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Republicans Fight Obama's Stimulus Plan, Fearing Its Success Will Mean
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s***@diesel.eng
2009-01-08 18:28:39 UTC
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Republicans Fight Obama's Stimulus Plan, Fearing Its Success Will Mean
Years of Political Oblivion

By Dean Baker, Posted January 6, 2009.

For Republicans, one lesson of the New Deal is that it left the
Democrats firmly in power for more than 20 years.

At least some Republicans are starting to muster an anti-stimulus
drive, claiming that President-elect Obama's package will not help the
economy. Their drive is centered on what they claim is a careful
rereading of the history of the New Deal. According to their account,
President Roosevelt's policies actually lengthened the Great
Depression.

In their story, we would have been better off if we just left the
market to adjust by itself. New Deal programs that directly employed
people, or in other ways supported living standards, created an
uncertain investment climate. They claim that this uncertainty slowed
the process of market adjustment that was necessary for returning to
high levels of employment.

he Wagner Act, which created the legal framework for the union
organizing drives of the era, stands out as being especially
pernicious in their story. The Fair Labor Standards Act, which created
the 40-hour workweek and established the first national minimum wage,
also gets singled out for criticism. In this new reading of history,
what most people consider the great successes of the New Deal simply
worsened the Great Depression.

In reality, any careful reading showed that the New Deal policies
substantially ameliorated the effects of the Great Depression for tens
of millions of people. The major economic failing of the New Deal was
that President Roosevelt was not prepared to push the policies as far
as necessary to fully lift the economy out of the Great Depression.

Roosevelt was too worried about the whining of the anti-stimulus crowd
that he confronted. He remained concerned about balancing the budget
when the proper goal of fiscal policy should have been large deficits
to stimulate the economy. Roosevelt's policies substantially reduced
the unemployment rate from the 25 percent peak when he first took
office, but they did not get the unemployment rate back into single
digits.

It took the enormous public spending associated with World War II to
fully lift the economy out of the depression. The lesson that
economists take away from this experience is that we should be
prepared to run very large deficits in order to give the economy a
sufficient boost to generate self-sustaining growth.

However, from the standpoint of Republicans, the more ominous lesson
of the New Deal policies is that it left the Democrats firmly in power
for more than 20 years. The Republicans did not regain the White House
until 1952, 20 years after President Roosevelt was first elected.

Imagine how terrifying the prospect of 20 years of Democratic
presidencies must be for the current generation of Republican leaders.
This would mean that they would not retake the White House until 2028,
just 20 years before the Social Security trust fund is first projected
to face a shortfall.

In 2028, Newt Gingrich will be 85 years old; Mitt Romney will be 81;
Mike Huckabee will be 73 and Senator McCain will be 98. Even Sarah
Palin will be a less than youthful 64. In short, if President-elect
Obama is allowed to carry through with his stimulus package and the
rest of his ambitious domestic agenda, most of current leadership of
the Republican Party can expect to spend the rest of their political
career in the political wilderness, far removed from the centers of
power.

For this reason, the Republicans can be expected to adopt a strategy
aimed at delaying and diluting the stimulus. We can expect their
leaders to find every conceivable argument to slow down the spending
that the economy desperately needs right now to prevent further job
loss. While some of their concerns may be legitimate - we should all
support efforts to restrain wasteful pork barrel spending and rein in
corruption - these concerns should not be the basis for obstructing
stimulus. The public should be careful to distinguish legitimate
concerns from simple delaying tactics.

In short, we should realize that the main concern of some of those
opposed to stimulus may not be that it will fail, but rather that it
will succeed. Most of us don't have the same set of concerns.
Bill Z.
2009-01-08 19:50:44 UTC
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Post by s***@diesel.eng
Republicans Fight Obama's Stimulus Plan, Fearing Its Success Will Mean
Years of Political Oblivion
By Dean Baker, Posted January 6, 2009.
In short, we should realize that the main concern of some of those
opposed to stimulus may not be that it will fail, but rather that it
will succeed. Most of us don't have the same set of concerns.
Something else to keep in mind - the Bush deficits went primarily to
pay for an unneeded war. If we had spent the money instead on
infrastructure improvements and programs that would improve our
economic efficiency, we'd be in much better shape today.

A few years ago, I read about a comparison of various European
countries. What mattered for a high standard of living was not
whether taxes were low or high, but whether the country was managed
well - whether the money the government collects in taxes is spent
on programs that work and that provide a real benefit.

BTW, one thing that helped our economy after World War II was the GI
bill, which allowed a lot of people to get a college education. It
solved a problem - what do you do with a lot of people arriving back
home after a war when there aren't enough jobs for everyone? So
rather than put them on welfare, we gave them an education, which paid
for itself in improved productivity. We could only do it because it
was accepted as a payment for something they had done rather than as a
handout, bypassing the usual objections from conservatives.
g***@amusenet.com
2009-01-08 19:50:28 UTC
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Post by s***@diesel.eng
Republicans Fight Obama's Stimulus Plan, Fearing Its Success Will Mean
Years of Political Oblivion
that's a possibility, certainly.

There are consequences to screwing up the national economy big-time,
and possibly some rewards for straightening things up.

Hafta see how this one plays out.
Rightwingers_R_VERMIN
2009-01-08 22:08:52 UTC
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Post by s***@diesel.eng
Republicans Fight Obama's Stimulus Plan, Fearing Its Success Will Mean
Years of Political Oblivion
By Dean Baker, Posted January 6, 2009.
For Republicans, one lesson of the New Deal is that it left the
Democrats firmly in power for more than 20 years.
At least some Republicans are starting to muster an anti-stimulus
drive, claiming that President-elect Obama's package will not help the
economy. Their drive is centered on what they claim is a careful
rereading of the history of the New Deal. According to their account,
President Roosevelt's policies actually lengthened the Great
Depression.
In their story, we would have been better off if we just left the
market to adjust by itself. New Deal programs that directly employed
people, or in other ways supported living standards, created an
uncertain investment climate. They claim that this uncertainty slowed
the process of market adjustment that was necessary for returning to
high levels of employment.
he Wagner Act, which created the legal framework for the union
organizing drives of the era, stands out as being especially
pernicious in their story. The Fair Labor Standards Act, which created
the 40-hour workweek and established the first national minimum wage,
also gets singled out for criticism. In this new reading of history,
what most people consider the great successes of the New Deal simply
worsened the Great Depression.
In reality, any careful reading showed that the New Deal policies
substantially ameliorated the effects of the Great Depression for tens
of millions of people. The major economic failing of the New Deal was
that President Roosevelt was not prepared to push the policies as far
as necessary to fully lift the economy out of the Great Depression.
Roosevelt was too worried about the whining of the anti-stimulus crowd
that he confronted. He remained concerned about balancing the budget
when the proper goal of fiscal policy should have been large deficits
to stimulate the economy. Roosevelt's policies substantially reduced
the unemployment rate from the 25 percent peak when he first took
office, but they did not get the unemployment rate back into single
digits.
It took the enormous public spending associated with World War II to
fully lift the economy out of the depression. The lesson that
economists take away from this experience is that we should be
prepared to run very large deficits in order to give the economy a
sufficient boost to generate self-sustaining growth.
However, from the standpoint of Republicans, the more ominous lesson
of the New Deal policies is that it left the Democrats firmly in power
for more than 20 years. The Republicans did not regain the White House
until 1952, 20 years after President Roosevelt was first elected.
Imagine how terrifying the prospect of 20 years of Democratic
presidencies must be for the current generation of Republican leaders.
This would mean that they would not retake the White House until 2028,
just 20 years before the Social Security trust fund is first projected
to face a shortfall.
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Actually the reSCUMlicans were out power for about 44-45 years. It was
the afteraffects of 1965 and the Civil Rights ActS that saw the
majority-party Democratic coalition begin to break up around 1966-on.

Eisenhower may have been reSCUMlican by name but his policies, particulary
domestically, were pretty much New-Deal Democratic.

And the reSCUMlican control of Congress was really just a blip over those
4 decades: only in 1946 and 1952 did they get control of Congress and both
times the reSCUMlicans only retained control for one term and the only
thing to show for those combined 4 years was Taft-Hartley.

And also actually, despite the LIES propagated by the rightwing
reactionary reSCUMlican VERMINS the New Deal/Keynesian policies DID work:
FDR's fiscal stimulus brought unemployment down from that 25% to below 14%
AND once FDR cut back on the keynesian policies after the 1936 election
business stalled and unemployment jumped to around 16%.

What has to be taken into consideration is that the Republicans of FDR and
the 30s were NOT totally adverse to the Keynesian policies of the New
Deal. Despite the GOP's unfettered capitalism bent going back to the
GOP's "free soil" background, there was THEN a rather strong
progressive/liberal wing/segment within the GOP and that wing/segment -
THAT DID NOT CHANGE PARTY ALLEGIENCE TO THE DEMOCRATS - actually signed on
to many aspects of FDR's New Deal. AND the southern wing of the
Democratic party also had no qualms with the New Deal as it dealt with
economics and stayed away from social policy (i.e. race).

Of course the present day reSCUMlicans are not remotely related to the
Republicans of the 1930s: the contemporary reSCUMlican party is exactly
that: reSCUMlicans.

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