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"global warming" is a load of political activism crap.
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Clinton Communism
2017-09-22 22:32:13 UTC
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There is no proof, only manipulated statistics to get government
grant money.

Only an idiot would fall for it.
 
Bill Shatzer
2017-09-23 00:04:05 UTC
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Post by Clinton Communism
There is no proof, only manipulated statistics to get government
grant money.
Only an idiot would fall for it.
How long can you tread water?

peace and justice,
Curt Portland
2017-09-23 00:07:58 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Clinton Communism
There is no proof, only manipulated statistics to get government
grant money.
Only an idiot would fall for it.
How long can you tread water?
peace and justice,
How much longer can you survive as a KNOWN traitor?
I'm always reminded of YOUR very *special personal sentiments* regarding
the tragic terror attacks of 911, Bill:

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Bill Shatzer wrote:

And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.

It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.

Peace and justice,
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I think we can ALL do well to reflect on what kind of sick sociopath
would come up with those words in honor of 911...


Oh and let's add in your death threat against the President:

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Anyone else notice the similarities between Trump's attacks on the
"lying media" and "fake news" and the Nazi smear campaign against the
"Lugenpresse"?

You can, as they say, look it up.

This man must be stopped - peacefully if possible, otherwise if necessary.

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Twisted Billy, you are one twisted fascist.
Bobbie Sellers
2017-09-23 04:37:41 UTC
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Post by Clinton Communism
There is no proof, only manipulated statistics to get government
grant money.
Only an idiot would fall for it.
Only an idiot troll would fail to see the facts.
Note that the abject idiot in the WH fails to believe
in Global Warming. We must have a sense of Humor because
the Trump supporters elected a clown who thinks he won a crown.

The Gulf of Mexico is hotter than ever before.
In San Francisco we had the hottest day ever 108 F,
2 really powerful hurricanes out of the Gulf and the 3rd is
headed off shore. The Arctic Ice is diminishing, the California
glaciers are evaporating, the Oceans are getting full of Carbon
Dioxide which makes it harder for fish and shellfish to survive.
The CO2 in the Oceans will reduce the amount of food we can take
from it meantime the water going mammals that need that food
are suffering from the warm water moving the food they need away.

Clinton by the way was a capitalist whose agreement to
the greed of the financiers led him to repeal the laws that
kept them in check and in 2008 the chickens came home to roost
with the worst recession since WW II.

The Republicans want to maintain the American Empire but
the people that benefit from the AE, businessmen by and large.
don't want to pay taxes. Not having adequate tax revenues took
down the Japanese Empire in 500-1185 CD as taxes were remitted
on estates signed over to the Buddhist churches/temples.
Everyone who decided they needed tax breaks signed their
estates to the temples and the enjoyed the revenues for the rest
of their lives.
In 1185 the Samurai took over the nation and it was called
the first Shogunate, the bafuku or tent government run by
Minamoto Yoritomo, he got paranoid and eventually killed all his
close relatives. Other people took control and ran the Shogunate
into the ground and ended up with a 100 year stuggle between the
Warlords over who would become the next shogun. About 1600 CE
the Tokugawa Ieyasu won the fight and his shogunate lasted until
the 1860s. I.e. his family ruled for 260 years or so.
The funny thing was that the warriors were on top with the
artisans, peasants(serfs) and the merchants were considered a
parasitical class as they only bought and sold. It was not long
until the merchants were the richest class in Japan and the
samurai and the government were in debt to them. They never
thought to tax the merchants based on income and the merchants
provided the money for the big land holders who overthrew the
Shogunate.

Now if we continue to fail to tax the people who profit
by the American Empire we will be lucky to end up with a military
dictatorship or corporate fuedalism.

bliss
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D.R. Strange
2017-09-23 15:09:59 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Note that the abject idiot in the WH fails to believe
in Global Warming.
Here's a clue, Blobbie, for the GLOBE to warm you have to have BOTH
hemisphere's warming, but:

https://sunshinehours.net/2012/09/29/hadsst2-southern-hemisphere-aug-2012-cooling-for-15-years/

SST in the southern hemisphere have a cooling trend of -0.068C /
decade.over the last 15 years.


'nuff said!
Bobbie Sellers
2017-09-23 15:41:58 UTC
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Post by D.R. Strange
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Note that the abject idiot in the WH fails to believe
in Global Warming.
Here's a clue, Blobbie, for the GLOBE to warm you have to have BOTH
https://sunshinehours.net/2012/09/29/hadsst2-southern-hemisphere-aug-2012-cooling-for-15-years/
SST in the southern hemisphere have a cooling trend of -0.068C /
decade.over the last 15 years.
'nuff said!
Antarctic Ice both on land and sea negates that bad science.
Ice is breaking up earlier on sea and glaciers moving faster on land no
wonder, the temperature is lower to the South.
The ice is melting.
Check the South Pacific water temperature, Oh thats right that is an
effort underway right now as the temperature measurement drones are
being deployed.
How are the South American glaciers doing?
Well they are melting as well and have lost lots of ice in the
past years as the rotten nescience you mention has been measuring
temperatures.
<https://thinkprogress.org/study-south-american-glaciers-in-historic-retreat-35b73a6cb75d/>
This is my final posting on this and I have removed the group
where I find it from the list.

Trolls should not be fed but their erroneous views must
not stand unchallenged.

bliss
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D.R. Strange
2017-09-23 15:53:57 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Note that the abject idiot in the WH fails to believe
in Global Warming.
Here's a clue, Blobbie, for the GLOBE to warm you have to have BOTH
https://sunshinehours.net/2012/09/29/hadsst2-southern-hemisphere-aug-2012-cooling-for-15-years/
SST in the southern hemisphere have a cooling trend of -0.068C /
decade.over the last 15 years.
'nuff said!
    Antarctic Ice both on land and sea negates that bad science.
Temperature measurement is not 'bad science', chicken little.
    Ice is breaking up earlier on sea and glaciers moving faster
And yet somehow the entire southern hemisphere is cooling!

https://motls.blogspot.com/2006/09/southern-hemisphere-ignores-global.html

Spencer and Christy have updated their tools to calculate the
tropospheric temperatures between 1979 and the present era from their
and NASA's satellite data to a new version 6.0 beta (readme file).
Update: they would return to v5.2 in December 2006. The three graphs
above show the global average, the Northern Hemisphere, and the Southern
Hemisphere. This upgrade is also discussed by Steve McIntyre.

If you look at the third graph, you see that there was no warming on the
Southern Hemisphere in the last 25 years even though the "global warming
theory" and the corresponding models are predicting even faster rise of
the tropospheric temperatures than for the surface temperatures. The
decadal trend is quantitatively around 0.05 degrees which is noise whose
sign can change almost instantly.



Normally, I would think that one should conclude that according to the
observations, there is no discernible recent warming on the Southern
Hemisphere, and an experimental refutation of a far-reaching hypothesis
by a whole hemisphere is a good enough reason to avoid the adjective
"global" for the observed warming.

Of course, the proponents of the "global warming theory" will use a
different logic. The troposphere of the Southern Hemisphere is bribed by
the evil oil corporations, and even if it were not, the data from the
Southern Hemisphere can't diminish the perfect consensus of all the
hemispheres of our blue planet: the debate is over. All the hemispheres
of our planet decide equally about the catastrophic global warming,
especially the Northern Hemisphere that shows that the warming is truly
global and truly cataclysmic. Be worried, be very worried. ;-)


https://www.decodedscience.org/antarctic-sea-ice-increasing-fit-global-warming/53232

While the Arctic ice has responded to global warming with even more
rapid melting than predicted, Antarctica is responding to the planet
warming in a less intuitive way.

Although there are regions of Antarctica (such as the Antarctic
Peninsula) that have seen significant warming and sharp declines in sea
ice cover, overall the Antarctic has actually experienced a mild
increase in sea ice area over the same 33-year period.

http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/04/there-has-been-no-man-made-global-warming-in-the-southern-hemisphere-equatorial-regions/

To measure the historical temperature record for the bottom half of the
planet, then, scientists use proxy evidence from such sources as ice
cores or alkenones to reconstruct past climates. When they do that, a
common theme emerges. The proxy evidence used in temperature
reconstructions suggests that there has been no significant changes in
temperature from Antarctica to the regions near or just above the
equator in the last few centuries. In other words, half the globe has
not been following along with the anthropogenic “global” warming narrative.

Listed below are about 3 dozen graphical reconstructions indicating no
obvious warming trend during the last few hundred years of assumed
anthropogenic influence on surface temperatures.




DEAL WITH REALITY, YA GREAT JIGGLING BLOB:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/#4be39c54dcf5

Around 1250 A.D., historical records show, ice packs began showing up
farther south in the North Atlantic. Glaciers also began expanding on
Greenland, soon to threaten Norse settlements on the island. From 1275
to 1300 A.D., glaciers began expanding more broadly, according to
radiocarbon dating of plants killed by the glacier growth. The period
known today as the Little Ice Age was just starting to poke through.

Summers began cooling in Northern Europe after 1300 A.D., negatively
impacting growing seasons, as reflected in the Great Famine of 1315 to
1317. Expanding glaciers and ice cover spreading across Greenland began
driving the Norse settlers out. The last, surviving, written records of
the Norse Greenland settlements, which had persisted for centuries,
concern a marriage in 1408 A.D. in the church of Hvalsey, today the best
preserved Norse ruin.

Colder winters began regularly freezing rivers and canals in Great
Britain, the Netherlands and Northern France, with both the Thames in
London and the Seine in Paris frozen solid annually. The first River
Thames Frost Fair was held in 1607. In 1607-1608, early European
settlers in North America reported ice persisting on Lake Superior until
June. In January, 1658, a Swedish army marched across the ice to invade
Copenhagen. By the end of the 17th century, famines had spread from
northern France, across Norway and Sweden, to Finland and Estonia.


Reflecting its global scope, evidence of the Little Ice Age appears in
the Southern Hemisphere as well. Sediment cores from Lake Malawi in
southern Africa show colder weather from 1570 to 1820. A 3,000 year
temperature reconstruction based on varying rates of stalagmite growth
in a cave in South Africa also indicates a colder period from 1500 to
1800. A 1997 study comparing West Antarctic ice cores with the results
of the Greenland Ice Sheet Project Two (GISP2) indicate a global Little
Ice Age affecting the two ice sheets in tandem.

The Siple Dome, an ice dome roughly 100 km long and 100 km wide, about
100 km east of the Siple Coast of Antartica, also reflects effects of
the Little Ice Age synchronously with the GISP2 record, as do sediment
cores from the Bransfield Basin of the Antarctic Peninsula.
Oxygen/isotope analysis from the Pacific Islands indicates a 1.5 degree
Celsius temperature decline between 1270 and 1475 A.D.

The Franz Josef glacier on the west side of the Southern Alps of New
Zealand advanced sharply during the period of the Little Ice Age,
actually invading a rain forest at its maximum extent in the early
1700s. The Mueller glacier on the east side of New Zealand’s Southern
Alps expanded to its maximum extent at roughly the same time.

Ice cores from the Andeas mountains in South America show a colder
period from 1600 to 1800. Tree ring data from Patagonia in South America
show cold periods from 1270 to 1380 and from 1520 to 1670. Spanish
explorers noted the expansion of the San Rafael Glacier in Chile from
1675 to 1766, which continued into the 19th century.

The height of the Little Ice Age is generally dated as 1650 to 1850 A.D.
The American Revolutionary Army under General George Washington shivered
at Valley Forge in the winter of 1777-78, and New York harbor was frozen
in the winter of 1780. Historic snowstorms struck Lisbon, Portugal in
1665, 1744 and 1886. Glaciers in Glacier National Park in Montana
advanced until the late 18th or early 19th centuries. The last River
Thames Frost Fair was held in 1814. The Little Ice Age phased out during
the middle to late 19th century.

The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the
Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been
attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots. A
period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began
in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a
period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to
1550 known as the Sporer Minimum. During the period 1645 to 1715, the
low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero
for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after
English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton
Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot
activity.

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just
reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends
since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature
cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic
Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder
water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a
slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that
water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global
temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the
Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915
until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The
change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main
reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s,
despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar
industrialization spreading across the globe.

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the
late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global
temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years
ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not
actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this
period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added
roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and
2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since
1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2
greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of
global temperature changes.

At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean
cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has
developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles,
with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of
sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after
flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle,
sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA’s Science News report for January
8, 2013 states,

“Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right
now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is
the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial)
evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength
of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar
Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic
fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be
formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and
surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.”

That is even more significant because NASA’s climate science has been
controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who
recently announced his retirement.

But this same concern is increasingly being echoed worldwide. The Voice
of Russia reported on April 22, 2013,

“Global warming which has been the subject of so many discussions in
recent years, may give way to global cooling. According to scientists
from the Pulkovo Observatory in St.Petersburg, solar activity is waning,
so the average yearly temperature will begin to decline as well.
Scientists from Britain and the US chime in saying that forecasts for
global cooling are far from groundless.”

That report quoted Yuri Nagovitsyn of the Pulkovo Observatory saying,
“Evidently, solar activity is on the decrease. The 11-year cycle doesn’t
bring about considerable climate change – only 1-2%. The impact of the
200-year cycle is greater – up to 50%. In this respect, we could be in
for a cooling period that lasts 200-250 years.” In other words, another
Little Ice Age.

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