nations now
suffer Islamic terror threats and death threats against people criticizing
Islam. Norway celebrates 100 years as an independent state this year.
Judging from this new Discrimination Act and the runaway Muslim immigration,
perhaps the anniversary should be called "From independence to
colonization". At the same time as their women are no longer safe in the
streets because of immigrant gangs, the authorities respond by making
Norwegians de facto second-rate citizens in their own country. They use
their own people as stepping stones for their personal careers in the UN
bureaucracy. Pompous, hypocritical Scandinavian clowns, lecturing about how
to create the perfect society while their own citizens find it increasingly
hard to live in their major cities.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/05/20/042417.php

Norwegian Authorities Still Covering Up Muslim Rapes

In a questions and answers session with newspaper Aftenposten's readers,
Opjordsmoen has some politically correct comments, saying that they don't
know what percentage of these rapes are committed by people with immigrant
background, and that much of these speculations is just "prejudice."

With all due respect, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. Just a few weeks
earlier, Aftenposten warned that "youths" are in the process of destroying
Norway's capital city, Oslo. Upon closer inspection, it turned out that
these "youths" bear a striking resemblance to the same "youths" with Muslim
immigrant background that are destroying so many cities across Western
Europe. I know Norwegian girls that have experienced harassment by gangs,
and it almost always involves Muslims: Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Pakistanis, and
Somalis.

A 17-year-old Somalian was convicted of the rape of a young girl in Oslo one
year ago. The court stated that the rape was unusually brutal and lasted for
several hours. The Somalian choked the girl for so long that the medical
doctor who examined the girl said that she could have died. The girl is now
suffering from severe psychological problems in the aftermath of the attack.
The youth was sentenced to four and half years in prison. The sentence also
included another rape, where his Norwegian-Moroccan friend raped a
13-year-old girl whilst the Somalian helped to threaten her and keep guard.
She has been traumatized from the incident.

However, Aftenposten seems conveniently enough to have forgotten an article
they printed five years ago. In 2001, two out of three charged with rape in
Norway's capital were immigrants with a non-western background according to
a police study. Norwegian women were victims in 80 percent of the cases.

Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in
2001 said that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for
these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The
professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to
adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must
realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

The numbers published in September 2001 were discussed in at least to out of
Norway's three largest newspapers: Aftenposten and Dagbladet. A leading
member of the Liberal Party (Venstre), Odd Einar Dørum, demanded that all
the numbers should be put on the table: "A scumbag is a scumbag, regardless
of skin color".

From 2001 to 2005, Dørum was Minister of Justice, and yet nobody has seen
these statistics since 2001. The number of rape charges in Oslo has
continued to rise, reaching record levels in 2005. There is ample evidence
of brutal gang rapes, something that used to be rare in Scandinavia, being
committed by immigrants against native girls. For instance, 21st of July
2005, three men were charged with gang raping a 15-year-old Norwegian girl,
who was dragged into a car while waiting for a bus at the bus station in the
town of Fredrikstad. All the men were of "foreign origin". Such cases have
become almost routine. The only possible explanation for why we are no
longer presented statistics showing the percentage of immigrants involved in
this is that the authorities are covering it up. Usually, this would have
made the media call for the government's resignation. This has not happened,
although I know several journalists have been reading the posts I have made
about this topic, both in English and in Norwegian.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/07/norwegian-authorities-still-covering.html
Leif Erikson
2006-10-25 20:55:58 UTC
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Post by Leif Erikson
Post by Stan de SD
The issue isn't showing dead soldiers. The issue is going along with
this
guy, knowing he's out to kill one of our own. If any Allied journalist
had
been caught tagging along with the Nazis, he would have been shot as a
traitor - no trial, no detention, no pinko ACLU lawyers advocating his
case.
You're always telling people what the issue is.
I tell people what the issue is when they demonstrably can't figure it
out
Post by Leif Erikson
Post by Stan de SD
on their own.
The aftereffect of
showing dead American soldier is something this Administration
has been sucessful hiding from the public since the inception
of our occupation in the Middle East. How many American
coffins have you seen with the U.S. flag drapped over then?
Why do you desperately want to see a dead American soldier,
No dead American soldier was shown in the video, Stain.
Post by Stan de SD
None but for a couple of clandestine photos taken. Grinder
is right -- it has everything to do with showing dead soldiers.
Bullshit.
No.
Post by Stan de SD
It has to do with knowing cooperating with an enemy,
No, Stain. That's just your usual hysterical
"Traitor!" bullshit.
It isn't "bullshit".
It *IS* bullshit, Stain - your usual "Traitor!
Traitor!" bullshit.
Post by Stan de SD
The film was made deliberately as a propaganda effort,
The CNN reporters did not "tag along" with any enemy
combatants, Stain, as you wrongly said. You lied.
Post by Stan de SD
to bolster the morale of the terrorists and demoralize US troops.
No one cares why they did it, Stain. The fact is, CNN
obtained the film footage legitimately, and it was
newsworthy. They were not "cooperating with the
enemy", you fucking idiot.

[snip remainder of Stain's shit hemorrhage]

Face the facts, Stain: your shrill, hysterical
shrieking that those who tell the truth about the
calamitous quagmire in Iraq are somehow "cooperating
with the enemy" just doesn't work any more. I'm
surprised you are even trying it, Stain - your boy
George has even conceded that we are not going to "stay
the course", not that he ever had an idea of what "the
course" was.

It's time to thrown in the towel on your dirty little
3-card monte attempt to equate "support the troops"
with "support the ill-conceived, immoral, likely
illegal mission they're on". No one is going for that
any more, you fucking gutless cocksucker. CNN is not
undermining the troops or their morale; they are
accurately reporting on what an unmitigated failure the
Iraq quagmire is. You'll live with that, Stain,
whether you like it or not. I hope you *don't* like
it, Stain, because you're a gutless punk shitbag and I
like to imagine impotent little pseudo-tough shitbags
like you stamping your feet and crying when your house
of cards is blown over.
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