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Barack Obama has a cult...
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d***@rocketmail.com
2008-10-27 19:50:32 UTC
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I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.

This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
thomas p.
2008-10-27 20:26:06 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
Gosh, do you mean to say that in the middle of a national election one of
the candidates has his picture up all over the place? Why that is
positively unprecedented in US politcs. No doubt the other man is much more
circumspect.
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
You are really weird.
Mark K. Bilbo
2008-10-30 02:40:32 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:26:06 +0100 in
Post by thomas p.
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if you
don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you go is
Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee mugs,
graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa. The
Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
Gosh, do you mean to say that in the middle of a national election one
of the candidates has his picture up all over the place?
WHAAAAAAAAAAAT????


No way! Really?
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t***@gmail.com
2008-10-31 12:18:41 UTC
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:26:06 +0100 in
Post by thomas p.
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if you
don't believe me you should visit San Francisco.  Everywhere you go is
Obama.  Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee mugs,
graffiti, and more.  It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa. The
Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
Gosh, do you mean to say that in the middle of a national election one
of the candidates has his picture up all over the place?
WHAAAAAAAAAAAT????
No way! Really?
It is hard to believe. What is the country coming to. The next thing
will be spots on televisionl.
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
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 law with respect to religion and morality."
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Douglas Berry
2008-10-28 00:26:51 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) ***@rocketmail.com
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
Gee, it's almost like we're an overwhelmingly liberal, democratic city
in the final weeks of a national election...
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Actually, Stalin was allied with Hitler for a few years until Hitler
invaded Russia.

What he's going to do is lower taxes for 95% of US taxpayers.
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stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
DanielSan
2008-10-28 00:32:20 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
Gee, it's almost like we're an overwhelmingly liberal, democratic city
in the final weeks of a national election...
I wonder what would happen if this person walked around the middle of
Mobile, AL right now. Think there'd be a few McCain stickers out?
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Actually, Stalin was allied with Hitler for a few years until Hitler
invaded Russia.
What he's going to do is lower taxes for 95% of US taxpayers.
Or, he's going to try to. I hope the Republicans won't continue their
obstructionist tactics then blame it on Obama's "ineffectiveness".
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Free Lunch
2008-10-28 00:38:37 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by Douglas Berry
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
Gee, it's almost like we're an overwhelmingly liberal, democratic city
in the final weeks of a national election...
I wonder what would happen if this person walked around the middle of
Mobile, AL right now. Think there'd be a few McCain stickers out?
Post by Douglas Berry
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Actually, Stalin was allied with Hitler for a few years until Hitler
invaded Russia.
What he's going to do is lower taxes for 95% of US taxpayers.
Or, he's going to try to. I hope the Republicans won't continue their
obstructionist tactics then blame it on Obama's "ineffectiveness".
All the tax cuts run out. If they obstruct, they are voting to return to
the Clinton tax rates.
d***@rocketmail.com
2008-10-29 02:26:43 UTC
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Someone else wrote...
Post by Douglas Berry
What he's going to do is lower taxes for 95% of US taxpayers.
Or, he's going to try to.  I hope the Republicans won't continue their
obstructionist tactics then blame it on Obama's "ineffectiveness".
If Chairman Obama fails to keep his promises, it will be the fault of
reactionary Republican elements in the Politburo, and even renegade
Hillaristas who have been engaging in counter-revolutionary activities
ever since the Central Committee rejected Subcomandante Hillary's
nomination to lead the Party.


= = = = = = = = = = =

"‘Comrades,’ he said quietly, ‘do you know who is responsible for
this? Do you know the enemy who has come in the night and overthrown
our windmill? SNOWBALL!’ he suddenly roared in a voice of thunder.
‘Snowball has done this thing! In sheer malignity, thinking to set
back our plans and avenge himself for his ignominious expulsion, this
traitor has crept here under cover of night and destroyed our work of
nearly a year. Comrades, here and now I pronounce the death sentence
upon Snowball. ’Animal Hero, Second Class,’ and half a bushel of
apples to any animal who brings him to justice. A full bushel to
anyone who captures him alive!’"
-- Animal Farm
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
2008-10-28 04:15:15 UTC
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This is getting downright creepy.  Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality.  At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right.  Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones.  What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Good question. Obama can hardly be the worse of the two main choices (how
much worse than shrubbenführer can it get? Oh that's right, the palin'
bitch...! *head desk* ), but what exactly does "better" mean here?

Of course I'm kind of far from the battlefield (yet I'm also in "Obama
country", considering how well-loved he is here in goo' ol' Germany), so I
may have missed some things... but what I do know about Obama and his
stated goals doesn't sound like it has very much substance aside from the
ever-malleable, kind of ill-defined term "change".
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...

My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
John Baker
2008-10-28 13:43:54 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Wow, pictures of a candidate for President are plastered all over the
place during a Presidential election campaign. Yes, that certainly is
strange...

Moron.
d***@rocketmail.com
2008-10-28 20:33:05 UTC
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Post by John Baker
Wow, pictures of a candidate for President are plastered all over the
place during a Presidential election campaign. Yes, that certainly is
strange...
Moron.
They remind me of Saddam murals and they are at least as numerous.
And this is just as candidate, after he is coronated he will begin
erecting statues of himself.
SkyEyes
2008-10-28 23:01:46 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
Post by John Baker
Wow, pictures of a candidate for President are plastered all over the
place during a Presidential election campaign. Yes, that certainly is
strange...
Moron.
They remind me of Saddam murals and they are at least as numerous.
And this is just as candidate, after he is coronated he will begin
erecting statues of himself.
The verb is "to crown," not "to coronate." A "coronation" is a
ceremony where someone is "crowned." If you have to spew idiocy, can
you at least word it intelligently, or would that be asking too much?

Brenda "yes, I'm a grammar nazi" Nelson, A.A.#34
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thomas p.
2008-10-29 07:38:06 UTC
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Post by John Baker
Wow, pictures of a candidate for President are plastered all over the
place during a Presidential election campaign. Yes, that certainly is
strange...
Moron.
They remind me of Saddam murals and they are at least as numerous.
And this is just as candidate, after he is coronated he will begin
erecting statues of himself.
_____________________________________________________

Yes, after all what candidate in history has ever done something so awful as
to put his picture up all over the place during a campaign? How could Obama
be so evil?
Geode
2008-10-28 17:07:02 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco.  Everywhere you
go is Obama.  Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more.  It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy.  Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality.  At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right.  Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones.  What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Obama is god. Came here to save America and the world of this crisis.
stop
kujebak
2008-10-28 18:10:24 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity,
From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
CANTON, OH -- In a rousing speech his campaign billed as his "closing
argument," Obama laid out the case for electing him over his rival,
and returned to a theme that was a central part of his campaign during
the primaries: hope.
The roughly 33-minute speech repeated well-rehearsed lines and themes
from the campaign trail in recent weeks, but rather than with sharp
hits on McCain -- sparked by the news of the day -- Obama spelled out
the contrasts between the two candidates in more general terms,
especially on tax policy.
He hailed McCain for his service -- a line that has been a part of his
remarks intermittently throughout the campaign, yet that has been
missing in the past few weeks -- but said he electing him would mean a
continuation of the failed economic policies of George Bush.
Speaking before an audience of nearly 5,000 in a hard-hit area of a
state that has suffered with one of the highest jobless rates in the
nation, Obama portrayed himself as a champion of the middle class and
someone who would give tax breaks to working people, not just the
wealthy and big corporations, as he said McCain would.
Obama, who spoke with the help of a teleprompter (a common sight at
events in recent weeks), stressed the themes of hope, unity, and a new
kind of politics more than he has in recent weeks, arguing that the
size of the country's challenges -- economic and otherwise -- had
outgrown the "smallness of our politics." He added that to resolve the
economic crisis the country faces would require getting past the
ideological debates that divide right and left.
Our country's problems are bigger than the "smallness of our
politics"? What solution is he proposing here? Some sort of
benevolent dictatorship? Well, that sort of fits with his view of
the U.S. Constitution, in its present form, as one of the impe-
diments to meaningful social and economic justice through
"redistributive change", doesn't it?

Here is what Obama thinks about the U.S. Constitution:

http://kaybrooks.blogspot.com/2008/10/negative-liberties.html

Here we go again, Joe. Forget your would-be plumbing business.
Pay off your mortgage and go on welfare. That's the only way
you'll be able to secure your future under King Obama.
"In one week, you can put an end to the politics that would divide a
nation just to win an election; that tries to pit region against
region, and city against town, Republican against Democrat; that asks
us to fear at a time when we need hope," he said. "As I've said from
the day we began this journey all those months ago, the change we need
isn't just about new programs and policies. It's about a new attitude.
It's about new politics -- a politics that calls on our better angels
instead of encouraging our worst instincts; one that reminds us of the
obligations we have to ourselves and one another."
John Baker
2008-10-28 20:26:15 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
<***@eudoramail.com> wrote:


And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
kujebak
2008-10-28 22:45:56 UTC
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Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
aw
2008-10-29 00:12:08 UTC
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Post by kujebak
Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
Redistribution of wealth "works" only if you give $trillions
of taxpayers money to collapsing Banks and Wall street creeps
as you can lately see. Ask Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld, etc.:-))))
And BTW these money (of yours in the bank) is still there or in the pocket
of Bushe's boys? Goldman Sachs, AIG and rest of the shisters?
You must love Greenspan, Cramer, Larry Kudlow, right?
kujebak
2008-10-29 01:32:51 UTC
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Post by aw
Post by kujebak
Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
Redistribution of wealth "works" only if you give $trillions
of taxpayers money to collapsing Banks and Wall street creeps
as you can lately see. Ask Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld, etc.:-))))
And BTW these money (of yours in the bank) is still there or in the pocket
of Bushe's boys? Goldman Sachs, AIG and rest of the shisters?
You must love Greenspan, Cramer, Larry Kudlow, right?
How does any of this invalidate what I'm saying?
aw
2008-10-29 03:35:32 UTC
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Post by kujebak
Post by aw
Post by kujebak
Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
Redistribution of wealth "works" only if you give $trillions
of taxpayers money to collapsing Banks and Wall street creeps
as you can lately see. Ask Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld, etc.:-))))
And BTW these money (of yours in the bank) is still there or in the pocket
of Bushe's boys? Goldman Sachs, AIG and rest of the shisters?
You must love Greenspan, Cramer, Larry Kudlow, right?
How does any of this invalidate what I'm saying?
When Bush and his cronies spread the wealth of nation and taxpayers to
people which don't need it
then that is capitalism. When someone does the same to needy one that's
socialism. ;-) Dig it ?;-)
kujebak
2008-10-31 00:06:14 UTC
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Post by aw
Post by kujebak
Post by aw
Post by kujebak
Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
Redistribution of wealth "works" only if you give $trillions
of taxpayers money to collapsing Banks and Wall street creeps
as you can lately see. Ask Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld, etc.:-))))
And BTW these money (of yours in the bank) is still there or in the pocket
of Bushe's boys? Goldman Sachs, AIG and rest of the shisters?
You must love Greenspan, Cramer, Larry Kudlow, right?
How does any of this invalidate what I'm saying?
When Bush and his cronies spread the wealth of nation and taxpayers to
people which don't need it
then that is capitalism. When someone does the same to needy one that's
socialism. ;-) Dig it ?;-)- Hide quoted text -
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I don't know where you got the impression I agreed
with the bailout.
t***@gmail.com
2008-10-31 12:25:05 UTC
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Post by aw
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Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
Redistribution of wealth "works" only if you give $trillions
of taxpayers money to collapsing Banks and Wall street creeps
as you can lately see. Ask Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld, etc.:-))))
And BTW these money (of yours in the bank) is still there or in the pocket
of Bushe's boys? Goldman Sachs, AIG and rest of the shisters?
You must love Greenspan, Cramer, Larry Kudlow, right?
How does any of this invalidate what I'm saying?
When Bush and his cronies spread the wealth of nation and taxpayers to
people which don't need it
then that is capitalism. When someone does the same to needy one that's
socialism. ;-) Dig it ?;-)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I don't know where you got the impression I agreed
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I don't know where you got the impression that Obama wants to
eliminate economic differences or that he is anything like a Marxist.
kujebak
2008-10-31 15:33:05 UTC
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Post by John Baker
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT), kujebak
And His Majesty George I thinks it's just "a goddamn piece of paper."
What GW thinks of the Constitution is not relevant. What
matters in this context is that he doesn't give a shit how
much money I got in the bank, like Obama does, 'cause
it's my money. I earned it, so it should be mine to spend
whichever way I please. I should be able to spend it on
the most obscene symbols of boastful affluence as easily
as I could give it away to those in need. Of my own volition.
Post by John Baker
Your point, assuming you have one, would be...?
Redistribution of wealth spreads poverty, not wealth.
Google it up under "20th century socialist experiments",
before you address this subject again. Assuming of
course you have a brain ;-)
Redistribution of wealth "works" only if you give $trillions
of taxpayers money to collapsing Banks and Wall street creeps
as you can lately see. Ask Bernanke, Paulson, Fuld, etc.:-))))
And BTW these money (of yours in the bank) is still there or in the pocket
of Bushe's boys? Goldman Sachs, AIG and rest of the shisters?
You must love Greenspan, Cramer, Larry Kudlow, right?
How does any of this invalidate what I'm saying?
When Bush and his cronies spread the wealth of nation and taxpayers to
people which don't need it
then that is capitalism. When someone does the same to needy one that's
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I don't know where you got the impression I agreed
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Have you heard of Joe the Plumber?
You know that guy who caused so much conster-
nation in the Obama campaign, they even nosed in
his child support payment history in order to find
more ways to diminish his credibility. It was really
pathetic to watch. To see that no one in the media
was stopping at what Obama was actually saying,
as they ripped into this guy, who had the gall to in-
convenience the "messiah" with a direct question.
Where do you get your news from?
Douglas Berry
2008-11-01 07:13:01 UTC
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Have you heard of Joe the Plumber?
You mean the guy isn't licensed to work as a plumber?

The guy with a lein on his house for unpaid medical bills?

The guy with $38,000 in unpaid back taxes?

The guy who lied about his income and the value of the business he
isn't qualified to buy?
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stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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2008-10-28 18:51:18 UTC
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I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Create death squads targeting anybody that posted a negative comment
about him.
Bill Z.
2008-10-28 19:05:55 UTC
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I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
I guess that tells us something about where you hang out. :-)

Seriously, though, the "middle of the road" in San Francisco is
well to the left of the U.S. average, so it is hardly surprising
that nearly everyone would support the more liberal of the two
presidential candidates, even if that candidate is well to the
right of the SF average.
Douglas Berry
2008-10-29 01:57:37 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
I guess that tells us something about where you hang out. :-)
Seriously, though, the "middle of the road" in San Francisco is
well to the left of the U.S. average, so it is hardly surprising
that nearly everyone would support the more liberal of the two
presidential candidates, even if that candidate is well to the
right of the SF average.
Add to that the fact the the current Speaker of the House is elected
from SF.

We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/george-w-bush-sewage-pla_n_94601.html
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source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
kujebak
2008-10-29 05:17:27 UTC
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I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco.  Everywhere you
go is Obama.  Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more.  It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
I guess that tells us something about where you hang out. :-)
Seriously, though, the "middle of the road" in San Francisco is
well to the left of the U.S. average, so it is hardly surprising
that nearly everyone would support the more liberal of the two
presidential candidates, even if that candidate is well to the
right of the SF average.
Add to that the fact the the current Speaker of the House is elected
from SF.
We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/george-w-bush-sewage-pla_n_9...
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Cindy Sheehan hates Bush too. Why not give her a chance?
But seriously, Junior, I don't mean to jerk your binky, but since
the election is only a week away, it's time somebody told you.
BUSH is NOT RUNNING this time.
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2008-10-29 11:58:41 UTC
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We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/george-w-bush-sewage-pla_n_9...
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Cindy Sheehan hates Bush too. Why not give her a chance?
Because she's a moron.
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But seriously, Junior,
Junior? And how old are you?
Post by kujebak
I don't mean to jerk your binky, but since
the election is only a week away, it's time somebody told you.
BUSH is NOT RUNNING this time.
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
kujebak
2008-10-29 16:59:49 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:17:27 -0700 (PDT) kujebak
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Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/george-w-bush-sewage-pla_n_9...
--
Cindy Sheehan hates Bush too. Why not give her a chance?
Because she's a moron.
Post by kujebak
But seriously, Junior,
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
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Post by kujebak
I don't mean to jerk your binky, but since
the election is only a week away, it's time somebody told you.
BUSH is NOT RUNNING this time.
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
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source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Douglas Berry
2008-10-30 02:37:07 UTC
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Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
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Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
kujebak
2008-10-30 05:26:51 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words) is one of the
basic tenets of Marxistm. It implies a belief that free market
economy cannot by itself engender a just society. There is
a fundamental difference between a progressive tax code,
such as we have today, structured to ease the burden public
financing on low income segments of society, and designing
a tax code with the specific intent to eliminate economic dis-
parity, as it would appear Obama's tax plan seems to be pro-
missing. It is certainly what "redistribution of wealth" meant to
Obama's father, an avowed Marxist, and the most significant
early ideological influence, and what it also means to anyone
who truly does know anything about Marxism.
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
DanielSan
2008-10-30 05:35:53 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
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2008-10-31 00:45:11 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
Public Radio Station:

"But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize
the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from
the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers
in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren
Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Consti-
tution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states
can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do
to you, BUT IT DOESN"T SAY WHAT THE FEDERAL OR
STATE GOVERNMENT MUST DO ON YOUR BEHALF, and
that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil
rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement
became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose
track of the political and community organizing and activities
on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition
of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.
In some ways we still suffer from that."

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.

Audio of that interview can be found here:

http://kaybrooks.blogspot.com/2008/10/negative-liberties.html
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?

<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.

But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
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2008-10-31 02:46:13 UTC
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On  Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) kujebak
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.

2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.

3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.

Shall I go on?
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2008-10-31 02:49:50 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice" and how can you
construe that from the quote provided?
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
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* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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2008-10-31 03:33:24 UTC
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On  Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) kujebak
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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2008-10-31 05:30:46 UTC
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On  Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) kujebak
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Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
Post by DanielSan
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* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and   *
* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) kujebak
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
--
******************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
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2008-10-31 12:31:27 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
The truth is that any government that collects taxes and spends money
redistributes wealth. According to the argument provided so far by
those accusing Obama of being socialist or Marxist, every country in
the world is socialist.
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*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and   *
* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
* bad weekend for them.                              *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
The truth is that any government that collects taxes and spends money
redistributes wealth. According to the argument provided so far by
those accusing Obama of being socialist or Marxist, every country in
the world is socialist.
Correct. I was attempting to get to that point, but first I have to
show that the Republicans were guilty of "wealth redistribution" too.
Just that their "redistribution" goes to the top.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
The truth is that any government that collects taxes and spends money
redistributes wealth.  According to the argument provided so far by
those accusing Obama of being socialist or Marxist, every country in
the world is socialist.
And that makes it OK?
That's a really thoughtful conclusion ;-)
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* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and   *
* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
* bad weekend for them.                              *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top. Those who believe in
such things that it is possible to redistribute wealth
"upwards" are socialists. In order for me to continue
this discussion, I would have to invalidate 60 years
of history that led to the collapse of the Iron Curtain,
as well as 20 years of my own life behind it.
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*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and   *
* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
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Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No. Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top. You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
--
******************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
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2008-11-01 02:29:47 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No.  Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top.  You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all, and an extra few hundred
dollars in *your* cookie jar which you could use to hire a
Home Depot Mexican to pull out a stump in your backyard,
which one of these two exchanges would you consider
"wealth distribution"? This is not an essay question, be-
cause of the one fundamental difference between these
two transactions, which I'll explain later if need be ;-)
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*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and   *
* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
* bad weekend for them.                              *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No. Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top. You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
--
******************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
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2008-11-01 03:18:21 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No.  Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top.  You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS nearly 46 million tax filers -
one-third of all filers - had no tax liability in 2006.
They couldn't all have been Warren Buffets :-)
It's out there. Look it up!
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*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and   *
* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No. Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top. You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS
And the IRS isn't the only organization that collects taxes.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a
judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had
the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things
would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is
nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the
Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist
Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
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Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and
you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to
cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No. Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top.
You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS
And the IRS isn't the only organization that collects taxes.
Okay, perhaps I was being too dismissive. I'll answer your question,
ignoring the first lie. Let me repost your question in its entirety:

---
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all, and an extra few hundred
dollars in *your* cookie jar which you could use to hire a
Home Depot Mexican to pull out a stump in your backyard,
which one of these two exchanges would you consider
"wealth distribution"? This is not an essay question, be-
cause of the one fundamental difference between these
two transactions, which I'll explain later if need be ;-)
---

Neither are "wealth redistribution".
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*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No.  Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top.  You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS
And the IRS isn't the only organization that collects taxes.
Just in case you're alluding to Social Security, SSI is
not a tax. It is an insurance premium against disabi-
lity/old-age destitution. SSI stand for "supplemental
security income".
Who else collect taxes from the poor?
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* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No. Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top. You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS
And the IRS isn't the only organization that collects taxes.
Just in case you're alluding to Social Security, SSI is
not a tax. It is an insurance premium against disabi-
lity/old-age destitution. SSI stand for "supplemental
security income".
Who else collect taxes from the poor?
I'm not alluding to Social Security. I'm talking about sales taxes, for
instance.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"?  What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan.  Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
    filers above $200000/year.
 2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
     don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
     begin with.
 3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
     to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes.  Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit.  I do have an understanding of that.  You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time.  In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No.  Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top.  You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS
And the IRS isn't the only organization that collects taxes.
Just in case you're alluding to Social Security, SSI is
not a tax. It is an insurance premium against disabi-
lity/old-age destitution. SSI stand for "supplemental
security income".
Who else collect taxes from the poor?
I'm not alluding to Social Security.  I'm talking about sales taxes, for
instance.
You don't think the poor should pay any sales tax?
I don't either. They don't pay the sales tax on most
things they spend their money on, such as groceries.
How would you implement exempting the poor from
sales taxes on non-essentials?
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* was resurrected on a Sunday.  It is not so much    *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very     *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But,
Why did this citation begin with "but"? What was before?
Post by kujebak
the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
And how is that relevant to Obama's economic plan?
How is Obama's concept of "economic justice" not relevant
to his economic plan?
And what is Obama's concept of "economic justice"
and how can you construe that from the quote provided?
Is this an essay question?
Post by DanielSan
Post by kujebak
Post by DanielSan
<snipped irrelevancy about the civil rights movement>
Post by kujebak
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Or, he was talking about something altogether different and you tried to
link a previous statement about "redistribution of wealth" to an
ENTIRELY NEW subject.
You are welcome to hear the whole interview ;-)
Post by DanielSan
But, either way, that's not Obama's economic plan. Care to cite his
actual plan that include wealth redistribution?
1. Increasing progressivity of the tax code for personal
filers above $200000/year.
2. Offering "tax savings" to 40 million Americans who
don't earn enough to owe any federal income tax to
begin with.
3. Promising to remove the ceiling on wages subject
to payroll taxes.
Shall I go on?
Yes. Care to show how that's wealth distribution?
It's clear I have about as much chance making
you understand, as I would a 3-year old :-)
So, you can't show how it's wealth redistribution.
In order to have a meaningful discussion of Obama's
philosophy as revealed by his biographical narrative
and his election campaign rhetoric, and its effect on
his economic and fiscal initiatives after he becomes
President, we both should have an understanding
that economic redistribution through government
programs is not in our society's best interest.
This is obviously not the case here.
I call bullshit. I do have an understanding of that. You, however,
seem to ignore the fact that's we've been redistributing wealth for a
long time. In fact, in the past twenty years, we've been redistributing
wealth UPWARDS in a reverse Robin Hood scenario (or, more accurately, a
Prince John scenario).
I think it's funny we don't even seem to agree what
wealth is. In a capitalist society wealth can only be
created and flow from the top.
No. Wealth is CREATED from the bottom and flows up to the top. You're
espousing Reaganomics...which brought us the mess we're in now.
OK, let me ask you this: After comparing the following
two situations, one represented by a "tax rebate" check
to Joe, a McDonald's burger flipper who doesn't make
enought to pay any taxes at all,
Okay, I'm going to stop you here because you just told a bald-faced lie.
According to the IRS
And the IRS isn't the only organization that collects taxes.
Just in case you're alluding to Social Security, SSI is
not a tax. It is an insurance premium against disabi-
lity/old-age destitution. SSI stand for "supplemental
security income".
Who else collect taxes from the poor?
I'm not alluding to Social Security. I'm talking about sales taxes, for
instance.
You don't think the poor should pay any sales tax?
I don't either. They don't pay the sales tax on most
things they spend their money on, such as groceries.
How would you implement exempting the poor from
sales taxes on non-essentials?
....wait, where did you get "exempting" from?
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* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words)
[citation needed]
Obama's own statement from a 2001 interview with Chicago's
"But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues
of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, and of more basic issues
such as POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE IN SOCIETY.
To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize
the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from
the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers
in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren
Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Consti-
tution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states
can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do
to you, BUT IT DOESN"T SAY WHAT THE FEDERAL OR
STATE GOVERNMENT MUST DO ON YOUR BEHALF, and
that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil
rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement
became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose
track of the political and community organizing and activities
on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition
of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.
In some ways we still suffer from that."
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way to interpret
Obama's line of reasoning expressed above, and that is that
he believes it is the government's responsibility to eliminate
economic differences in our society, as well as political in-
justice, and that the civil rights legislation of the 1960's and
70's didn't go far enough to this end.
Odd that he did not say that, but one cannot argue about the
impression you received no matter how little it is supported by what
was actually said.
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http://kaybrooks.blogspot.com/2008/10/negative-liberties.html
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Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
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Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words) is one of the
basic tenets of Marxistm. It implies a belief that free market
economy cannot by itself engender a just society. There is
a fundamental difference between a progressive tax code,
such as we have today, structured to ease the burden public
financing on low income segments of society, and designing
a tax code with the specific intent to eliminate economic dis-
parity, as it would appear Obama's tax plan seems to be pro-
missing.
Please quote the part of Obama's plan or anything that Obama has said
that would suggest such a thing.

It is certainly what "redistribution of wealth" meant to
Post by kujebak
Obama's father, an avowed Marxist, and the most significant
early ideological influence, and what it also means to anyone
who truly does know anything about Marxism.
The Republicans certainly seem to know a lot about the effectiveness
of repeating a lie loudly and constantly.
Post by kujebak
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kujebak
2008-10-31 18:03:37 UTC
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Post by kujebak
On  Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) kujebak
alt.atheism
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
Junior? And how old are you?
I was alluding to your naivete ;-)
Wow, are you off the mark!
Post by kujebak
Post by Douglas Berry
If you don't think this entire election isn't a judgement on the Bush
years, you don't understand American politics. Had the GOP nominated
someone who wasn't in Bush's pocket then maybe things would be
different.
A protest vote for an unabashed Marxist doesn't
indicate much insight. Political or any other.
Obama has hijacked the Democrat Party, and
has taken it to ideological territory yet to be fully
explored.
Funny, I've studied Marxism, and Obama's plan is nothing like it.
Perhaps you could explain exactly what parts of the Obama economic
plan matches up with Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto?
"Redistribution of wealth" (Obama's own words) is one of the
basic tenets of Marxistm. It implies a belief that free market
economy cannot by itself engender a just society. There is
a fundamental difference between a progressive tax code,
such as we have today, structured to ease the burden public
financing on low income segments of society, and designing
a tax code with the specific intent to eliminate economic dis-
parity, as it would appear Obama's tax plan seems to be pro-
missing.
Please quote the part of Obama's plan or anything that Obama has said
that would suggest such a thing.
It is certainly what "redistribution of wealth" meant to
Post by kujebak
Obama's father, an avowed Marxist, and the most significant
early ideological influence, and what it also means to anyone
who truly does know anything about Marxism.
The Republicans certainly seem to know a lot about the effectiveness
of repeating a lie loudly and constantly.
Which lie is that? That Obama's father was a Marxist?
Or that I probably know a lot more about Marxism than
DS, despite his own unambiguous left-wing upbringing ;-)
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Post by kujebak
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source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -
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Douglas Berry
2008-11-01 07:11:07 UTC
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Post by kujebak
Which lie is that? That Obama's father was a Marxist?
My father was a British travel agent. Does that make me a British
travel agent?

And note that Obama's dad lit out of town when Obama was two years
old. I doubt they had many father-son chats about lifting the burden
of the proletariat.
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
peter
2008-10-29 15:04:16 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.
I love Doug so much, that I named my cock after him. Now if you will
excuse me, I'm going to spank my Dougie.
c***@aol.com
2008-10-29 19:25:30 UTC
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Post by Douglas Berry
We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.
I love Doug so much, that I named my cock after him. Now if you will
excuse me, I'm going to spank my Dougie.
You better put a condom on first. "Dingle-Berry" likes to spit when
provoked.
Douglas Berry
2008-10-30 02:35:11 UTC
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Post by peter
Post by Douglas Berry
We really hate Bush. To the point that we're about to name a sewage
treatment plant after his sorry ass.
I love Doug so much, that I named my cock after him. Now if you will
excuse me, I'm going to spank my Dougie.
You better put a condom on first. "Dingle-Berry" likes to spit when
provoked.
"Dingle-Berry"? You actually used that? Dude, I first got called that
in the second grade and people were over it by the fourth.

Shows the level of intellect we're dealing with here.

Oh, I don't spit. I wear full dentures, and the upper plate makes it
difficult.

alt.autos.mini snipped
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
babeejm
2008-10-28 19:25:44 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
I think Obmamamania has gotten out of hand..but then what do you expect.
XaurreauX
2008-10-28 20:41:34 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco.  Everywhere you
go is Obama.  Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more.  It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy.  Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality.  At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right.  Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones.  What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Whew! They can't pull the wool over your eyes, can they? We're just
no match for your political astuteness!
MarkA
2008-10-28 21:27:01 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Get us out of Iraq? Restore America's image of benevolence in the world
community? Ease taxes on the middle class? Promote scientific
advancement, such as stem-cell research, that has been stifled by the
Religious Reich? Develop a system for universal healthcare? Restore the
preparedness of our military?

At this point, being the "opposition to George W Bush" is a significant
asset.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
thomas p.
2008-10-29 07:42:44 UTC
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Post by MarkA
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
Get us out of Iraq? Restore America's image of benevolence in the world
community? Ease taxes on the middle class? Promote scientific
advancement, such as stem-cell research, that has been stifled by the
Religious Reich? Develop a system for universal healthcare? Restore the
preparedness of our military?
At this point, being the "opposition to George W Bush" is a significant
asset.
Okay, okay, but besides that.
Post by MarkA
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MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Mark K. Bilbo
2008-10-30 02:39:38 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:32 -0700 in
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if you
don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you go is
Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee mugs,
graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa. The
Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but that
has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin opposed
Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's policies the
correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he thinks he is so
popular that nothing can stop him?
It's pretty pathetic that it's been so long since the US public has
actually been excited about and involved with the democratic process that
it looks so "weird" to so many people...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“A national political campaign is better than the best
circus ever heard of, with a mass baptism and a couple
of hangings thrown in. ”

- H. L. Mencken
John Baker
2008-10-30 03:27:07 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:39:38 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:32 -0700 in
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if you
don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you go is
Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee mugs,
graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa. The
Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but that
has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin opposed
Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's policies the
correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he thinks he is so
popular that nothing can stop him?
It's pretty pathetic that it's been so long since the US public has
actually been excited about and involved with the democratic process that
it looks so "weird" to so many people...
I recall another time when people were so disillusioned with GOP
corruption and incompetence that they turned out in force to vote for
the opposition. That time we got Jimmy Carter. Let's hope we do better
this time. <G>
Mark K. Bilbo
2008-10-30 16:13:34 UTC
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Post by John Baker
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:32 -0700 in
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
It's pretty pathetic that it's been so long since the US public has
actually been excited about and involved with the democratic process
that it looks so "weird" to so many people...
I recall another time when people were so disillusioned with GOP
corruption and incompetence that they turned out in force to vote for
the opposition. That time we got Jimmy Carter. Let's hope we do better
this time. <G>
I read about another time people were so disillusioned with the GOP over
the economy, the GOP spent the next sixty years or so as the minority
party...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."

- Jerry Sturdivant
John Baker
2008-10-30 18:41:30 UTC
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Post by Mark K. Bilbo
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:27:07 -0400 in
Post by John Baker
Post by Mark K. Bilbo
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:32 -0700 in
Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco. Everywhere you
go is Obama. Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more. It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy. Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality. At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right. Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones. What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
It's pretty pathetic that it's been so long since the US public has
actually been excited about and involved with the democratic process
that it looks so "weird" to so many people...
I recall another time when people were so disillusioned with GOP
corruption and incompetence that they turned out in force to vote for
the opposition. That time we got Jimmy Carter. Let's hope we do better
this time. <G>
I read about another time people were so disillusioned with the GOP over
the economy, the GOP spent the next sixty years or so as the minority
party...
Now *that* would be a *good* thing. <G>
Al Nakba
2008-11-06 19:34:27 UTC
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Post by d***@rocketmail.com
I've been referring to Obama as a cult leader for some time, and if
you don't believe me you should visit San Francisco.  Everywhere you
go is Obama.  Obama posters, t-shirts, murals, stickers, pins, coffee
mugs, graffiti, and more.  It's sort of like xmas with a black Santa.
The Obama cult is especially strong in the Haight-Ashbury district and
Castro Street, but local cells exist throughout the city and entire
state of California.
This is getting downright creepy.  Obama offers no ideas that would
explain his wild popularity, it seems to be a cult of personality.  At
the very least, Obama represents opposition to George W. Bush, but
that has transformed into a belief that Obama must be right.  Stalin
opposed Hitler and vice-versa, but that didn't make the rival's
policies the correct ones.  What will Obama do as president if he
thinks he is so popular that nothing can stop him?
The Obamanation of desolation is also known as The Prince of Darkness..
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